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GreenMetalSun posted:why do none of the female characters have names? Ah, I see your mistake. It's because they're not characters, they're sexy lamps.
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GreenMetalSun posted:Wasn't there already a comic that established that it's relatively easy to make/scavenge clothing in the Wild Edge? Like there are trees that grow leather leaves or something? Snout could have at least tried to get something for Corpse Bride to wear (why do none of the female character have names?) to protect her from the elements. Not only did Snout make his second outfit from leaves, he made it out of leaves from the very tree that the two are currently standing under. https://www.dominic-deegan.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/3243_20190909.jpg TheHan fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Oct 16, 2020 |
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TheHan posted:Not only did Snout make his second outfit from leaves, he made it out of leaves from the very tree that the two are currently standing under. Is it ok to admit he HAS actually improved, art-wise, since this new comic started? I mean, it's still not GOOD in a ton of fundamental ways, but the recent stuff has more detail and is more consistent, comparatively.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Is it ok to admit he HAS actually improved, art-wise, since this new comic started? I mean, it's still not GOOD in a ton of fundamental ways, but the recent stuff has more detail and is more consistent, comparatively. That's the switch to digital though. And while Snout was more lumpy before, he certainly had more personality than the anime catboy he has become.
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Not having to squeeze everything onto 8.5x11 paper probably helps, but he’s also tracing more now, which probably helps in adding detail. Edit: The Little Death posted:That's the switch to digital though. Almost every page now Mookie draws Snout making this loving face: 8< I swear he must be fishing for “UwU smol bean Snout” comments at this point. TheHan fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Oct 16, 2020 |
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With him increasingly defending and admitting to tracing, the increased quality can also likely be attributed to him using heavy references or just outright tracing at least parts of some recent updates.
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Agent Rush posted:I read through the old mock thread, and was even in one of the first drinking streams. I'm not sure how to feel about not remembering this at all. Same here. I read along in the first couple of incarnations of the bad webcomics thread, and I still have a ton of blank spots in my memory of it outside of some of the most heinous poo poo.
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Agent Rush posted:I read through the old mock thread, and was even in one of the first drinking streams. I'm not sure how to feel about not remembering this at all. Regalingualius posted:Same here. I read along in the first couple of incarnations of the bad webcomics thread, and I still have a ton of blank spots in my memory of it outside of some of the most heinous poo poo.  Dominic Deegan: There's Always More, and it's Always Worse
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TheHan posted:Not only did Snout make his second outfit from leaves, he made it out of leaves from the very tree that the two are currently standing under. He probably will make her clothes in the next few strips, now that he's had the requisite naked-time. It'll be a much skimpier one-piece affair compared to his and she will comedically fail to understand how to wear it, either putting it on upside down, attempting to eat it or tearing it to pieces. Alternatively, he might make a more modest and practical set of clothes, which she will then hulk-shred into something skimpier, thus absolving snout of any desire to sexualize her but also ensuring that she's dressed in as little as possible.
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Miss posted:cameras exist in DD? or she got somebody to paint a bunch of her nudes?? It really feels like DD takes place somewhere in the late 90s, just they don't have mass media outside of... fukken, magic crystal ball sitcoms or whatever he's gonna pull out. People are straight up dressed in loving T-Shirts and football is a popular spectator sport with people from teams known across the country somehow. It's just late 90s/early 2000s with magic. It's some of the worst worldbuilding I've seen in a long time.
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Miss posted:cameras exist in DD? or she got somebody to paint a bunch of her nudes?? Electric guitars exist, as do superhero comic books. While I don't remember anyone using a camera on-panel specifically, as people are saying, there are more than 3,000 strips of Deegan Unfiltered, so some just slip through the cracks. Even if no one does it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone had an irate demon in a box that paints pictures in a fashion indistinguishable from a polaroid camera, like in "The Color of Magic" or some similar thing to flatten Mookie's fantasy world every time he has the opportunity to do the tiniest amount of worldbuilding and completely shits his pants. FlocksOfMice posted:It really feels like DD takes place somewhere in the late 90s, just they don't have mass media outside of... fukken, magic crystal ball sitcoms or whatever he's gonna pull out. Mass media does exist. They have comic books, newspapers, an a music industry that functions exactly like the contemporary real life one. Whenever you're not sure what Mookie does for thing x, assume he did however it worked in real life in the early 2000s, and you will be correct.
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Invisible Clergy posted:Electric guitars exist, as do superhero comic books. While I don't remember anyone using a camera on-panel specifically, as people are saying, there are more than 3,000 strips of Deegan Unfiltered, so some just slip through the cracks. Even if no one does it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone had an irate demon in a box that paints pictures in a fashion indistinguishable from a polaroid camera, like in "The Color of Magic" or some similar thing to flatten Mookie's fantasy world every time he has the opportunity to do the tiniest amount of worldbuilding and completely shits his pants. Okay, so correction: it is exactly like the year 2000, only the actual way mass media is conveyed to everyone happens offscreen, which I'm assuming means everyone just has a computer hidden in the corner of their room that they're all under a geis to not talk about. I once read a self-insert fanfiction where the author got bored and clearly started playing monster girl porn games irl, and suddenly the world was full of rapey monster girls and he tried to pass it off as worldbuilding (except for the week where he played Metro 2033 so his self-insert found a hidden underground russian bunker full of ghosts and survival gameplay elements), and honestly, even THAT was more well-thought-out than Dominic Deegan's "What if real life were more like Dungeons and Dragons, but the Dragons part is Dragon Ball Z?" This comic is like, one step of self-awareness away from being a parody of early 00s webcomics. He's so close. All he really ever needed was an arc where someone not infected by the Mary Sue parasite shows up, reveals how much of a poo poo Dominic actually is, and has a scene where he goes "What, you thought all these things were positive traits? What's wrong with you?" and he'd have set up an amazing honeytrap to draw in and criticize a whole bunch of the worst kinds of nerds. I think that's what really gets me about this.
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At the end of the old comic, Deegan got a vision of the humans having a tech renaissance now that magic went to the orcs. What their tech was like during Deegan seems wildly inconsistent from strip to strip, and then there's the existence of this new type of Witch even though it should be the orcs who've had the magic for years now. MOOKIE 
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FlocksOfMice posted:Okay, so correction: it is exactly like the year 2000, only the actual way mass media is conveyed to everyone happens offscreen, which I'm assuming means everyone just has a computer hidden in the corner of their room that they're all under a geis to not talk about. quote:I once read a self-insert fanfiction where the author got bored and clearly started playing monster girl porn games irl, and suddenly the world was full of rapey monster girls and he tried to pass it off as worldbuilding (except for the week where he played Metro 2033 so his self-insert found a hidden underground russian bunker full of ghosts and survival gameplay elements), and honestly, even THAT was more well-thought-out than Dominic Deegan's "What if real life were more like Dungeons and Dragons, but the Dragons part is Dragon Ball Z?" quote:This comic is like, one step of self-awareness away from being a parody of early 00s webcomics. He's so close. All he really ever needed was an arc where someone not infected by the Mary Sue parasite shows up, reveals how much of a poo poo Dominic actually is, and has a scene where he goes "What, you thought all these things were positive traits? What's wrong with you?" and he'd have set up an amazing honeytrap to draw in and criticize a whole bunch of the worst kinds of nerds. I think that's what really gets me about this. super sweet best pal posted:At the end of the old comic, Deegan got a vision of the humans having a tech renaissance now that magic went to the orcs. What their tech was like during Deegan seems wildly inconsistent from strip to strip, and then there's the existence of this new type of Witch even though it should be the orcs who've had the magic for years now. MOOKIE If anything actually happened or would ever happen in Legacy, I'd say that I think humans and orcs can interbreed in Deeganland. I think the bassist for Facebath! was a half-orc and is the only one we ever see. Yes, he has one tusk instead of two, har har. He wasn't born that way, though. He either lost the tusk from headbanging in a mosh pit too hard, or a racist human hate crimed him in the mouth and knocked it out. The above suicidal depression that is stored in the teeth and injected into the body like bee venom when the teeth are removed are why he didn't yank the other one for a more symmetrical look. So it's possible that inkwich is 1/16th orc and put it on all her scholarship applications, but to the naked eye appears human. Going way back to the beginning of this comic, I theorized inkwich was a descendent born from one of Luna's dragon magic-infused eggs and could've possibly been grown inside an orcish womb after the magic passed to orcs, so this is how her family line has magic. But that wouldn't explain why the evil inkwich can also do magic, so who the hell knows anymore. Invisible Clergy fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Oct 16, 2020 |
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TheHan posted:
Fixed it. Evrart Claire fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Oct 16, 2020 |
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What did you change in the image? It looks the same to me.
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Invisible Clergy posted:What did you change in the image? It looks the same to me.
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Invisible Clergy posted:Hey, you're right! What kind of poo poo is that? All his terrible characters may look alike, but I can at least tell inkwich isn't an orc. She doesn't have the tusks, which cannot be removed or the orc will be filled with a gradually mounting depression until they kill themselves. If I were to give Mookie the benefit of the doubt I’d be willing to accept a rudimentary level of magic still extant in humans, but the ink magic seems really advanced. If keeping magic under human control wasn’t at the core of evil king Dave’s plan I don’t think I’d be having half as much of an issue with it. Some world building about what happened in the last two hundred years would have been nice - you know, the kind of thing you’d expect from a sequel comic with Legacy right in the title - but Mookie has spent the last fifteen months faffing around the Mild Edge with very little explanation of anything at all, much less what’s happened to the parts of the world we actually knew about.
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Invisible Clergy posted:Electric guitars exist, as do superhero comic books. While I don't remember anyone using a camera on-panel specifically, as people are saying, there are more than 3,000 strips of Deegan Unfiltered, so some just slip through the cracks. Even if no one does it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone had an irate demon in a box that paints pictures in a fashion indistinguishable from a polaroid camera, like in "The Color of Magic" or some similar thing to flatten Mookie's fantasy world every time he has the opportunity to do the tiniest amount of worldbuilding and completely shits his pants. Considering how popular it was at one time, it's weird that he never released a 'Guide to My Fantasy World' or something like that, for people to set D&D games in. Is there even a map?
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super sweet best pal posted:If I were to give Mookie the benefit of the doubt I’d be willing to accept a rudimentary level of magic still extant in humans, but the ink magic seems really advanced. If keeping magic under human control wasn’t at the core of evil king Dave’s plan I don’t think I’d be having half as much of an issue with it. Some world building about what happened in the last two hundred years would have been nice - you know, the kind of thing you’d expect from a sequel comic with Legacy right in the title - but Mookie has spent the last fifteen months faffing around the Mild Edge with very little explanation of anything at all, much less what’s happened to the parts of the world we actually knew about. I would too, honestly. Humans can go from the wright brothers to the moon in 66 years; I'm sure even Mookie's version could figure out how to regain a diminished form of final fantasy magic in 200 years, but he has to talk about that. He can't just have a human doing magic without us getting to complain about it. EDIT: GreenMetalSun posted:Considering how popular it was at one time, it's weird that he never released a 'Guide to My Fantasy World' or something like that, for people to set D&D games in. Is there even a map? Speaking as someone who designs and writes ttrpgs for a living, doing that is a lot of  and Mookie is both too inept and too lazy to do it, even badly or using an established system like D&D's OGL. I think there's a map at some point in the honeymoon arc. It looks exactly like you'd expect it to.
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super sweet best pal posted:If keeping magic under human control wasn’t at the core of evil king Dave’s plan I don’t think I’d be having half as much of an issue with it. "King who?" ~ Mookie, 2020
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King Dave. Funky Dave. King Dave (King Dave) Now when he was a young man, He never thought he'd see People stand in line to see the blind king. (King Dave) How'd he get so crazy? (Funky Dave) Looks like Patrick Swayze! Born in downtown Barthis, Moonlights in Erossus (King Dave). (King Dave) Now, if I'd known They'd be tricked by that Serk Berkis I'd forget the election And throw them all a circus (King Dave) Mage of the Fifth Circle (Funky Dave) Wears a cape that's purple! Born in downtown Barthis, Moonlights in Erossus (King Dave) Tricked the other mages (Clever Dave) Prone to random rages, (Angry Dave) His kingdom's in the East (Rulin' Dave) He got eaten by the Beast Now, when I die, Don't put me in no grave, Just feed me to Shuma Gorath, That's just like ole king Dave. (King Dave) He coulda been immmortal Got sucked into a portal Born in downtown Barthis, moonlights in Erossos King Dave *Yes, I know it's "Brakkis," not Berkis, but Mookie's terrible fantasy names are impossible to rhyme.
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GreenMetalSun posted:Considering how popular it was at one time, it's weird that he never released a 'Guide to My Fantasy World' or something like that, for people to set D&D games in. Is there even a map? I seem to recall one of Mookie's old lines being about how he doesn't like mapping out Deeganland because he doesn't like lame things like "spatial reasoning" getting in the way of his storytelling. It's why the Wild Edge, an area that was originally a fairly small plain densely populated with wild animals, is now the size of a continent and has over a dozen different ecological zones. And also it's now completely devoid of wildlife.
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TheHan posted:I seem to recall one of Mookie's old lines being about how he doesn't like mapping out Deeganland because he doesn't like lame things like "spatial reasoning" getting in the way of his storytelling. It's why the Wild Edge, an area that was originally a fairly small plain densely populated with wild animals, is now the size of a continent and has over a dozen different ecological zones. And also it's now completely devoid of wildlife. But his characters just teleport whenever they need to get anywhere. What's it matter?
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Invisible Clergy posted:But his characters just teleport whenever they need to get anywhere. What's it matter? But sometimes they take llloonng airship rides around the world, and you can't have readers asking questions like "How long did this trip take?" "Where are these countries in relation to eachother?" or "This is all wildly unoriginal". Really though I just think Mookie knows deep down that he's a hack and didn't want to admit to himself that he can't draw maps or build a world.
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TheHan posted:But sometimes they take llloonng airship rides around the world, and you can't have readers asking questions like "How long did this trip take?" "Where are these countries in relation to eachother?" or "This is all wildly unoriginal". That is also true.
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Honestly, I wouldn’t have necessarily minded the schizophrenic “medieval-ish urban fantasy with tons of modern trappings” setting of DD if it had actually been acknowledged in the comic, and maybe even became plot relevant. Like back when we were discussing fantasy gentrification during the arc where Dominic moves back in with his mom, maybe it could have been explained that he was sent to the starting town in a well-meaning but misguided attempted outreach from the modernistic cities to keep more rural areas from being left behind in the dust by their advances in magic and technology. And if Mookie had been the type to plan ahead in the long term, that also could have been the setup for stuff that happens at the end, like revealing that King Dave had deliberately set everything up so that the vast majority of magic users were all concentrated in a few cities to make it that much easier to kill them all and claim their raw power for himself when it came time to finally enact his grand plan.
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GreenMetalSun posted:Considering how popular it was at one time, it's weird that he never released a 'Guide to My Fantasy World' or something like that, for people to set D&D games in. Is there even a map? I'm pretty sure he wrote at some point that he didn't want to make a map because he didn't want to be shackled by consistency. With no map, everything is as close or as far as the plot needs, that's much better.
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When I was in like 6th grade we had to write an assignement that was a journal from the initial settlement of Canada. Putting aside the obvious whitewashed, eurocentric version of history this was teaching us, one of the things we did afterwards was read each other's work and critique it. One kid, that I read, said that he flew over when he came to settle. I remember thinking he must have meant it as a joke, but as I challenged him on it, but he was totally unable to conceive of a world without plane travel. It just didn't occur to him that that was possible. No, that kid was 11, so I'm sure he's grown out of that. But Mookie is the same thing. His setting isn't actually him including anachronisms as a joke or a lack of creativity, I don't think he knows enough about history to conceive of a world without jocks or cameras or newspapers. Mookie suffers such an utter lack of imagination. His stories are all immediately reflective of media he consumes (obviously) and his own petty dramas. He can't conceive of things outside of those narrow windows. He's like imaginatively malnourished or something. FlocksOfMice posted:Please tell me the ultimate main badguy of Dominic Deegan is named King Dave.  He's the coolest. Except for inexplicably being super evil all of a sudden, he's definitely a cooler character than any of the Deegan clan. He earned his poo poo. Beelzebufo fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Oct 16, 2020 |
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I like that the comic treats King Dave being evil as if it's some huge revelation when we learn he exists and is evil in the same breath. Meanwhile for the past 10 years all we've learned about Callan is that they're the most cartoonishly evil dogshit kingdom in all the land. Everyone from the generals down to the accountants is a supervillain, were we supposed to assume they served King Friday?
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Regalingualius posted:Honestly, I wouldn’t have necessarily minded the schizophrenic “medieval-ish urban fantasy with tons of modern trappings” setting of DD if it had actually been acknowledged in the comic, and maybe even became plot relevant. If it had been intentional, sure, but we know it wasn't. Intent requires planning, and nothing Mookie does is planned. Mookie is the most frustratingly reactive writer I've ever seen. "Things" only happened in Legacy of a Decade Long Wet Fart because Mookie was reacting to someone on Twitter; and even that just resulted in a soft reset where we got reintroduced to the same character* (with stigmata instead of the stigma of abuse) and told not to notice. * "A woman of mysterious origin who is initially unable to communicate and needs** Snout's help** to survive in the hostile** environment of the Wild Edge" ** (citation needed)
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Regalingualius posted:Honestly, I wouldn’t have necessarily minded the schizophrenic “medieval-ish urban fantasy with tons of modern trappings” setting of DD if it had actually been acknowledged in the comic, and maybe even became plot relevant. Lots of settings do this and do it well, I'd probably point out Discworld as one of them. Ebberon has trains, printing presses, and artificial flight. Some of the M:tG planes have very modernish tech. It can definitely be done, it's just Mookie's world is so poorly realized.
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I think I said it in this thread, but most of the time in those cases you have medieval or renaissance or early modern societies with certain elements - most commonly language, gender norms, and moral values - of modern culture projected onto them. Your average DnD setting is a vaguely medieval world where the civilized folks have social and cultural values more or less equivalent to modern Westerners. Deegan is kind of the opposite. It's the modern world but with the aesthetics of a vague medieval one planted onto it. This could be interesting if done well, but of course it's not. EDIT: To put it another way, your average fantasy setting is anachronistic. Deeganverse isn't. It's just America circa 200X with everyone dressing up like medieval people, except when they don't even bother to do that.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:EDIT: To put it another way, your average fantasy setting is anachronistic. Deeganverse isn't. It's just America circa 200X with everyone dressing up like medieval people, except when they don't even bother to do that. Yeah from strip 1 there's a ton of people essentially just wearing what look like jeans + tshirts.
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Wait, at the end of DD, all of the magic went to the orcs? Apparently I've forgotten most of the ending.
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I don't blame you. It's essentially a footnote. It's not like humans lose their magic at the beginning of the final arc and we have to see the consequences for them trying to adapt from a society that was wholly reliant on it. After Mookie kills the boss, I think he just depletes all his mana and we have like 5-10 strips of epilogue. I think it's just human magic that passes to orcs. Presumably members of birdhair and praying mantis's species along with pixies and demons and such still have their magic.
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