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Paying a podcaster enough via patreon that they can do it full time and produce more episodes makes it easier for me to do my actual job. It gives me something else to listen to for staving off the boredom of a job where an mp3 player is fine but youtube is not. So I'm very grateful that they don't "have a real job", otherwise my "real job" would be much worse. I also usually don't get surprise racism ruining a series the way I do with my other listening option, classic sci-fi and fantasy from audible.
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Seriously, I've seen similar inane freakouts over the idea of paid Dungeon Mastering. Like if you provide entertainment, can provide better quality entertainment if you have the capital to justify focusing on it more, and people are happy to give you money then why should anyone care? If they're taking advantage of their dedicated fans to cultivate some abusive cult of personality or exploit them in some other awful way, then sure they can gently caress off. But if a decent person can use the income to justify putting out more decent things for other people to enjoy that's a better life than most of us have anyway and I don't see a reason to stop that unless you really want to be a bitter crab in a bucket.
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I never really thought of paid GMings as normal just because I only play with people who are already close friends. So we generally pitch in to buy any equipment someone in the group might need. But if I was DMing for more distant people, I'd sure as hell demand people help pay for stuff. On the TTRPG front though being subscribed to map makers on patreon has made GMings way way easier. Instead of scouring reddit for stuff of mediocre quality or buying each and everything off drivethruRPG I can get it all in a big RSS feed. Czepeku in particular are excellent. Whole bunch of variants on everything to make any given map more likely to be applicable to a given locale or plot point.
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Oct 16, 2020 04:09
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Leal posted:I called slowbeef a sellout directly to him, I already said my piece there. Don't you worry. selling out to who
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Oct 16, 2020 04:16
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Leal posted:
sorry to pick and pull at your post but is your problem that people are fostering communities that do not respect the game that they are playing appropriately and instead are paying to support the person who is playing the game because they like their personality?? do you get mad when bands hold concerts or authors sign books or artists do conventions.
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Oct 16, 2020 04:25
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Kim Justice posted:TBH there's no reason to CURRENT YEAR this either. It's a perfectly correct thing to do no matter what, has been for years. Many years. Hell, I can think of a certain Tool song from the 90's with a problematic title that I'm itching to post, for it still sums up arseholes like Leal perfectly. i mean sure but leal's sentiment is particularly loving ghoulish given it's COVID times
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Nuns with Guns posted:paid Dungeon Mastering e; Also Leal I read your post and I'm not picking and choosing bits of it when I say you're very preoccupied with how other people monetize their hobbies. And that no one cares. Hell personally I would never monetize anything I do because my hobby becoming the thing I have to do for a living sounds awful. But that's just a personal choice. Gwen fucked around with this message at 04:55 on Oct 16, 2020 |
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Terrible Opinions posted:I never really thought of paid GMings as normal just because I only play with people who are already close friends. So we generally pitch in to buy any equipment someone in the group might need. But if I was DMing for more distant people, I'd sure as hell demand people help pay for stuff. That'd sound pretty normal to me, too. And it really is amazing that Patreon and Kickstarter have been the first time a significant number of people can sort of monetize tabletop rpg writing and design aspects without financially ruining themselves. It's done a ton of good for getting independent talent out there and especially disadvantaged creators who could never produce much otherwise. It sucks they have to be dependant on those models now, but it's a step above not being able to enter the space at all. BFC posted:Honestly hats off to anyone who feels confident enough in GMing to charge money for it. Wish I had that kind of confidence. Right? I certainly couldn't but like if you're that good or the people paying for it are happy then I certainly have no room to complain.
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Mraagvpeine posted:Hypothetically, if an LPer with a Patreon suddenly cancels an LP (and there are plenty of examples of LPs being cancelled in these forums), would the Patrons who contributed because of that LP feel like they got ripped off? Ask Proton Jon.
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Nuns with Guns posted:Seriously, I've seen similar inane freakouts over the idea of paid Dungeon Mastering. Like if you provide entertainment, can provide better quality entertainment if you have the capital to justify focusing on it more, and people are happy to give you money then why should anyone care? If they're taking advantage of their dedicated fans to cultivate some abusive cult of personality or exploit them in some other awful way, then sure they can gently caress off. But if a decent person can use the income to justify putting out more decent things for other people to enjoy that's a better life than most of us have anyway and I don't see a reason to stop that unless you really want to be a bitter crab in a bucket. It always baffles me that folks seem to get most upset over people asking for money for the stuff that is the most optional stuff. I mean, I guess I could see being judgmental at what "useless" things people spend money for, maybe, but why be angry at the creators? Like shouldn't we be angry that in order to not starve to death we need to pay money? There's no choice there, it's pay or die. Same with health care (for the uninsured in the US), shelter, clean water etc. Shouldn't that be the thing we're mad at, not if someone wants to optionally pay a guy to entertain them and their friends for one night a week? Why should we ever be mad that the most optional things in life name their price and benefit the creator? Like, the only corner case I can see here is when entertainment and artist support cross into exploiting parasocial relationships or addiction but otherwise, more power to the creator. It's almost like media conglomerates profiting off of creators are happy to maintain a constant trope in media to portray artists demanding money as selling out and therefore bad, keeping an endless pool of underpaid entertainment for them to make more money from. Funny that.
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tbh most "real jobs" are significantly more worthless than making LPs. Google exists to sell marketing information that is basically just superstition and astrology in terms of what it actually does for increasing sales. Same for the overwhelming majority of tech companies. Like you gotta put bread on the table but most computer toucher jobs are working toward a fundamentally worthless end. Even if you are doing real effort to achieve the worthless result.
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Leal posted:I called slowbeef a sellout directly to him, I already said my piece there. Don't you worry. This is an outrageously lovely thing for you to have done, and I hope you understand that.
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Leal posted:I called slowbeef a sellout directly to him, I already said my piece there. Don't you worry. Ok E: glad everyone called you a dumbass. Cuz goddamn you are loving stupid lol
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Aaaaanywho, Slowbeef seems like a really cool and humble dude. He's cool in my book 
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Oct 16, 2020 07:08
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Jamie Faith posted:Aaaaanywho, Slowbeef seems like a really cool and humble dude. He's cool Forever grateful for the efforts he put into getting snatcher translated
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CYBEReris posted:if you don't like the performance you don't have to throw a coin in the accordion player's tip hat I can't believe accordion player sold out like that.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Ok Completely apropos of nothing, hot drat am I glad I'm no longer of an LP mod.
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Shola taking shots at Brad seemed bitter to me (and linking it to Trump is a huge leap), though I have no problem with anything else she quite rightly brought up. And this is not really a defence of Brad but I don't think that many people watched Bon Apetit to replicate recipes or to learn something. A whole lot of people are there to be entertained. It's Alive was some little thing that Brad did and it became really popular. Is it really that hard to believe that his kitchen chaos is a lot more identifiable to people watching than say, Chris' professionalism?
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nine-gear crow posted:Completely apropos of nothing, hot drat am I glad I'm no longer of an LP mod. Really? I woulda used those powers to redtext and mock the gently caress out of Leal for that nonsense. Give them a badge of shame they couldn't get rid of without paying Lowtax and looking worse. Seriously Leal, what you're saying is not just stupid it's morally loving gutless. You entitled little loving grub.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Forever grateful for the efforts he put into getting snatcher translated Snatcher was translated. It even had a hilarious dub. Are you thinking of Policenauts?
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Yhara Zayd- "A Monstress Comes of Age: Horror & Girlhood" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkUbP2KVVl8 Jose- "Yo Holmes to Bel Air, A Retrospective of The Fresh Prince of Bel Air" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaLT_91UnRE
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ngl, from the side of someone who actually like made lp content once upon a time, I could not bring myself to ever be paid for it. Sure, I put in a shitload of time and cared a ton about the quality and all that, but like, nobody should be subjected to the trash I put out. I feel enough guilt right now knowing that people watched that stuff for free. Obvs not to like defend leal or anything, or say it's a universal experience, but just kinda looking back on it and goddamn is it frustrating. I wouldn't wish making stuff on anyone really, even if it's stuff they enjoy.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:who gives a gently caress
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fun hater posted:selling out to who Ummm ever heard of a little thing called THE MAN???
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For those who are into the How to Cook That debunking videos there is another one up where Anne also goes over a Google shitfight with the Australian Government. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgHbBUnNfl8
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I was going to write a big post about why some people do care very much about internet patreon accounts and artistic endeavors, as well as its relation to really lovely community mentalities generally forged in 4chan and 4chan adjacent places but afte reading the past few pages to catch up I'll just leave it at:The REAL Goobusters posted:who gives a gently caress Jamie Faith posted:Aaaaanywho, Slowbeef seems like a really cool and humble dude. He's cool in my book Slowbeef made some of my favorite content on this site and I still love his and Diabeetus' Dead to Rights and Metroid Prime LPs, and that poo poo isn't going to really go away anywhere, however dated it is. And I'm glad they seem to have just moved on with their lives to focus more on family and career or whatever. Completely unrelated but I've just been watching yu-gi-oh youtubers all day and I still don't know what the hell the difference between "OCG" and "TCG" are.
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Nuebot posted:Completely unrelated but I've just been watching yu-gi-oh youtubers all day and I still don't know what the hell the difference between "OCG" and "TCG" are. OCG is basically the Japanese format while TCG is North American/European format. Different card pools/ban lists between the two.
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The OCG is the Japanese game while the TCG is the international version. Either of them can have exclusive cards that the other does not have (yet) which means they need separate banlists. Also sometimes they rule differently on interactions between the same goddamn cards for some reason.
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I like some of the videos where Slowbeef and Diabetus mock a game rather than the person playing it.
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I love their videos for the first theee Alone in the Dark games and Darkseed. There’s so much goofy poo poo for them to react to, it’s great.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The OCG is the Japanese game while the TCG is the international version. Either of them can have exclusive cards that the other does not have (yet) which means they need separate banlists. Also sometimes they rule differently on interactions between the same goddamn cards for some reason.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:The OCG is the Japanese game while the TCG is the international version. Either of them can have exclusive cards that the other does not have (yet) which means they need separate banlists. Also sometimes they rule differently on interactions between the same goddamn cards for some reason. Is there an international YGO tournament scene, or is everything strictly national/regional? This sounds like an absolute nightmare to deal with if that's the case
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bessantj posted:I like some of the videos where Slowbeef and Diabetus mock a game rather than the person playing it. The Ambition stuff led to some of the funniest videos they've ever done, in my opinion.
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I laughed so hard when they were watching some Super Mario 64 video played on a Mac emulator so it ran at like 10 FPS and I can't remember who but they called it a "tool assisted slow run".
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I think part of the issue when you start paying people for lps / twitch streaming is that nine times out of ten they slowly start to inhabit a character and you lose the genuineness that comes from it just being 'a thing they do'. Like, you start performing to meet audience expectations to keep getting paid, you know?
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Oct 16, 2020 15:00
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Dragonatrix posted:The Ambition stuff led to some of the funniest videos they've ever done, in my opinion. I really liked their Last Alert video(s).
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Shinji2015 posted:Is there an international YGO tournament scene, or is everything strictly national/regional? This sounds like an absolute nightmare to deal with if that's the case There are world championship tournaments, and from what I can tell they have their own banlist (a combination of the other two, using the lowest number of allowed cards in each case) It should also be noted that some cards that are legal in america are still not legal in europe because of the stupidest rule ever. (Some cards came as promos in magazines/manga books and not every country in europe officially sells them, so sucks to be you ALL of europe)
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