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evilweasel posted:the central problem with your argument is the same thing that the intercept's editors were trying to very politely tell glenn: if you want to accuse biden of corruption for what his son was doing it is a problem when all the evidence shows biden had no loving idea about any of it
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If we’re sharing nov 2016 moment of horror stories I recall I had an election unrelated- massive horrible family argument the night of the election, went to bed mad cause I was too annoyed to enjoy the expected night, and it was immediately followed by tearful hugs and clinging to each other reconciliation the next morning.
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selec posted:This smells like some of that whataboutism that Russia invented. We can walk and chew gum! In fact, I think it’s an even stronger point considering how bipartisan the tradition of dumping your useless kid into do-nothing jobs. It's not really whataboutism when Trump and his circle are the ones who started throwing this poo poo around to begin with.
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evilweasel posted:the central problem with your argument is the same thing that the intercept's editors were trying to very politely tell glenn: if you want to accuse biden of corruption for what his son was doing it is a problem when all the evidence shows biden had no loving idea about any of it My argument isn’t that Joe is definitely corrupt, though he is, you don’t get into the senate to represent Delaware without being the avatar of capital, an inherent and inerasable stain IMHO, YMMV. But if the Big Guy texts are real and it’s Joe, that’s as close as a smoking gun we’ll get. Why would Hunter have to hold somebody else’s share for them? If the texts are real (and I’m still leaning towards them being real) then there are some really good questions we don’t have answers for. Joe Biden isn’t as dirty as Trump, but he is by no means clean and it’s extremely pollyannaish to act like there isn’t stink-lines emerging from this whole thing that aren’t drawn in by Rudy or Glenn. Either all these people working with Hunter were stupid as gently caress for not knowing how incorruptible Joe Biden (D-MBNA) is, or they were playing along with how they and Hunter understand the system to work. Hunter traded on his name his entire adult life, is he was unable to get anything on the basis of that name, that would be a hilarious and exculpatory story to tell, but we’ll never hear it.
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Propaganda Hour posted:Yikes!! Are you okay? Did your bike get damaged? Bikes ruined. Broken finger, nose, and lost two teeth. He had insurance and I had four witnesses backing me up Still got lucky as gently caress.
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Murgos posted:That state legislatures aren't bound by the rules they have created in *just this one area of elections* is actually an absurdist position. They have the authority to decide how the electors are apportioned and if they made law that tells them how to do that then they must follow it. It shouldn't be surprising that every state does have laws that tell the legislature what to do. There is no ambiguity here. It is gaslighting to suggest that the United States doesn't know how to conduct elections suddenly here in year 2020 of the common era. Of course thats absurd, but thats not the position they are taking at all. What you are describing is not what any of the recent Supreme Court decisions have said-- any of them, including Kavanaugh's rear end concurrence. Which is probably why it seems absurd. It is. evilweasel posted:of course it does, but that's not the argument You aren't understanding the doctrine of equal footing for states. Its not that you must always treat all states equally. Its that there is a baseline assumption that all states have the same rights and are entitled to be treated equally. Any deviation from that is permissible, but is subject to balancing tests and scrutiny standards. Its why the VRA was upheld in the first place in 1966. Your more recent post makes more sense, but you are still making these sweeping pronouncements like "nonsense" or "laughable" which says, to me, that you aren't actually engaging with any of this discussion, and have an unearned opinion of your own "rightness" here. But be that as it may, you aren't actually saying anything that cuts against the argument the majority made. Because everything you are saying ultimately comes back around to the actual argument the majority did make, which is the legislature needed to show that evidence of why these particular states are subject to heightened scrutiny. Its not that they can't treat these states differently-- but there needs to be a justification. The majority held that Congress failed to meet that burden by merely re-authorizing decade after decade without any modification or perfunctory evidence to justify why these particular states are singled out. They held that the bare recitation of the same logic from ~60 years ago was insufficient. The Executive Branch offered its own evidence, after the fact, but that doesn't get to why these states were singled out in the first place and others weren't. Which, again, is not something I agree with. But its not an asspull or totally made up bullshit. Which is all I've been trying to say. Grayly Squirrel fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Oct 29, 2020 |
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Angry_Ed posted:Burisma relying on Hunter Biden for name trading/protection sure bit them in the rear end when Joe Biden (and most of the EU and US governments) had Ukraine fire their corrupt prosecutor general for not investigating Burisma Weirdly, the part where Hunter ranted about trying to protect his family's good name from Tony Bobulinski and ultimately told him it was an unequivocal no from Joe also keeps getting overlooked. What a strange coincidence.
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Pick posted:I didn't drink during 2016s election night. This is different.A hangover can last up to 72 hours. My answer is, Yep AusGoon here. I've taken the day off work, and plan on having a BBQ and day drinking all the way through the election coverage. The results should hopefully come through by 5pm on Wednesday, our time, and whether or not I'll be drinking in celebration or sadness very much depends on you lot. Don't let me down, America - I want to drink happy beers!
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Heeeey. Is it too late to swing in and say “lol gently caress Glenn Greenwald”? Because gently caress that guy, he sucks.
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nine-gear crow posted:Heeeey. Is it too late to swing in and say “lol gently caress Glenn Greenwald”? Because gently caress that guy, he sucks. The evergreen answer is a solid nope
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nine-gear crow posted:Heeeey. Is it too late to swing in and say “lol gently caress Glenn Greenwald”? Because gently caress that guy, he sucks. he can still go on the nazi's show now that yet another platform refuses to deal with him
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selec posted:My argument isn’t that Joe is definitely corrupt, though he is, you don’t get into the senate to represent Delaware without being the avatar of capital, an inherent and inerasable stain IMHO, YMMV. Really the bolded is the most important 'unanswered question' element, honestly. Like, Occam's Razor applies to this poo poo, so either these assorted groups wanted to genuinely do business with Hunter and the other Biden (Joe's brother, right?) because of their expertise and possibly getting Joe himself involved was just a bonus...or it was vise-versa, and the main selling point was an access point to a man with nearly fifty years of connections in American power. Like, no poo poo Trump is more corrupt, and Don Jr going around screaming about this is loving hilarious, but it is a bit troubling that the media is proving they have zero curiosity for investigating questions that come up under Joe as long as you can wave it away with 'well Trump was worse though', and that's a trend we've seen before. Or, in short, the Hunter story is likely indeed a pretty mundane 'this was unethical but legal' thing that countless families like his do, but it's more the fact that it represents a lack of interest in finding answers by the media as long as their ideological peers are the main parties involved, and that's...not...good?
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It doesn't strain credibility that Biden (or any politician) would find a way to cash in. I find myself unable to believe that Biden would chose to do so through his gently caress-up son.
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Oct 29, 2020 22:26
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Keep seeing signs telling me Socialism bans religion and, like, alright I guess.
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It is absolutely unbelievable both-sides-ism to imply that deliberate corruption--deliberate, direct corruption--is the same as just being a politician from [State] because they're inherently corrupt. That is balls to the wall stupid as hell
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PhazonLink posted:i'm a stress sober-er and on 2016-11-whatever night I had a bottle of stout I was going to enjoy, but then i just stayed up all night, into morning, and went to sleep at 11AM. Yeah, that was me. I got absolutely wasted in 08 and 2012, but I was too depressed to drink in 2016
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://twitter.com/JoeMyGod/status/1321907173169885184?s=20 Soon we'll see republicans that love freedom so much the devolve into evernudes save for the guns duct taped to their guts and a thin blue line flag-cape.
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https://twitter.com/NilesGApol/status/1321924177205538816 Ossoff really bodied him yesterday.
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sexpig by night posted:Really the bolded is the most important 'unanswered question' element, honestly. Like, Occam's Razor applies to this poo poo, so either these assorted groups wanted to genuinely do business with Hunter and the other Biden (Joe's brother, right?) because of their expertise and possibly getting Joe himself involved was just a bonus...or it was vise-versa, and the main selling point was an access point to a man with nearly fifty years of connections in American power. Like, no poo poo Trump is more corrupt, and Don Jr going around screaming about this is loving hilarious, but it is a bit troubling that the media is proving they have zero curiosity for investigating questions that come up under Joe as long as you can wave it away with 'well Trump was worse though', and that's a trend we've seen before. To be clear though most of the people making the accusations are also clearly not interested in finding answers either, using things like him pressuring Ukraine to fire the corrupt guy who buried the investigation against Burisma (which makes no sense at all). His kid getting that job was obvious corruption, but they throw in other garbage that makes it obvious they don't actually give a poo poo about the corruption, either. It makes you feel insane because then the Biden defenders take that to 11 and pretend it wasn't corrupt at all, and the only conclusion is that everyone is a loving piece of poo poo (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Remember when all these shitheads got mad because Obama said they'd cling to their guns and religion?
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selec posted:Joe Biden isn’t as dirty as Trump, but he is by no means clean and it’s extremely pollyannaish to act like there isn’t stink-lines emerging from this whole thing that aren’t drawn in by Rudy or Glenn. Its easily to believe that Joe Biden is dirty ("dirty politician" is basically a redundant statement) but its really weird how nothing in this story ends with concrete examples of wrong-doing on Joe Biden's part. The right is screeching that this is because the media isn't investigating, but it appears (based on these emails, the WSJ piece, etc) that the media was investigating and is just finding nothing. That doesn't mean Joe is clean but if the right going to make a case that I should vote for Donald loving Trump or a third party then they need to pony up some harder evidence that not only proves the wrong-doing but lets me gauge the scope. At this point, even if Joe is dirty whats the scope of wrong-doing? He got money from a Chinese firm, and the firm got ??? With Trump we know what the ??? is but there's no coherent story behind the Biden stuff, other than the prosecutor firing accusation which is thoroughly disproven.
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canepazzo posted:https://twitter.com/NilesGApol/status/1321924177205538816 Evidently. And that is reeeeeeeeaaaaaaalllll smart to run from a debate after getting bodied and attach yourself to a boat anchor.
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Lemming posted:To be clear though most of the people making the accusations are also clearly not interested in finding answers either, using things like him pressuring Ukraine to fire the corrupt guy who buried the investigation against Burisma (which makes no sense at all). His kid getting that job was obvious corruption, but they throw in other garbage that makes it obvious they don't actually give a poo poo about the corruption, either. It's one of those things that gets endlessly memory holed for reasons pointed out by selec and because people feel like you can't talk about X subject in good faith if the opposition has attempted to weaponize X in favor of scoring points. Sucks, honestly. https://twitter.com/abgutman/status/1321918855170633731
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Me and my wife spent election night 2016 cradling a terrified on-the-spectrum 11 year old who was WAY too plugged into politics for his age. He’s been spending the last four years studying politics and history, so I hope like HELL I don’t have to go through that again. His anxiety is already high and I’ve been doing my best to be positive yet grounded in reality.
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Lemming posted:To be clear though most of the people making the accusations are also clearly not interested in finding answers either, using things like him pressuring Ukraine to fire the corrupt guy who buried the investigation against Burisma (which makes no sense at all). His kid getting that job was obvious corruption, but they throw in other garbage that makes it obvious they don't actually give a poo poo about the corruption, either. right that's also a factor, which could be eliminated (at least in a meaningful way) by reports just...doing their job? Like what's the worst case of looking into this stuff? You come out a couple days later saying 'yea we couldn't find any party involved who would say they had dealings with Joe himself, these are some obvious nepotism issues still but as far as we can see Joe had no hand in this process'? I just don't see the upside of ignoring it entirely, I guess. It doesn't just go away because Trump world will always scream about it and the media being in on everything and all, it's not like Fox execs are going to go 'guys CNN isn't covering this, we should ignore it'.
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I was on vacation, doing a roadtrip up the west coast with my then fiancee, and we went out to a nice dinner. Got back to the hotel, saw the results, and I cried. And then proceeded to get kept up until 4 AM by the battery dying in a smoke alarm. The Beeps. So Many Beeps. Why the gently caress is a smoke alarm in a hotel room not tied to the electrical in the building? I thought at first I was overreacting with the sobs, but three days in and it was proven to be way underreacting and it's been AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH ever since. Weed helps. I don't drink much anymore though.
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 What a dork ryde posted:Its easily to believe that Joe Biden is dirty ("dirty politician" is basically a redundant statement) but its really weird how nothing in this story ends with concrete examples of wrong-doing on Joe Biden's part. The right is screeching that this is because the media isn't investigating, but it appears (based on these emails, the WSJ piece, etc) that the media was investigating and is just finding nothing. Weirdly enough the fact that Biden is like one of the poorest senators AND their screeching insistence that Biden is rich makes me think there really is not a lot of corruption attached to Joe himself. He seems like a weirdly honest dude, if one that sucks in quite a few places on policy. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Oct 29, 2020 |
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cool kids inc. posted:Why the gently caress is a smoke alarm in a hotel room not tied to the electrical in the building?
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Nessus posted:So you don't die in your sleep if the power goes out and also there is a fire, pretty much. I would have thought regs would require a wired alarm with battery backup but  E: Love to burn my remaining bridges with the left, just to publish a story being peddled by a literal deepfaked source https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1321928331835723776?s=19 Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Oct 29, 2020 |
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Nessus posted:So you don't die in your sleep if the power goes out and also there is a fire, pretty much. Modern building codes require the smoke alarms be wired up AND have a battery backup. If the building was last built/updated several decades ago it might only have battery smoke alarms.
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SirPablo posted:Soon we'll see republicans that love freedom so much the devolve into evernudes save for the guns duct taped to their guts and a thin blue line flag-cape. Performative and public displays of faith are considered unholy by Jesus. This comes up in the gospels, but I’m not going to read that trash again to remember where.
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Like, we're never going to give non-corrupt politicians any incentive not to be corrupt if we just assume they're corrupt anyway even if extreme levels of vetting don't reveal any corruption Like there is no more thorough level of being vetted than running for president. What level of not finding anything would appease the people who are just saying that it has to be there, even if there's absolutely no evidence of it? It's nuts. And "failson got a good job banking on his dad's name" is not actually corruption. The degree to which people move the goalposts to ensure that no matter what someone's corrupt if you don't like them, again, removes the incentive to just not be corrupt in the first place.
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Hairy Marionette posted:Performative and public displays of faith are considered unholy by Jesus. This comes up in the gospels, but I’m not going to read that trash again to remember where. Matthew 6:1-34 ESV posted:“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ... TulliusCicero posted:Weirdly enough the fact that Biden is like one of the poorest senators AND their screeching insistence that Biden is rich makes me think there really is not a lot of corruption attached to Joe himself. He seems like a weirdly honest dude, if one that sucks in quite a few places on policy. This is one of the things I find weirdest about Joe. Bernie seems to be on the straight and narrow, and he seemed to have more money than Joe too. Maybe its just that Joe hides his wealth very very well? God knows there's plenty of people willing to do that. In some ways it lets your imagination run wild as opposed to knowing the banal reality. ryde fucked around with this message at 22:50 on Oct 29, 2020 |
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TLM3101 posted:As someone who was fully anticipating a Clinton win in 2016? Do not count your chickens before they hatch. Medullah posted:Not going to lie, my drinking has been BAD this year. I've made a commitment to myself that if Biden wins I'm going to detach from following day to day politics and cut back severely. But with the way this year has been, it's been rough.
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TulliusCicero posted:
That’s true, which is why having Hunter get his 20 points and hold another 10 for Big Guy would be a big deal, depending on the identity of Big Guy. Pick, Delaware is (in part) a fiefdom of the DuPont dynasty. Beau let a DuPont off for raping his kid, and Joe has never done a thing in his life that would make them uncomfortable. I’m sorry I don’t have any signed documents that show the Bidens agreeing to be the liege of the powers that be but pattern recognition leads one to believe that the family might be overly deferential to the ruling class in a way that is just essentially corrupt. If you aren’t a fan of the system we live under, you tend to have a moralistic understanding of corruption that doesn’t always dovetail with the legalistic definitions that have been whittled away to make it almost impossible to charge politicians with corruption, a situation where the exceptions prove the rule. You have be flagrantly, undeniably corrupt to get bitten. The rest is just giving no-show jobs to failsons and fixing them up with extra shares for Big Guy.
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I mean, he's one of the poorest but a lot of people around him have gotten rich so it's pretty clear his flavor of corruption is more general graft and influence peddling than Trump style overt kleptocracy. The corporations and interests he's served have gotten very wealthy and they know who helped them get there. I mean, you guys know the DuPont company basically just own the state of Delaware and Biden and his whole family are famously their most ardent defenders on the national stage, right? It's really weird to act like there's no proof of Biden ever being corrupt when he's spent his life just working for a private company (one of the most genuinely evil ones in America too) as a politician, just because he was smart enough to never take a physical check for it... Also, ya know, his dead kid got a DuPont failson off of raping his own toddler, it feels like if a Trump kid did that, living or dead, we'd never not be talking about that.
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evilweasel posted:if you want to accuse biden of corruption for what his son was doing it is a problem when all the evidence shows biden had no loving idea about any of it Kinda hurts that he only remembered this tidbit after his first two media appearances failed to break through
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