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nemesis_hub posted:This makes me think of a question for the thread. What are the best “so bad it’s good” comics of all time? Who is the Tommy Wiseau of comic books? I know about Fletcher Hanks, and I remember those deranged Double Take comics that Bill Jemas was behind as being hilarious. What else is there? To qualify, it’d have to be entertainingly bad, so notoriously bad stuff like Austen’s X-Men doesn’t count. Calling Marville the Tommy Wiseau of comic books is being a little cruel to Tommy I'd say.
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site posted:Where is the good part At the end even where despite being in her early 20's where May suddenly decides to start dressing like her Silver Age grandma self.
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Dawgstar posted:At the end even where despite being in her early 20's where May suddenly decides to start dressing like her Silver Age grandma self. Sounds pretty standard for a Queens hipster?
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site posted:Where is the good part Well, the art is by the Dodsons, so that?
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muscles like this! posted:There's Batman: Odyssey where Neal Adams has Batman espouse a belief in the crackpot expanding Earth theory and Batman travels into a hollow Earth. Honestly, *anything* Neal Adams writes. Like Skateman. Or his self-published Ms. Mystic, which gave us panels like these:
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nemesis_hub posted:This makes me think of a question for the thread. What are the best “so bad it’s good” comics of all time? Who is the Tommy Wiseau of comic books? I know about Fletcher Hanks, and I remember those deranged Double Take comics that Bill Jemas was behind as being hilarious. What else is there? To qualify, it’d have to be entertainingly bad, so notoriously bad stuff like Austen’s X-Men doesn’t count. People still read the Clone Saga. They must get some enjoyment out of how bad it is.
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lifg posted:People still read the Clone Saga. They must get some enjoyment out of how bad it is. I feel attacked
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While mostly poo poo as a whole The Clone Saga contains within it some really good Spidey stories.
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Unmature posted:Don’t you dare call Fletcher Hanks bad If Hanks had just written his bonkers stories and stopped there, he'd be akin to Ed Wood. But by all accounts he was a total POS which 1) Explains a lot of his writing, and 2) Means he gets no kindness in turn. Hell, he's lucky he managed to be remembered at all: it's better than he deserved. But yeah, I can't think of anything that goes beyond Marville when it comes to something that went off the rails so hard that by the end it had annihilated the very concept of rails. Compared to that. Frank Miller fails at a sequel (And I thought "DKRIII: Master Race", which he contributed to but had others doing most of the work, was actually pretty good and shows that there's still traces of the talent that turned the 80's comic world on its head) and Aunt May as a young woman has sexual fun is positively sublime. Cornwind Evil fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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World Watch maybe? Where the evil Hulk was going to rape the Wonder Woman stand in?
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lifg posted:People still read the Clone Saga. They must get some enjoyment out of how bad it is. I did it because punishing myself is the only way I can feel anymore.
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Rhyno posted:World Watch maybe? Where the evil Hulk was going to rape the Wonder Woman stand in? I went and looked this up. Eh, it's basically a Garth Ennis Avatar comic with the adult dial turned more towards masturbatory appeal than toilet humor with the usual misogyny dusting. I wouldn't really file it under 'so bad it's fun'.
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 07:11 |
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Two comics spring to mind as completely incoherent but dramatic and gestural enough to be fun. Both are by two writers very very emblematic of the shortcomings of 90s Big Two comics-- long on ambition and big ideas, short on being able to commit to or execute those ideas with much fluency. One is Terry Kavanagh's Moon Knight which attempts to weld a ton of extra knick knacks and frills to an already baggy concept, and collapses into totally meaningless bombast and hyper-baroque conspiracy theory plotlines by the end. The other is Howard Mackie's Mutant X, which is essentially if an especially deranged What If? was somehow permitted to last for 32, with Mackie veering wildly around from one grand vision to another until the series just slams into a wall. A nice example is that in the early days of the series, one of the high concepts of this alternate world is that anti-mutant prejudice has totally gone away, and that whatever other troubles there might be, that isn't one of them. Eventually, though, Mackie just changes his mind and says that no, in, anti-mutant prejudice is way worse than in 616 but our viewpoint character just forgot to notice it. It all culminates in a 100% unhinged scheme between Dracula, the Beyonder, and a Goblyn Queen-themed analogue to the Phoenix Force. When I was in middle school it was the best of all possible comics. Mutant X is famously bad but it's also, in my opinion, extremely fun just in how frantically Mackie is throwing ideas around.
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 07:23 |
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These are all good suggestions, and yes I definitely meant writing that aims high and fails spectacularly in a way that ends up funny or entertaining. There is some really goofy Silver Age stuff for sure, and it’s entertaining to read, but it doesn’t quite hit the feeling I’m looking for. That Neal Adams page is a perfect example because it clearly aims for profundity but is so overwrought that it sounds silly, to the point that it’s kinda funny. How Wonderful! posted:Two comics spring to mind as completely incoherent but dramatic and gestural enough to be fun. Both are by two writers very very emblematic of the shortcomings of 90s Big Two comics-- long on ambition and big ideas, short on being able to commit to or execute those ideas with much fluency. One is Terry Kavanagh's Moon Knight which attempts to weld a ton of extra knick knacks and frills to an already baggy concept, and collapses into totally meaningless bombast and hyper-baroque conspiracy theory plotlines by the end. Now THIS is the good stuff.
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Selachian posted:Honestly, *anything* Neal Adams writes. Like Skateman. Or his self-published Ms. Mystic, which gave us panels like these: That deer looks like it's vomiting lava.
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Rhyno posted:World Watch maybe? Where the evil Hulk was going to rape the Wonder Woman stand in? Oh, right. The OTHER Chuck Austen comic which as noted only qualifies for the 'so bad' part. I believe he thought he was doing the Authority but sexy. Edit: I'd forgotten they pretended to fire him off the book before just cancelling it outright because nobody cared. Dawgstar fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Oct 28, 2020 |
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Mackie was good at throwing entertaining concepts out there fast enough that it seemed like they would eventually make sense and eventually go somewhere and that spun maybe twelve issues of competent Ghost Rider plot into like two hundred issues of byzantine Midnight Sons absolute bullshit so good on him for finding his niche
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 14:41 |
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He took on the main plotting duties during and after the Clone Saga, all the way up to Byrnes run and any time his name is on a Spider-Man comic you know it's gonna be bad.
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 14:46 |
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He also finished out X-Factor's original run which was also just an interminable slog. Although that's where we found out Random pulled a Billy Batson and was actually a teenager which does make a lot of sense considering Random.
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One of my favourite details in Mutant X is that Havok’s basically Quantum Leaped into the body of his counterpart from that universe. And this is never addressed! Everyone who figures out he’s not their Havok is basically “that’s cool, our Havok’s a dick” and the question of what actually happened to that universe’s native Havok never really comes up.
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 17:12 |
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I don't know if I would say "so bad it's good" but I do have a soft spot for Lobo comics (except Nu-Bo which was just bad). I mean you aren't getting high absurd concept but I find them enjoyable so there is that.
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Angry Salami posted:One of my favourite details in Mutant X is that Havok’s basically Quantum Leaped into the body of his counterpart from that universe. And this is never addressed! Everyone who figures out he’s not their Havok is basically “that’s cool, our Havok’s a dick” and the question of what actually happened to that universe’s native Havok never really comes up. Didn't they state he died and that was why Alex was able to take his body?
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 18:16 |
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"Bad Havok" has shown up a few times since I think. Sort of a possessing force.
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 18:36 |
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Mutant X is one of the few series that I went back and re-bought as an adult. A+ would recommend that to everyone. It's legit not good, but it is wild.
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# ? Oct 28, 2020 20:59 |
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In like literally the second to last issue, iirc, Captain American goes berserk at the sight of Canadian super-soldiers and begins to grow like the Hulk, explode people with his mind, and shoot energy out of his mouth and eyes at everybody because he was secretly capable of that all along. It rules so much. It's like a middle school D&D campaign.
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How Wonderful! posted:In like literally the second to last issue, iirc, Captain American goes berserk at the sight of Canadian super-soldiers and begins to grow like the Hulk, explode people with his mind, and shoot energy out of his mouth and eyes at everybody because he was secretly capable of that all along. It rules so much. It's like a middle school D&D campaign. I just started reading it, Reed Richards not being smart is kinda great on it's own.
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How Wonderful! posted:In like literally the second to last issue, iirc, Captain American goes berserk at the sight of Canadian super-soldiers and begins to grow like the Hulk, explode people with his mind, and shoot energy out of his mouth and eyes at everybody because he was secretly capable of that all along. It rules so much. It's like a middle school D&D campaign. This sounds hilarious
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site posted:This sounds hilarious Mutant X was also the comic where the U.S. and Canada fought each other in World War IV.
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 00:20 |
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I've only read two issues of Mutant X and the first issue make it seem like a normal what if where the only difference is Alex Summers survived the plane crash and Scott didn't, but the second issue has a dumb rear end Reed Richards
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 02:02 |
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I thought you guys were talking about the early 2000s TV show at first
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Selachian posted:
At least in the marvel universe this isn’t totally illogical
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 02:38 |
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In hindsight, Mutant X really should have been an Exiles-type series, with a different wacky alternate universe every issue. But instead they're all crammed into one, so it's just one crazy universe with every idea that caught Mackie's attention for a week thrown together.
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 04:03 |
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the best minor detail of mutant x is that they have cerebra but also cerebro and the latter is some sorta douglock deathlok
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 04:32 |
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I have a question about Hawkman (weird, right?). In his current series, he's Carter Hall, adventuring archaeologist, but from what I know of Hawkman (Carter Hall version) he's supposed to be incredibly violent, headstrong and just kinda brutal in his crime fighting, but in this series he's kinda...just boring? Like, he's not really violent or anything and he seems to have lived for a long, long time (long enough so that he has confidants, friends and helpers from around the world where he'd saved either their great grandfathers or something generations back). I know his whole reincarnation deal, but in his previous lives, he was different people. In this series the people he talks to give the impression that he's been around for a good hundred or so years. Did Hawkman got rebooted again when he came back in Metal? Is this Carter Hall the same violent guy from this panel? Has he always been alive since, like, the 1800's or something?
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# ? Oct 29, 2020 17:27 |
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Not having read current Hawkman comics, I don't have an answer for you. I just wanted to make sure you knew what you were doing by asking a question about Hawkman continuity. The seal has been broken.
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Selachian posted:
Is there some lore I'm missing about the Marvel universe where World War III happened?
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SonicRulez posted:Is there some lore I'm missing about the Marvel universe where World War III happened? I don't remember the details, but Mutant X took place in an alternate universe where Havok, rather than Cyclops, was the founding leader of the X-Men. Hence Mackie's freedom to go nuts as possible without screwing up the 616 continuity.
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Selachian posted:I don't remember the details, but Mutant X took place in an alternate universe where Havok, rather than Cyclops, was the founding leader of the X-Men. Hence Mackie's freedom to go nuts as possible without screwing up the 616 continuity. Yup. Mutant X takes place in an alternate reality. Storm got turned int oa vampire by Dracula, Beast started experimenting even more into himself and turned green, dumb and aquatic, Ice-man got cursed by Loki and other things. It had some neat ideas.
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# ? Oct 30, 2020 16:02 |
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Just saw that the Judge Dredd IDW books are on sale on Comixology. Are they good? How is it different than 2000 AD ones?
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I really like them. It’s like Ultimate Spider-Man, it has all the big stories in one consistent plot.
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