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That whole part was super moving for me, and if you folks who didn't like the episode didn't even see it, I guess that makes sense.
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Wait, wasn't the sphere data in the suit? The suit that she ordered to self destruct? That suits coming back up one way or another. Wild speculation time: Putting the data destruction to one side, maybe the bomb she sent to the future blew up something important, so the future people tried to stop the federation before they could build the suit-bomb but didn't realise it came from the even distant-er past.
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Oct 18, 2020 05:47
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Lol @ this season’s premise: Star Trek Andromeda
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Oct 18, 2020 05:51
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Trek tech gets retconned frequently, but dilithium doesn't make warp, it just regulates a matter/antimatter reaction. And since a M/AM reaction provides the maximum possible energy from any fuel, you'd probably still use that for power with some other FTL tech.
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I'm pretty sure the idea in nu-trek is dilithium is just like gas for your car though You put it in your brewery engineering system
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Oct 18, 2020 06:13
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Some of the Sheep posted:Lol @ this season’s premise: Star Trek Andromeda It won't be Andromeda unless they spend an entire season using a bar on a desert planet as the backdrop for every single episode.
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Oct 18, 2020 06:32
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Grand Fromage posted:Trek tech gets retconned frequently, but dilithium doesn't make warp, it just regulates a matter/antimatter reaction. And since a M/AM reaction provides the maximum possible energy from any fuel, you'd probably still use that for power with some other FTL tech. The whole way that warp cores are depicted on screen doesn't even make sense so I'm ok with then fudging things a little. They're basically just reaction chambers, put matter and anti-matter in, get plasma out. The whole concept of an uncontrollable warp core breach should be basically impossible since you can just turn off the anti-matter supply.
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King Burgundy posted:That whole part was super moving for me, and if you folks who didn't like the episode didn't even see it, I guess that makes sense. I'll agree with that. The whole ending bit with Sahil was pretty moving, cheesy flag thing and all. I'm not going to know what to think if DISCO joins TLD as Star Trek for people who love Star Trek, but I'm going to like it.
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Oct 18, 2020 06:52
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gently caress the picard haters, p.stew chewing the scenery as an eyepatch-wearing french pirate is absurd and i love it. it's ok to like dumb things. and star trek has plenty of dumb things. And like Mr. Mot's Hair Emporium. why yes, this is the first time i've watched picard.
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Oct 18, 2020 07:03
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also, i'm digging the ship having a bunch of hologram assistants that are just the captain with different accents. good use of an actor.
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Oct 18, 2020 07:28
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I liked the Cargo Cult Starfleet guy, but he raises questions. His father and grandfather managed to have kids while still performing vital Sitting In A Room Doing Nothing duties, does that mean that station still has a sizable population? Or has everyone left but him? I just hope he had a holodeck. Do you think he's ever known love? What kind of snarky quips is he going to be able to toss out in a tense situation? Boy I hope this guy becomes a valued member of the Disco crew so we can learn all about him.
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Oct 18, 2020 07:33
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If he joins the Disco crew and actually goes on the ship with them, I hope there are some "Hello computer" esque moments for him, or whatever the equivalent would be for going from the 32nd-23rd century. Like maybe these primitive fucks don't use three seashells.
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Oct 18, 2020 08:05
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And how long has been isolated and alone? Unless his dad died last week he should be poo poo-throwing insane right?
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Oct 18, 2020 09:45
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Discovery has some cool ideas and unlike many I like Michael but man this episode was really badly directed. Just a mess of superficially flashy techniques thrown together with no thought to how they work in context. Constantly roving handheld for no reason, weird jump cuts that actually hurt the flow of the performance during Michael’s weed rant, etc. Framing, editing, and choreography could be a lot better.
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Oct 18, 2020 09:56
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Strong Convections posted:Wait, wasn't the sphere data in the suit? The sphere data is in the Discovery, that's why they sent the Discovery into the future. If the rest is about what Burnham did with the suit - she sent it back to 2258 to send the seventh red burst signal that Spock saw at the end of the final episode that confirms she made it to the future. Then had it self destruct so a time suit isn't floating around in space in the past as evidence of what they did.
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Oct 18, 2020 10:19
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xerxus posted:This Sahil trashing is gross. For all we know, he only spends an hour each day at the reception, and the rest of the time he's trying to repair the station, and self-teach Starfleet Courses. That would be a totally reasonable character, but that's not what is presented on screen. The point of the intro is that he spends every day doing exactly the same routine - getting up, brushing teeth, literally bag holding a flag he can't raise, and staring at a sensor screen. The point of his character is that he is doing the same thing over and over again because he hasn't lost hope that someone from Starfleet will show up. e: I'll give some credit - Book knows who he is and that he's there. But that's the only concession the show hints at that the guy hasn't just wasted his life in a white box.
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Seemlar posted:The sphere data is in the Discovery, that's why they sent the Discovery into the future. I though she told it to go to the future and explode after setting the last signal this episode though? Might have misheard, I'll need to rewatch. I've liked most of the promo images on Netflix for the series, but I have to say, this is the ugliest one I've seen: 
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Oct 18, 2020 10:39
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean the concept of the federation needing to be restored in what I assume is a diystopian future is edgy and grim dark so if you are already there might as well commit There is a nearly infinite gulf between a Canticle for Leibowitz and The Road.
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Oct 18, 2020 12:07
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xerxus posted:This Sahil trashing is gross. For all we know, he only spends an hour each day at the reception, and the rest of the time he's trying to repair the station, and self-teach Starfleet Courses. I'm assuming he spends his days reading logs from old missions to get a feel for the federation's history and creating wildly inaccurate fanfiction vidlogs he broadcasts to get people to remember the fed [cut to an episode of ToS]
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Oct 18, 2020 13:17
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King Burgundy posted:Burnham literally gives him a commission. And then they do the flag. Did you miss some of the episode? I think you're misunderstanding that post. The question is why he hasn't already been commissioned if there have already been a couple Starfleet ships flying around for (presumably) his whole life, which we know there are because he can detect them. I don't think this is a strong objection: those guys are probably busy with other stuff and may not know he's even there. But the posts aren't asking about Burnham.
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Oct 18, 2020 14:11
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CaptainSkinny posted:The part about The Burn that I'm curious about is how Starfleet can claim it will never happen again. Can't was the line, basically the implication is the Fed investigated it, said yeah we got no clue why and it could happen again. Like imagine tomorrow every single fuel powered vehicle went boom, billions of casualties, no clue why and no promise that it wouldn't happen again, the world would be fundamentally different and you wouldn't just be able to transition to solar energy because those supply lines violently exploded alongside any expertise that happened to be near any fuel.
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Oct 18, 2020 14:36
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Senor Tron posted:The whole way that warp cores are depicted on screen doesn't even make sense so I'm ok with then fudging things a little. They're basically just reaction chambers, put matter and anti-matter in, get plasma out. The whole concept of an uncontrollable warp core breach should be basically impossible since you can just turn off the anti-matter supply. i didn't remember or notice at the time but after lower decks' gushing over warp cores i went back and watched a few scenes and i'm very very amused that the warp core breach visual effect is always steam just flying out of a random seam
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Oct 18, 2020 14:44
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twistedmentat posted:Pretty sure we're gonna find out the Burn was caused by someone who will turn out to be the antagonists for the season. Yeah, the writers.
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Oct 18, 2020 14:46
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A.o.D. posted:There is a nearly infinite gulf between a Canticle for Leibowitz and The Road. I mean yes but that’s why you use context in a discussion, generally
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Oct 18, 2020 14:52
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twistedmentat posted:Pretty sure we're gonna find out the Burn was caused by someone who will turn out to be the antagonists for the season. We're going to have 12 episodes of the protagonists solving all of their problems through violence and then a speech in the finale about how violence isn't the answer.
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Oct 18, 2020 16:09
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Martytoof posted:Yeah, the writers. 
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As much as I love time loops and predestination paradoxes, I’m getting kinda tuckered out by “it was us all along  ” arcs. I hope this season doesn’t rely on that with The Burn.Aw who am I kidding. It will.
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HD DAD posted:As much as I love time loops and predestination paradoxes, I’m getting kinda tuckered out by “it was us all along The plus side is they can end the series with a giant gently caress YOU button to undo the entire thing
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The way she hastily sends off the red suit on its own to send the final signal, I'd be really surprised if it doesnt somehow factor back in. If not as a huge plot device, at the very least to send cannibal hitler back in time to star in the Section 31 show. They'll find the suit embedded in an asteroid or something, rusty and malfunctioning with age.
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Oct 18, 2020 16:53
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A lot of the episode was filmed in awesome places in Iceland and that made me happy. That area under the waterfall is a really neat place that you can actually walk behind (fun fact, it was also a location featured during a season of The Amazing Race). I hope they weren't walking on the moss-covered volcanic fields though, as that can damage the ecosystem there.
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Oct 18, 2020 17:16
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Neurolimal posted:The way she hastily sends off the red suit on its own to send the final signal, I'd be really surprised if it doesnt somehow factor back in. Maybe so, but I'm thinking they just got rid of it. Still having a time travel suit that can also teleport you anywhere and is also durable enough to let you survive getting hit by a spaceship and planetary re-entry kinda breaks the show. When she sent it away and also set its self-destruct, I was like "did she say she was going to blow up the suit last season? Isn't she the only one that can use it anyway? Couldn't she wait for that wormhole to close, and then open a different one later to send the signal?" The bottom line is that it was just a plot device to get the show to this point. They don't need it anymore, so it's being thrown away regardless of any practical reasons Michael would actually want to keep it.
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Oct 18, 2020 17:47
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Senor Tron posted:The whole way that warp cores are depicted on screen doesn't even make sense so I'm ok with then fudging things a little. They're basically just reaction chambers, put matter and anti-matter in, get plasma out. The whole concept of an uncontrollable warp core breach should be basically impossible since you can just turn off the anti-matter supply.
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UnquietDream posted:Can't was the line, basically the implication is the Fed investigated it, said yeah we got no clue why and it could happen again. Like imagine tomorrow every single fuel powered vehicle went boom, billions of casualties, no clue why and no promise that it wouldn't happen again, the world would be fundamentally different and you wouldn't just be able to transition to solar energy because those supply lines violently exploded alongside any expertise that happened to be near any fuel. If that happened and Ford started making cars again and was like, "I know they all exploded randomly before, but it's cool now. It can't happen again because we don't know why it happened." I might question that a little.
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Oct 18, 2020 18:33
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FlamingLiberal posted:Aren't most of the times we have an impending warp core breach because they can't stop the flow into the chamber? I sometimes wonder how many times the writers would turn in a draft where the main reactor turned into a ticking time bomb (or the ship turned into a flying death trap in some other way again), and they got notes back saying "uh there's like two different safety mechanisms designed to prevent this" and the writers would curse those nerds in the art department as they wrote in "...and the safety systems that should be preventing this aren't working"
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Serious times if I ever get to go to a nerd convention where there are TNG writers doing a panel discussion, the highlight of that convention for me will be getting up and asking "was it your intention to turn the Enterprise into a flying death trap or did that just happen by coincidence?"
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Oct 18, 2020 18:44
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The Bloop posted:The plus side is they can end the series with a giant gently caress YOU button to undo the entire thing Voyager did it. 
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Oct 18, 2020 19:01
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Ah, the days online in 98-05 when the “reset button” was one of the top major complaints about modern Trek. 
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HD DAD posted:Ah, the days online in 98-05 when the “reset button” was one of the top major complaints about modern Trek. now we're practically begging for it
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The Bloop posted:now we're practically begging for it and people complain about picard not being star trek. literally ends with a reset button for picard. classic trek.
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