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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see the major content creators just avoid sci-fi entirely for the large part going forwards. It seems like a very high-risk, low-reward genre where the best reaction a show will reasonably get is "it's fine, I guess" and at worst it will actively, seriously damage your entire platform's PR because of how bad it is.
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Aww I liked Away it was so very gentle and bland and there wasn't a bad guy it was like what if a low sodium Triscuit and a bowl of plain oatmeal teamed up to write and direct what they thought was a compelling space drama.
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Oct 20, 2020 18:26
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As long as Warner doesn't cancel Raised by Wolves.
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Oct 20, 2020 18:26
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Space drama sounds like such an interesting genre but seems like the few I've heard about have been duds. The one with Sean Penn on Hulu was pretty good but it got cancelled after one season (which is too bad, Penn and Natascha McElhone were really good in it) and I didn't get into Away because people said it sucked. I hope this doesn't make networks shy away from that type of setting because it's inherently one that piques my interest.
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Oct 20, 2020 18:30
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Raised by Wolves and Devs were both awesome. Both have been renewed. Although Devs was a one off, but Alex Garland is working on a new miniseries with the same cast for Hulu. Away just looked dull. I've been meaning to watch it, because it's up my alley but nothing about the trailers roped me in.
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Oct 20, 2020 18:31
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I haven't watched Away, so I might be way off the mark, but from the trailer it just looked like another "workaholics go to space but realize family is more important after all" story that has been done several times recently.
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Oct 20, 2020 18:50
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veni veni veni posted:Raised by Wolves and Devs were both awesome. Both have been renewed. both also have critically-beloved talent helming them, blunting any possible negative reaction they could have received, and both are being marketed as prestige artsy TV rather than sci-fi pulp. that sorta thing isn't gonna die, but I would be very surprised if Picard and Disco aren't pretty much the last gasp of Star Trek on TV, if Disney pretty much avoids making any Star Wars TV without Filoni involved (since he seems to similarly be their bulwark against hatred), and if "mid-tier" original-IP sci-fi shows like Away/Lost in Space (or, for earlier examples, your Farscapes and Lexxes and Babylon 5s) just die out entirely. because sci-fi fans are fickle as all hell and generally have a very, very specific idea of what they want that you're almost inevitably not gonna fully achieve, and it will blow back on nearly everybody working on the show.
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Oct 20, 2020 18:58
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Class Warcraft posted:I haven't watched Away, so I might be way off the mark, but from the trailer it just looked like another "workaholics go to space but realize family is more important after all" story that has been done several times recently. Trailer looked like Space Mom and I immediately checked out
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised to see the major content creators just avoid sci-fi entirely for the large part going forwards. It seems like a very high-risk, low-reward genre where the best reaction a show will reasonably get is "it's fine, I guess" and at worst it will actively, seriously damage your entire platform's PR because of how bad it is. It’s substantially higher risk when you throw money to get an uncharismatic academy award winner as your lead for an extremely dry, hard sci fi that everyone feels like they’ve already seen. I think people are burnt out by that subgenre of sci fi in general. There’s a reason ad astra bombed. Meanwhile The Expanse and Mandalorian are both hits. Raised by Wolves was renewed as well. Starks fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Oct 20, 2020 |
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Oct 20, 2020 19:40
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Away was high budget mom thriller fiction
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Oct 20, 2020 20:09
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Tremors: Shrieker Island is up on Netflix today. There is also a 30 minute documentary about Tremors up on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpCSCQJEmnk
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Oct 20, 2020 20:32
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Helstrom is the most dead on arrival, no one involved gives a poo poo release I have seen in decades
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I haven't seen a second of Away but if you want good space related drama please watch For All Mankind
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Basebf555 posted:They rarely cancel stuff after one season but from what I was seeing Away got particularly harsh reactions, people really seemed to think it was poo poo. 
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Simone Magus posted:Away was high budget mom thriller fiction Yeah, I think that's the issue. It's the kind of show that moms would love, if it weren't for the scifi element. I know plenty of people who won't watch anything with the label scifi or fantasy on it because they don't view it as realistic.
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Oct 20, 2020 22:42
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Junkie Disease posted:Helstrom is the most dead on arrival, no one involved gives a poo poo release I have seen in decades The guy who plays Daimon is like someone asked "Can we find someone more bland and forgettable than Sam Worthington and Jai Courtney combined?". That show seemed to be comprised almost entirely of scenes with people talking very seriously about the most uninteresting plot anyone has ever written with the occasional really loving terrible telekinesis fight.
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Oct 20, 2020 22:44
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They saved wardrobe cash by having people wear their dullest street wear from home
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Starks posted:It’s substantially higher risk when you throw money to get an uncharismatic academy award winner as your lead for an extremely dry, hard sci fi that everyone feels like they’ve already seen. I was going to say the same thing, it seems like 'super sad in space' has become a genre for some reason, maybe since Interstellar? There was also that astronaut diaper movie from Noah Hawley with Natalie Portman that tanked too, although I don't know that she ever actually got to be sad in space.
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Oct 20, 2020 23:34
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Junkie Disease posted:Helstrom is the most dead on arrival, no one involved gives a poo poo release I have seen in decades It was so goddam paint by numbers. Even the end, I'm so loving sick of Lilith being used all the time.
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From reading about Helstrom, it sounds like all the mediocrity of Marvel TV Cinematic Universe stuff with all the explicitly Marvel stuff scrubbed off. The best of both worlds!
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Oct 21, 2020 00:24
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Junkie Disease posted:They saved wardrobe cash by having people wear their dullest street wear from home I had a good laugh imagining what it must have been like on the set during the scene where Daimon had to flash dance the devil out of him in that cell without any of the hamfisted serious spooky music and only the "quarterback who got to be in one high school theater production" level of Tom Austens physical acting.
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Oct 21, 2020 01:52
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Kiko and the Wonderbeasts wrapped up on Netflix and stuck the landing. Good arcs for all the characters, and a feel good but earned ending. 3 seasons felt the perfect amount of show. I have to say for a kid friendly show (in Avatar vein)I'm very surprised and pleased they had two fully out happy and healthy gay characters. Like no baiting or beating around the bush or getting fridged. Also I was surprised Karen Fukuhara voiced the main character because they are definitely wasting her talents on The Boys by making her mute.
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Oct 21, 2020 02:17
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:Aww I liked Away it was so very gentle and bland and there wasn't a bad guy it was like what if a low sodium Triscuit and a bowl of plain oatmeal teamed up to write and direct what they thought was a compelling space drama. This poo poo made me laugh pretty hard.
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Oct 21, 2020 02:47
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I'm enjoying The Expanse but there are comical and obvious accommodations made to the show for television audiences. Like it does a pretty decent job of setting up characters' motivations and state of mind through context, and then every time it has Shohreh Aghdashloo* patiently explain those motivations all but directly to the camera like the viewer is an idiot. * or occasionally someone else's character if it wouldn't make sense for her to know about it, I'll give them that much at least e: I haven't read the books, so I can't say for sure, but I'd bet you  the show's politics have been toned down a bit too
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Oct 21, 2020 03:57
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Tried to watch Death of Stalin and made it to the part where all the maids and support staff are being executed on the lawn- so about 30 min in. I guess I just don't get it. Is this supposed to be funny?
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Midgetskydiver posted:Tried to watch Death of Stalin and made it to the part where all the maids and support staff are being executed on the lawn- so about 30 min in. Are you not familiar with black comedy? Death of Stalin is one of the funniest movies I’ve ever seen.
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Oct 21, 2020 06:03
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrO4nqfZoSw Boy who Cried Werewolf Its terrible and fun schlock
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Class Warcraft posted:Are you not familiar with black comedy? Death of Stalin is one of the funniest movies I’ve ever seen. And it comes scarily close to the truth, albeit dramatically ramped all way up. You know it's good when the Russian government got so butthurt they banned it.
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Oct 21, 2020 12:18
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I'm enjoying The Expanse but there are comical and obvious accommodations made to the show for television audiences. Like it does a pretty decent job of setting up characters' motivations and state of mind through context, and then every time it has Shohreh Aghdashloo* patiently explain those motivations all but directly to the camera like the viewer is an idiot. a) I have several friends who have watched The Expanse and have explained that it's hard to follow. I disagree, but then again I read all the books. b) The show is actually pretty faithful to the books, and it's really not that dumbed down. In the last couple of seasons they've merged some characters, and they rushed through the events of book 3 after taking their time with books 1 and 2, but it's pretty faithful. Helps that the authors are writers and producers on the show.
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Oct 21, 2020 15:46
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Man, Yakko sounds old.
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Oct 21, 2020 15:57
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feedmyleg posted:Man, Yakko sounds old. Aging 22 years and throat cancer will do that to a guy.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I'm enjoying The Expanse but there are comical and obvious accommodations made to the show for television audiences. Like it does a pretty decent job of setting up characters' motivations and state of mind through context, and then every time it has Shohreh Aghdashloo* patiently explain those motivations all but directly to the camera like the viewer is an idiot. The main beef I have with The Expanse is that the Designated Protagonist guy is just so thoroughly bland and uninteresting. But at least the show seems to realise it and gives us a lot of time with the much better rest of the cast. Especially Shohreh Aghdashloo.  Oh, speaking of cursed Sci-Fi productions, anybody else tried Another Life? God, what an utter trash fire. Katee Sackhoff tried her drat best, but there was just no salvaging it.
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Maybe I'm misreading things, but from the trailer It seems like it might be a serialized narrative? That seems like a really bad idea if that is the case.
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Thundercracker posted:Kiko and the Wonderbeasts wrapped up on Netflix and stuck the landing. Good arcs for all the characters, and a feel good but earned ending. 3 seasons felt the perfect amount of show. Yeah, the show is amazing and the soundtrack is dope, which isn't surprising since it's the Musica director from Into the Spider-Verse. I'm super excited for my daughter to be old enough to watch this with me and get something out of it. She-Ra as well, which also features Karen Fukuhara in a major role.
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Midgetskydiver posted:Tried to watch Death of Stalin and made it to the part where all the maids and support staff are being executed on the lawn- so about 30 min in. Yeah I used to enjoy movies like that, but for Death of Stalin I wasn't in the mood for multiple casual rape mentions in the first half and never went back to it. Black comedy in general is something I've lost the taste for when I loved it a decade ago.
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SunshineDanceParty posted:Yeah I used to enjoy movies like that, but for Death of Stalin I wasn't in the mood for multiple casual rape mentions in the first half and never went back to it. Real world atrocities only stop being scary when we can laugh about them
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Maybe I'm misreading things, but from the trailer It seems like it might be a serialized narrative? That seems like a really bad idea if that is the case. A lot of this might just be from the first episode.
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