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Nomnom Cookie posted:any time I start talking politics with my mom (I’m getting better at avoiding it but not there yet) she always eventually comes out with “but her emails”. yeah, lock her up. lock Obama up too. no mercy for war criminals. I’ve explained multiple times that I’m not a liberal and the narrative and talking points she gets from tv aren’t going to work on me, but she always forgets by the next time we talk i can tell that trump caused some fuse in my dad’s brain to blow and he’s trying *really* hard to deprogram himself but after being submerged in that garbage for decades he’s genuinely struggling. he’s regularly getting himself onto correct trains of thought but eventually hits some fundamental blocker where it’s ‘but that can’t be right that’s socialism!!’ and gets visibly frustrated
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PIZZA.BAT posted:i can tell that trump caused some fuse in my dad’s brain to blow and he’s trying *really* hard to deprogram himself but after being submerged in that garbage for decades he’s genuinely struggling. he’s regularly getting himself onto correct trains of thought but eventually hits some fundamental blocker where it’s ‘but that can’t be right that’s socialism!!’ and gets visibly frustrated maybe introduce him to mixed economic systems. maybe that's your wedge.
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point out that the socialism that Fox News talks about is what’s done in China or Cuba or the Soviet Union while the socialism most Americans want is social democracy and works for the rest of the first world
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Oct 20, 2020 16:02
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and by works I mean “it at least keeps more people from dying needlessly compared to American capitalism but is continuously being hosed with by those countries’ conservatives to make it as ineffective as possible so they can fully castrate it later down the road”
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Oct 20, 2020 16:03
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:point out that the socialism that Fox News talks about is what’s done in China or Cuba or the Soviet Union while the socialism most Americans want is social democracy and works for the rest of the first world American conservatives don't actually care about socialism vs capitalism, it's all about their team winning and petty cultural grievances The US economy during WW2 and the british economy in the post-war years up until the early seventies were absolute command economies but no one cares about that
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Oct 20, 2020 16:06
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the thing that has totally ossified in my parents' brains is that taxes = bad. specifically for the ultra rich. like sure, we all don't like getting our money stolen, because most of it is getting pissed away on f-35s and exploding spacex rockets, but there are people here worth over 100 billion dollars, and i'm just trying to pay the rent. the idea that those people should pay a lot lot more really hits a wall in their minds.
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Oct 20, 2020 16:14
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It's because they think that if you just work hard enough you could also become a billionaire 100 times over. And if you tax people too much they won't be incentivized to do so! Why work hard to become a billionaire only to have the gubmint take away all your hard earned money?!
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Oct 20, 2020 16:18
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People also don't really understand how much of their lifestyle is contingent on government spending and government intervention. Every hourly working man in America loves that sweet time-and-a-half OT, but they don't seem to understand that it's guaranteed by the FLSA and that "burdensome regulations" are the only thing that make sure they're paid fairly.
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one thing americans also don't really get is that their lifestyle is dependent on the exploitation of the global south, and the way that they have kept americans pacified is by crushing democratic movements in the globally southern nations that we exploit for various things. like for example, i just bought 3lbs of bananas at costco for $2 that were grown in Costa Rica, and we all have iphones that use cobalt and lithium from africa or whatever. if the person who had to climb the tree to pick the bananas or the person who had to mine the cobalt got more of the value of the goods they produced, americans would be unable to afford basic everyday items without getting massive raises, which obviously the corporations will not be keen to do.
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spankmeister posted:It's because they think that if you just work hard enough you could also become a billionaire 100 times over. And if you tax people too much they won't be incentivized to do so! Why work hard to become a billionaire only to have the gubmint take away all your hard earned money?! I think you're giving them too much credit assuming there is any chain of thoughts behind their beliefs.
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Oct 20, 2020 16:36
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I've put 10 grand in PredictIt now betting on "almost certain" election outcomes and I'm pretty sure this is how I either take small amounts of MAGA money or set myself up for massive disappointment.
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gambling is a sin
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spankmeister posted:It's because they think that if you just work hard enough you could also become a billionaire 100 times over. And if you tax people too much they won't be incentivized to do so! Why work hard to become a billionaire only to have the gubmint take away all your hard earned money?! The mythos never mentions that they come from rich families. Gate's parents were corporate lawyers, Bezos was an investment banker, and Apartheid Clyde's family made money from emerald mines. Weird how people with money have more opportunities in life. 
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Sagebrush posted:gambling is a sin gambling 10k is something else entirely.
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me and the missus spent $50 at a casino in vegas in february and felt really silly after losing it all but hey at least we were able to say we gambled in vegas putting $10,000 on the line is ludicrous
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AnimeIsTrash posted:The mythos never mentions that they come from rich families. Gate's parents were corporate lawyers, Bezos was an investment banker, and Apartheid Clyde's family made money from emerald mines.  That's Bill Gates's dad's name on that building A personal computer cost more than a new car in the mid-seventies, if you had one to tinker with back then you were rich as gently caress.
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infernal machines posted:gambling 10k is something else entirely. If I had $10k to gamble, I'd gamble it on getting fresh dental crowns. That's... something else alright.
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infernal machines posted:gambling 10k is something else entirely. The Republicans won't take the trifecta (House, Senate, Prez) Mike Pence won't win the presidential election Trump won't drop out of the race Biden won't drop out of the race Hillary Clinton won't run A Democrat will win California There will be 5% GDP growth in at least one quarter of 2020 Kanye West won't come in 3rd Trump won't win Georgia by 6% or more Trump will lose at least one state he won in 2016 I mean, it is gambling, but, if I lose most of this money I'm going to question my grip on reality
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AnimeIsTrash posted:The mythos never mentions that they come from rich families. Gate's parents were corporate lawyers, Bezos was an investment banker, and Apartheid Clyde's family made money from emerald mines. yeah. even the zuck's parents were both doctors in westchester county and he went to a private high school with a 1.3 billion dollar endowment (comparable to rutgers or mcgill university)
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ShadowHawk posted:my current bets: we weren't asking you to enumerate your bets, we're marveling at the notion that you can just blow $10k on stupid bullshit.
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some of you have too much money
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Gambling addiction is legitimately the most crippling form of addiction you can have.
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Cat Face Joe posted:some of you have too much money
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Gambling addiction is legitimately the most crippling form of addiction you can have. idk, gambling will leave you broke, meth/heroin will leave you dead
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DELETE CASCADE posted:idk, gambling will leave you broke, meth/heroin will leave you dead this goon doesn't know about loansharks/engaging in dangerous activities to get gamblingbucks
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ShadowHawk posted:I've put 10 grand in PredictIt now betting on "almost certain" election outcomes and I'm pretty sure this is how I either take small amounts of MAGA money or set myself up for massive disappointment. lol i burned all the money i made from the 2016 republican primary on the 2016 general election. you only have to be wrong once i came out net zero in the end so it was all harmless fun
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Gambling addiction is legitimately the most crippling form of addiction you can have. it's hard to pick favourites but it's definitely up there. my old man died with truck equity and nothing else thanks to his addiction to gambling. more than once i had to help them make rent when i was a teenager. DELETE CASCADE posted:idk, gambling will leave you broke, meth/heroin will leave you dead one of my uncles was murdered and it's possibly related to his gambling debts, no way to know for sure b/c it was unsolved (he was also a drunk so maybe he shined off to a biker, who knows)
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my mother is a gambling addict who has never actually been to a casino. she was addicted to a pc casino collection for a while when I was a kid and doesn't trust herself to go to a real one. im glad she never got into big fish slots or any of those app casinos
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drat this thread makes me sad for the current state of affairs
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barkbell posted:drat this thread makes me sad for the current state of affairs
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FAT32 SHAMER posted:me and the missus spent $50 at a casino in vegas in february and felt really silly after losing it all but hey at least we were able to say we gambled in vegas
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Uptime Sinclair posted:i can say i went to vegas and won money and that’s for free though. i can also say and went i gambled but lost. still free well yeah but neither of us had ever gambled before 
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Gambling bores the poo poo out of me, for which I am grateful. Some comedian once said that the best thing about the lottery is that you have roughly the same chance of winning whether you play or not.
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poker is fun as hell
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poker? i barely know 'er
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cops are quitting here more than usual https://komonews.com/news/local/its-an-absolute-joke-seattle-officers-leave-scathing-responses-in-exit-interviews quote:One retiring patrol sergeant who had been on the force for more than 20 years said, "I refuse to work for this socialist city council and their political agenda. This agenda sacrifices the health and well-being of the officers and ultimately will destroy the fabric of this once fine city.” for reference the police here had their budget cut by a symbolic <1% and boy are they mad
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PokeJoe posted:One canine officer who’s resigning after more than 11 years said, “Arf, bark, woof"
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PokeJoe posted:cops are quitting here more than usual otoh, it sounds like it's working as intended
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PokeJoe posted:cops are quitting here more than usual Good riddance
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yeah that's some barely 1° off from "Wait, you mean i CANT just shoot brown people at whim? THATS WHAT I SIGNED UP FOR! gently caress THIS THEN" attitudes
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