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Gonz posted:Watched the “Evil Admiral Terry O’Quinn” episode of TNG, and as it turns out from reading Memory Beta articles, after he was court-martialed out of Starfleet for the USS Pegasus incident, Section 31 immediately recruited him to do more similar evil poo poo dealing with phase cloaking devices. There are all these EU things about Section 31, usually involving Bashir, but I always thought the most consistent way with Bashir's character that they might follow up would be if he became the Federation's Edward Snowden. Except ideally with the Federation and Starfleet reacting a bit better than we did. Like, he's never going to willingly join them or work for them, but I could see him working hard to blow it all wide open. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Oct 17, 2020 |
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If you don't like the dumbass ways Section 31 has been used on the shows post-DS9, I'd advise you stay away from the novels, where 31 basically runs the Federation. Like, at one point, they're straight up forcing the President to resign and then secretly murdering him.
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Angry Salami posted:If you don't like the dumbass ways Section 31 has been used on the shows post-DS9, I'd advise you stay away from the novels, where 31 basically runs the Federation. Like, at one point, they're straight up forcing the President to resign and then secretly murdering him. Ah, so it really is the space CIA
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Oct 17, 2020 12:22
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That clip reminds me of something... every now and again we hear the klingons switch from speaking in english to their native language for impact... but I thought everyone had universal translators so wouldn't every bit of spoken klingon be automatically translated into english for everyone in star fleet? (this isn't a real nerd nitpick, just strange to think about)
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Oct 17, 2020 12:23
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Astroman posted:Somebody find her nowadays so we can get her hot takes on DISCO. She’s definitely dead, she has a very strong entitled old person vibe
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Oct 17, 2020 12:27
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G-III posted:That clip reminds me of something... every now and again we hear the klingons switch from speaking in english to their native language for impact... but I thought everyone had universal translators so wouldn't every bit of spoken klingon be automatically translated into english for everyone in star fleet? (this isn't a real nerd nitpick, just strange to think about) I liked how Discovery established how the translator " really" works, then at a point just switched to us hearing the Klingons in English.
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Anonymouse Mook posted:IIRC, the novelization had them intending for it to burn up in the atmosphere, but Saavik changed the targeting to a soft landing. Can't recall the exact reason, but it may have been so he could rest on the world he helped create? Whatever, she was emotional--half Romulan and all that. Actually, she changed it so that it intersected with the last remnants of the genesis wave with the idea that it would atomize his body and incorporate it into the world.
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Oct 17, 2020 15:04
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G-III posted:That clip reminds me of something... every now and again we hear the klingons switch from speaking in english to their native language for impact... but I thought everyone had universal translators so wouldn't every bit of spoken klingon be automatically translated into english for everyone in star fleet? (this isn't a real nerd nitpick, just strange to think about) Like the doors that only open when someone is actually ready to leave a room, Universal Translators are equipped with finely-tuned Narrative Compensators to ensure that they don't disrupt the Dramatium field that is the real reason that the Federation has been so successful.
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Oct 17, 2020 15:09
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The doors things mostly isn't a problem. With present day learning algorithms we could probably get a computer to figure out if someone is or isn't about to want a door to be open with decent accuracy.
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Senor Tron posted:The doors things mostly isn't a problem. With present day learning algorithms we could probably get a computer to figure out if someone is or isn't about to want a door to be open with decent accuracy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGcfp_t-Fco
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Oct 17, 2020 15:38
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Senor Tron posted:The doors things mostly isn't a problem. With present day learning algorithms we could probably get a computer to figure out if someone is or isn't about to want a door to be open with decent accuracy. Not sure they'd program that kind of thing into a dominion prison 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPHkeQ58_pQ Maybe these things were secretly more dangerous than the exploding consoles
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Oct 17, 2020 15:54
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My favourite thing about Star Trek’s longevity as a franchise is that it means we have fifty years worth of outtakes of actors walking into doors.
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bull3964 posted:Actually, she changed it so that it intersected with the last remnants of the genesis wave with the idea that it would atomize his body and incorporate it into the world. Oh I like that. I wish they said that in III
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Like the doors that only open when someone is actually ready to leave a room, Universal Translators are equipped with finely-tuned Narrative Compensators to ensure that they don't disrupt the Dramatium field that is the real reason that the Federation has been so successful. Thinking about it, watching foreign dubbed Star Trek - where the lips don't match the speech - would be more 'realistic' in a way.
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Oct 18, 2020 04:20
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I want to start reading the book A Stitch In Time because I really like Garak even though I’ve only seen him in one episode so far. Is there any reason not to do that? Are there any huge DS9 spoilers I should be wary about?
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Unmature posted:I want to start reading the book A Stitch In Time because I really like Garak even though I’ve only seen him in one episode so far. Is there any reason not to do that? Are there any huge DS9 spoilers I should be wary about? There are things mentioned in there about his background that you wouldn't know yet
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FlamingLiberal posted:I would read it after you have finished watching the series I’ll hold off by starting Spock’s World or Ishmael. Wait do I have to watch every episode of Here Come the Brides first
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They need to reprint A Stitch in Time and they need to do it in a classy hardcover edition this time.
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Unmature posted:I’ll hold off by starting Spock’s World or Ishmael. Wait do I have to watch every episode of Here Come the Brides first I have a soft spot for Spock's World, and it's one that I've not often seen discussed when talking about Trek books. That and Probe.
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Unmature posted:I want to start reading the book A Stitch In Time because I really like Garak even though I’ve only seen him in one episode so far. Is there any reason not to do that? Are there any huge DS9 spoilers I should be wary about? I'm not very far into the book myself, but it does definitely make offhand remarks about incidents and political landscapes you won't have any clue about.
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I remember really liking Yesterday’s Son when I was a kid. It’s a sequel to the episode where Spock is trapped in a prehistoric time with some woman and starts to revert to pre-Surak behavior.
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bull3964 posted:Frakes is just a bit too old for that now I think. Not in an animated series he isn't.
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Gonz posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kntMdtzG5a8 The best part of it is that Picard and Riker both obviously know he's doing some weird robot-wants-to-be-human thing and just let him go for it instead of stopping him.
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G-III posted:That clip reminds me of something... every now and again we hear the klingons switch from speaking in english to their native language for impact... but I thought everyone had universal translators so wouldn't every bit of spoken klingon be automatically translated into english for everyone in star fleet? (this isn't a real nerd nitpick, just strange to think about) The universal translator is a technology that among other things is shown as being able to reproduce psionic/emphatic powers. More specifically, it is able to dechiper context to a supernatural degree. It seems able to, at least in part, deduce the intent of speakers so it is not a stretch to think that it knows when you want to express yourself in your mother tongue and simply let's that go through. The Klingons is the only species rude enough to make use of this functionality often, although one could argue it stems from a genuine belief that something gets lost in the translation (Shakespeare is best in the original Klingon etc). That said, humans do this too. Picard sings in French (to the children he gets trapped with in the elevator with). Alternatively, I guess the translator could be deciding itself that the cultural context of the phrase is such that it should not be translated, or the crews have an incredible surreptitious way of turning the translator on and off. thotsky fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Oct 18, 2020 |
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Oct 18, 2020 11:32
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Also the universal translator doesn't know french. It's only universal.
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Oct 18, 2020 13:10
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Broadcast on all known frequencies and in all known languages... including welsh.
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Unmature posted:I want to start reading the book A Stitch In Time because I really like Garak even though I’ve only seen him in one episode so far. Is there any reason not to do that? Are there any huge DS9 spoilers I should be wary about? I've not read it but the character ends up being in a lot of episodes throughout the whole series, so I can only assume a book about him would play off those in some way.
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Having read the book summary - I would not read it until you are done with the show. Part of what makes Garek such a good character is how his history is very gradually revealed, which is partly an artefact of Robinson going from occasional guest to show regular but used very effectively by the storytellers.
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It would completely spoil almost everything about the end of the show. Don't read it unless you've seen all of DS9 or don't care about spoilers.
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MikeJF posted:Also the universal translator doesn't know french.
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Gonz posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kntMdtzG5a8 Brent Spiner is such a talent. He blends so well in to the Data character that you don't notice how well he has to be acting to do it, and then he hits you with a comedy bit and nails it. His impressions of Stewart at conventions are pretty great too. The man can't be overlooked.
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Strong Convections posted:Broadcast on all known frequencies and in all known languages... including welsh. WELSHYYYYY!
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Brent Spiner is weird in that sometimes he's so good and sometimes he's so bad it's hard to watch. Data was really the role of a lifetime I guess.
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Arglebargle IV posted:Brent Spiner is weird in that sometimes he's so good and sometimes he's so bad it's hard to watch. Data was really the role of a lifetime I guess. I feel like between the show and the movies he completely forgot how to play Data. Even when he’s not using the ‘motions chip and just being himself it seems totally wrong
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Every time I see Spiner as "himself" I think he's creepy as gently caress.
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MikeJF posted:Also the universal translator doesn't know french. It's only universal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlhzX7UKKNU
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MikeJF posted:Also the universal translator doesn't know french. It's only universal. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwODwwgE6rA
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Brawnfire posted:Every time I see Spiner as "himself" I think he's creepy as gently caress. You should maybe check out his web series Fresh Hell then. It really leans in to this perception and Spiner plays a great Larry David-esque miserable self-destructive rear end in a top hat.
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Here's the roles I've seen Brent Spiner play: Data Bob Wheeler Patrick Stewart
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