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Oh and that guy is the same one who got in trouble some years ago at Ubisoft for comments https://twitter.com/genepark/status/1319355701861515265?s=21
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FlamingLiberal posted:Keep in mind that Stadia makes you buy almost all games before you can stream them Different kind of streaming.
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Oct 22, 2020 21:42
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correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't think video games even have performance rights like TV shows/movies/music/plays do because up until like a decade ago the idea of needing them would be absurd on the face of it
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Oct 22, 2020 21:58
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food court bailiff posted:correct me if I'm wrong here but I don't think video games even have performance rights like TV shows/movies/music/plays do because up until like a decade ago the idea of needing them would be absurd on the face of it Playing the game doesn’t even seem to be on the same level to me as performing a play or a piece of music. The equivalent of the script or sheet music to me is the original code so the performance is more like the code being compiled or the game running on a PlayStation.
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Gnossiennes posted:actually it's called keysight now lolol Yeah Keysight is definitely the spinoff who has the best claim of being the real HP. They are still carrying on the original HP business. Agilent and Broadcom are close though
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Oct 23, 2020 03:23
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The way I understand the video game streaming rights situation from talking to people who make videos is that as far as Youtube is concerned the publisher 100% owns all footage from their games and the whole streaming/LPing ecosystem only exists because they allow it to (it's not worth the backlash to shut down what's essentially free advertising). They (YT) do make exceptions for fair use but it isn't the wide ranging redditor interpretation where screaming rape jokes over minecraft gameplay qualifies as a transformative work, it's more when you have a real video essay using some snippets of footage or something (Super Bunnyhop went through this when he was mean to Konami and they pettily claimed his video, which he actually challenged succesfully). But also lol way to score yet another own goal for the Stadia team.
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Oct 23, 2020 15:07
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You gotta feel special if you're one of the 25 Stadia users left he's pissing off
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I just don't get the reasoning behind that at all. I bought a product, I can do what I want with it, including showing it to other people. Drum Workshop wouldn't sue me for playing their drums on a youtube channel, and I sure as poo poo wouldn't pay them so I could.
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Oct 23, 2020 16:15
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Maybe they’re afraid if they don’t assert their copyright claims now they won’t be able later when it matters? That’s a bullshit reason, but I can’t think of anything else. It’s like Quibi not giving viewers any way to share screenshots or gifs from their shows...like have they seen the internet in the last 5 years?
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Oct 23, 2020 16:31
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Copyrights last for a fixed term and then expire. Trademarks are the ones that only hold while the company defends them. But realistically, what's happening is that companies see a way they could be making more money now and aren't thinking about how ignoring that will lead to bigger long-term gains.
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Oct 23, 2020 16:34
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ultrafilter posted:Copyrights last for a fixed term and then expire. Trademarks are the ones that only hold while the company defends them. I think it’s more that one specific dipshit that’s inflating his position at a rapidly failing service is thinking about how he could be making more money now and ignoring long term gains. https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1319367395723649024?s=21
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Oct 23, 2020 16:36
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Dumb Guy does make a good point about all the LP/Tuber poo poo being a gentleman's agreement basically. It just takes Nintendo/EA going "hey we're debuting a Creator tier $5 to stream any of our games" for the rest of the companies to go all in
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Oct 23, 2020 16:39
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https://twitter.com/CTVMontreal/status/1319629660297179136?s=20 Oh no a nostalgic Canadian retailer that nobody has shopped at in 15 years is closing!
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FilthyImp posted:Dumb Guy does make a good point about all the LP/Tuber poo poo being a gentleman's agreement basically. It just takes Nintendo/EA going "hey we're debuting a Creator tier $5 to stream any of our games" for the rest of the companies to go all in Didn't Nintendo already try that before and it was a complete hash?
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Krispy Wafer posted:It’s like Quibi not giving viewers any way to share screenshots or gifs from their shows...like have they seen the internet in the last 5 years? the weird thing is netflix does this too go try and screencap something on netflix and you'll get an unpleasant surprise
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Krispy Wafer posted:It’s like Quibi not giving viewers any way to share screenshots or gifs from their shows...like have they seen the internet in the last 5 years? this was incredibly galaxy-brained, I just love it. an explicitly anti-virality play in 2020 I spend way too much time online, have a short attention span, am willing to pay a few bucks to try something out that might be fun, and am permanently connected to one or more screens. I’m the ideal prospective customer and all I know about Quibi is that Anna Kendrick plays a sex doll or something. I couldn’t even tell you what their logo looks like. Just a stunning own goal. ultrafilter posted:Copyrights last for a fixed term and then expire. Trademarks are the ones that only hold while the company defends them. I mean, in theory they expire, but I don’t see no public domain Steamboat Willy mashups. There’s a trademark-adjacent issue here that we might see come up, which is that a publisher might decide that they don’t want their game associated with a certain streamer because of their behaviour. Imagine Nintendo’s reaction to someone streaming nude Animal Crossing on OnlyFans, for example,. That could be the opening shot in publishers asserting control over performance rights. Then maybe a counter-trend of marketing based on “steamer-friendly” licenses, and finally a fragmenting of Twitch into per-publisher services like we see happening in movies/TV. ah, to dream ninja: I stand by “steamer”
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:the weird thing is netflix does this too And yet somehow you can find a plethora of Witcher gifs the day after the show premieres. So what you’re saying is life...um, finds a way unless your context largely sucks like Quibi’s?
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Subjunctive posted:There’s a trademark-adjacent issue here that we might see come up, which is that a publisher might decide that they don’t want their game associated with a certain streamer because of their behaviour. This is currently going on with the VirtualYoutubers. One of them is straight up not allowed to stream ArkKnights on their "work" streams anymore.
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Subjunctive posted:I mean, in theory they expire, but I don’t see no public domain Steamboat Willy mashups. Steamboat Willie enters the public domain on January 1st, 2024.
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Gnossiennes posted:and i think you're confusing meg whitman with carly fiorina Fiorina was in charge when real-HP split off printers-HP, but it wasn't her decision. Her "big idea" was buying PwC (failed) and Compaq (succeeded) - you can argue that she got rid of the "spirit of HP" and turned it into just a printers-n-services company, but Whitman ruined even that bit. Fiorina was a "controversial" CEO, everyone thinks that Whiman was just loving awful both in the short and long term.
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ultrafilter posted:Steamboat Willie enters the public domain on January 1st, 2024. Lmao if you think it'll stay that way. It'd be far from the first time Disney gets copyright lengths pushed back farther.
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ultrafilter posted:Steamboat Willie enters the public domain on January 1st, 2024. Here’s hoping!
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Sighence posted:Lmao if you think it'll stay that way. It'd be far from the first time Disney gets copyright lengths pushed back farther. Congress had the option to extend copyright in 2018 but it didn't. A whole bunch of stuff went into the public domain in 2019. Disney's IP situation is complicated but just having this one cartoon in the public domain doesn't mean that they completely lose rights for Mickey Mouse. Mickey Mouse will be public domain soon—here’s what that means has a pretty good overview of the way things stand right now.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Didn't Nintendo already try that before and it was a complete hash? https://www.polygon.com/2018/11/28/18117166/nintendo-creator-program-ends-streaming-content-monetization-guidelines Looks like they do still have "rules" for streaming their games though, which is more than I think anyone else does. I'm guessing these aren't really enforceable, especially not globally. https://www.nintendo.co.jp/networkservice_guideline/en/index.html
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2024 will be a dystopian nightmare hellscape, but at least you'll be able to ease your troubled mind at a massage parlor called "Mickey's Jack Shack"
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Krispy Wafer posted:And yet somehow you can find a plethora of Witcher gifs the day after the show premieres.
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Haifisch posted:It's not like they can do anything about desktop users pressing print screen or using capture tools. It's just mobile apps that can disable the screenshot button. nope, you actually can't print screen netflix on desktop, and afaik the same fuckery happens if you try to use OBS to get screenshots of netflix stuff you have to  it now, afaik. if you try to screenshot within the browser it replaces the video with a black screen in the screenshot
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:nope, you actually can't print screen netflix on desktop, and afaik the same fuckery happens if you try to use OBS what happens if it's running in a VM and you screenshot that? like, at some point pixels have to hit a drat screen
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divabot posted:what happens if it's running in a VM and you screenshot that?
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Fuckin bizarre that you can't print screen considering how easy it is to record poo poo with a 3rd party program. What, are they afraid someone is going to copy a show frame by frame and publish a flipbook of it??
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Maybe I'm just misunderstanding, but I literally just opened Netflix and took a screencap and copied it to paint. Worked just fine.
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Oct 24, 2020 01:18
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Firefox lets you screen capture DRM content for some reason.
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Maybe it's cause of the firefox thing. I was just able to print screen and snip tool on netflix just now.
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chrome, actually, which makes this even weirder because i'm pretty sure firefox and chrome use the same backend nowadays
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I just used the Microsoft Snipping Tool to screencap Netflix on Firefox. Print Screen and pasting into Paint works too. Too lazy to try in Chrome.
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:chrome, actually, which makes this even weirder because i'm pretty sure firefox and chrome use the same backend nowadays no, they do not
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:2024 will be a dystopian nightmare hellscape, but at least you'll be able to ease your troubled mind at a massage parlor called "Mickey's Jack Shack" Trademarks are forever. You can copy “Steamboat Willie” itself. Anything creative with the Mickey character is still forbidden. divabot posted:what happens if it's running in a VM and you screenshot that? If they were serious, Netflix would refuse to run in a VM because it doesn’t have a functional HDCP chain. The pixels do have to interface with our analogue eyes, but the point at which decryption happens can be within the monitor and difficult to work with. It’s still ultimately doomed to failure because only one group of pirates has to break it and it’s free for everyone.
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:chrome, actually, which makes this even weirder because i'm pretty sure firefox and chrome use the same backend nowadays Firefox is the only browser of any significance whose backend is not related to Chrome’s.
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Platystemon posted:Firefox is the only browser of any significance whose backend is not related to Chrome’s. Isn’t Safari different? At one point both Safari and Chrome used webkit, but then Chrome forked into its own direction. But yeah, it’s Safari, Firefox, and Chrome. Even Microsoft uses the same fundamentals as Chrome now I think.
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