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Storm One posted:
Up to this point on the PS4 you could remove your voice from other people's uploaded videos. If we're talking about party chat with people you're already friends with then why wouldn't people want this as an option? edit; similarly, if a controller has a built-in mic why wouldn't people want the option of turning it off BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Oct 18, 2020 |
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Rad Valtar posted:Nah I'm good. Yeah, that's what I thought.
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Oct 18, 2020 01:12
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Possible about-face incoming. https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1317616221580218368?s=20 This might be more for the actual workings of it from the user side, not the recording component, it's not clear. univbee fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Oct 18, 2020 |
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Oct 18, 2020 01:17
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Oct 18, 2020 01:19
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Up to this point on the PS4 you could remove your voice from other people's uploaded videos. If we're talking about party chat with people you're already friends with then why wouldn't people want this as an option? Yeah I don't want to give someone the choice to remove what they said from a party I control.
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Oct 18, 2020 01:20
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See, right there! They thanked us for speaking up so it’s easier to monitor what we say
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Oct 18, 2020 01:20
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univbee posted:Possible about-face incoming. Sony is having a kind of nightmare launch period
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Oct 18, 2020 01:22
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morestuff posted:Sony is having a kind of nightmare launch period Are they?
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Oct 18, 2020 01:25
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Rad Valtar posted:Yeah I don't want to give someone the choice to remove what they said from a party I control. What does controlling the party have to do with it? lmao
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Oct 18, 2020 01:27
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Up to this point on the PS4 you could remove your voice from other people's uploaded videos. If we're talking about party chat with people you're already friends with then why wouldn't people want this as an option? Technically this could still be an option ( BeanpolePeckerwood posted:edit; similarly, if a controller has a built-in mic why wouldn't people want the option of turning it off I'm just much farther on the  spectrum than most and simply Do. Not. Want. to trust anyone to do what they claim: if the pad has no audio input hardware at all, problem solved.
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Oct 18, 2020 01:27
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All of this can be avoided by simply not using the product in question.
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Oct 18, 2020 01:30
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The Dual Sense has a mic mute button but it's software so you still have to trust it a little bit, unlike the PS4 where running with no mic physically present is a supported configurationunivbee posted:Possible about-face incoming. This is almost certainly about the party/group functionality changes and not the recording issue haveblue fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Oct 18, 2020 |
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Oct 18, 2020 01:30
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Wardark Grimhams posted:All of this can be avoided by simply not using the product in question. bad faith first post itt!
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Oct 18, 2020 01:31
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I simply do not have an expectation of privacy in a voice chat on a product by a private company.
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Oct 18, 2020 01:32
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Wardark Grimhams posted:I simply do not have an expectation of privacy in a voice chat on a product by a private company. If privacy rights of people w/r/t youtube, twitch, etc have been respected on their platform up to this point then why wouldn't you expect them going forward?
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Oct 18, 2020 01:37
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Because I have 0 expectations of any company. I just buy games and play them. I don't play multiplayer. Edit: I should say I don't play multiplayer anymore, I used to enjoy it but I never used voice chat due to the massive toxicity. Wardark Grimhams fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Oct 18, 2020 |
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Oct 18, 2020 01:41
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haveblue posted:The Dual Sense has a mic mute button but it's software so you still have to trust it a little bit, unlike the PS4 where running with no mic physically present is a supported configuration Yeah people are mad that their messaging groups and parties are now the same thing Idc really i usually just join a group and start complaining about a different game than everyone else is playing lol
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Oct 18, 2020 01:47
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Wardark Grimhams posted:Because I have 0 expectations of any company. I just buy games and play them. I don't play multiplayer. Glad you weighed in!
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Oct 18, 2020 01:48
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Wardark Grimhams posted:Because I have 0 expectations of any company. I just buy games and play them. I don't play multiplayer. If only we can find a way to prevent this.
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Oct 18, 2020 01:48
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Rad Valtar posted:If only we can find a way to prevent this. Some sort of moderation?
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Oct 18, 2020 01:49
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Surveillance creep is a very real thing and anyone who says "I've got nothing to hide so they can monitor me" is a moron If you're not happy with Sony recording you (if that's what's going on, I haven't been following this story) then just don't use their party chat, there's other alternatives out there.
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Oct 18, 2020 01:50
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Wardark Grimhams posted:Some sort of moderation? Moderation isn’t needed because everyone partakes in group activities without it in good faith.
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Oct 18, 2020 01:50
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You could just...not have toxic people in your party... How is this so hard?
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Oct 18, 2020 01:50
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I just start off my mornings by yelling all my plans for the day into my DS4 so Sony and the government already know it all and I don’t have to worry about them overhearing anything more
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Oct 18, 2020 01:52
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:You could just...not have toxic people in your party... You do realize that millions of people play multiplayer games with pubbies because they don’t have other people to play with? I don’t have the data but I’m sure it’s the vast majority.
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Oct 18, 2020 01:54
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^^ thisBeanpolePeckerwood posted:If privacy rights of people w/r/t youtube, twitch, etc have been respected on their platform up to this point then why wouldn't you expect them going forward? Sorry to ask but what are you basing this from? In the official blog post they don't talk about it either way. I never voice chat and haven't checked the privacy options in the PS4 since the update for any changes, is the "mute own voice form other player's uploads" setting you mention really gone now? Escobarbarian posted:I just start off my mornings by yelling all my plans for the day into my DS4 so Sony and the government already know it all and I don’t have to worry about them overhearing anything more Joke's on you, it has no mic 
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Oct 18, 2020 01:54
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For the folks who are upset about the five minutes of voice chat being recorded on a rolling basis - would you prefer that voice chat not be moderated? Because I can't think of any other way to do it that isn't completely toothless. Or would you prefer that they recorded public chat but not private chat? I suppose they could record matches and keep the data on the private server, but that seems even worse from a privacy standpoint.
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Oct 18, 2020 01:55
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:You could just...not have toxic people in your party... Ah yes, everyone knows every aspect about a person and what they are going to do in the future when they join a party. A HS friend of mine turned out later in life to be a rapist/pedophile so I am not sure I can accurately predict how people loving turn out
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Oct 18, 2020 01:56
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Storm One posted:Sorry to ask but what are you basing this from? In the official blog post they don't talk about it either way. I certainly hope not!
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Oct 18, 2020 01:57
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Twibbit posted:Ah yes, everyone knows every aspect about a person and what they are going to do in the future when they join a party. Granted.
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Oct 18, 2020 01:57
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il serpente cosmico posted:I suppose they could record matches and keep the data on the private server, but that seems even worse from a private standpoint. Legally, they can't if they intend to comply with the GDPR. Technically, they can do it and not tell anyone but, again, they always could so the new policy changes nothing, they're not gaining any powers they didn't already have.
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Oct 18, 2020 01:58
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Storm One posted:Legally, they can't if they intend to comply with the GDPR. Technically, they can do it and not tell anyone but, again, they always could so the new policy changes nothing, they're not gaining any powers they didn't already have. Got it. Could they ask everyone to opt in to such a system by making it part of the PS+ EULA?
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Oct 18, 2020 02:01
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Rad Valtar posted:You do realize that millions of people play multiplayer games with pubbies because they don’t have other people to play with? I don’t have the data but I’m sure it’s the vast majority. Why would anyone play with pubbies?
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Oct 18, 2020 02:03
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il serpente cosmico posted:Got it. Could they ask everyone to opt in to such a system by making it part of the PS+ EULA? It can be opt-in, it can't be part of an EULA because that would not be true opt-in (voluntary) but actually mandatory. The GDPR is explicit about the only personal data that can be kept being the minimum necessary for providing the service, and all other extraneous bullshit has to be (actually) opt-in. Violations are rampant, of course, and enforcement is sadly lacking. Last 5 minutes of audio for moderation purposes almost certainly complies with GDPR; permanent records don't, and even if an user voluntarily opted-in to such a thing they'd still have the right to demand deletion of all personal data at any moment.
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Oct 18, 2020 02:12
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So to clarify on the recording issue because there's some confusion with this and there's sort of two components to this (independent concerns that also work together). - The PS5 keeps a rolling audio recording of the last 5 minutes of chat audio that can't be turned off. This is apparently stored locally. Someone can upload this to Sony for moderation review for potential repercussions for toxicity. - The DualSense has a built-in microphone so it can record voice even without any microphone separately plugged into it. It can be muted with a button on the controller but this appears to be just a software button. I imagine the console will properly say you're muted (I know my PS4 does when I press "mute" on my Sony headsets), although it's theoretically possible that some recording is happening anyway. Both of these things produce a variety of privacy concerns since this is an expansion of how things are now (where you can more clearly opt out of your voice being recorded in a few obvious ways that apparently won't be possible on PS5).
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Oct 18, 2020 02:31
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Why would anyone play with pubbies? It’s in the post. loving lol.
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Oct 18, 2020 02:39
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:The funny thing is that the low bat warning comes up and you still have like 90-120 mins of use left. I just keep using it until it dies, and then it dies right in the middle of a good run on a bloodsouls boss or something  This is the only proper way to do it.Ride the controller until it dies then swap, and not a moment before. 
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Oct 18, 2020 02:43
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I don't play multiplayer games with goons because every single time I've joined a community on PS4 with goons for some online PS4 game invariably with "Goon" in the title the community itself is dead as hell and no one plays or talks. So thanks I'll just play DBD or Squadrons or whatever with the rest of the PSN like a normal person.
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Oct 18, 2020 02:45
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Policenaut posted:I don't play multiplayer games with goons because every single time I've joined a community on PS4 with goons for some online PS4 game invariably with "Goon" in the title the community itself is dead as hell and no one plays or talks. So thanks I'll just play DBD or Squadrons or whatever with the rest of the PSN like a normal person. Yeah this is weird to me. Every multiplayer goon group I join has tons of people playing for the first couple of weeks with no one inviting to play games then it just dies out.
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VideoGames posted:Game stop? More like game continue! 
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