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Clancy was good at telling a tense, detailed mil-wank thriller yarn (The Sum of All Fears was a genuine nail-biter - coincidentally, his last "good" novel as its events pulled Clancyworld irreversibly away from the real one) and terrible at anything involving politics, because he could not stop jamming his proto-chud treatises on how America and the world should be run if not for those goddamn cowardly liberals and atheists and Muslims and environmentalists and tiny-penised sumbitch Chinese commies ruining everything for true hot-blooded American manly male men. Unfortunately, his later novels became all about the politics. The Bear and the Dragon (which is laughably, MST3K-worthy bad in every way) stops for literally pages so
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:Has any right wing author taken up the mantle of Clancy’s particular brand of military wank? Neal Stephenson
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:Has any right wing author taken up the mantle of Clancy’s particular brand of military wank? In addition to what other folks posted, Clancy's own brand took up the mantle. He stopped writing over a decade before he died, all of his books from then on instead of being TOM CLANCY'S SUCH AND SUCH, became TOM CLANCY SUCH AND SUCH by John Smith. Because of this there was a steady stream of "his" stuff coming out and even his death didn't interrupt it at all. The most recent "TOM CLANCY" book came out is TOM CLANCY FIRING POINT: A JACK RYAN JR.* NOVEL by Mike Maden. It came out in April 2020. And then there's also the other ones where Jack Ryan/his son exists but isn't the main character where all the real crazy poo poo with like the North Korean headed evil cabal of NK+Russia+Iran conquer Alaska with gravity weapons or whatever the gently caress. *Sometimes these are published as TOM CLANCY [TITLE] JACK RYAN UNIVERSE BOOK#25 or whatever. So others have taken up the mantle as living authors of this stuff, but the shroud of Tom Clancy will envelop them all forever. Neo Rasa fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Oct 30, 2020 |
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The best thing Tom Clancy ever made was the DVD Commentary for Sum of All Fears where he spends the entire time picking apart every inaccuracy and change to the book right in front of the director: https://youtu.be/Iwtg0T-jMF0 https://youtu.be/MrLIpxh_mbA https://youtu.be/gadJ10w1sp4 https://youtu.be/QKLxmkSbSOk
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The Cold War stuff is legit good spy/milwank. It helps that it’s all low-key stuff like “a sub captain is trying to defect” or “we need to get a compromised agent out of Moscow” until Sum’s crescendo (or a stand-alone WW3 novel).
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muscles like this! posted:An issue Clancy ended up with was after years of writing these political thrillers with constantly escalating stories he ended up with a world that didn't look anything like ours. Which was a problem when he tried to integrate real world events like 9/11. Which would barely be a blip on the radar considering the US had previously been nuked and a good chunk of congress was killed in a plane related attack. This winds up a problem in any serialized drama even remotely connected to politics, especially on television where there's strong pressure to escalate the stakes each season. Like, House of Cards (an exceptionally bad show) went through an oil crisis, a Katrina-sized hurricane, a Watergate-esque scandal, and multiple large-scale terrorist attacks and all the characters still had to pretend that politics was chugging along as normal. Madame Secretary would have these calamitous foreign crises week after week, only to have everyone pretend nothing happened in the next episode. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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 has to be the pinnacle of that. The US is nuked twice, hit by biological and chemical terror attacks, has presidents and former presidents assassinated left and right, is riddled with mass-murdering traitors at the highest levels of government and commits colossal and unconstitutional human rights abuses by establishing mass concentration camps for Muslims. But at the start of every new day, the system is ticking along as usual.
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Payndz posted:
Yes. 24 is loving batshit insane and it's the best show ever made. What makes it so noteworthy is that it very clearly does not take place in our universe, but in a fictional universe of absurdity that exists solely to grow more and more ridiculous in order to make the main character, a murderous torturing psychopath, a heroic and sometimes even sympathetic character. Season 1 is a solid legit thriller of a season and then Season 5 is must-watch television for just how over the top it gets, while also being hilariously entertaining and borderline slapstick in it's melodrama. Peter Weller plays a loving incredible villain, and he's not even the main one! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2JnABD67a4
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It was kind of amazing how they were able to keep upping the insanity on 24. Jack executed a dude in police custody, then sawed off his head to intimidate a witness into telling him where THE BOMB is, and that was only the beginning of the second season!
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Taintrunner posted:Yes. 24 is loving batshit insane and it's the best show ever made. What makes it so noteworthy is that it very clearly does not take place in our universe, but in a fictional universe of absurdity that exists solely to grow more and more ridiculous in order to make the main character, a murderous torturing psychopath, a heroic and sometimes even sympathetic character. This is an amazing video on 24: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P52G4Kyq5M
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Flying Zamboni posted:This is an amazing video on 24: I had to pause the video when it got to the timeline of US presidents who survive to reelection.
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Flying Zamboni posted:This is an amazing video on 24: That was awesome
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Payndz posted:
It never got to 24 levels, but I'm reminded that the second-last season of Scandal had the wife of the president-elect hire the father of the First Lady—who herself had murdered the Vice President—to murder her husband and orchestrate a series of terrorist attacks in an elaborate ploy to win enough public sympathy to... get installed as vice president.... or something?
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Byzantine posted:The Cold War stuff is legit good spy/milwank. I think there's a correlation between how good Clancy was and how small the scale of the story was. He was good at small to mid scale stories with big implications. But, inevitably, thriller writers have to raise the stakes, so we end up with bloated nonsense like Executive Orders (which was the best selling book of the nineties) and Bear and The Dragon, which has a japanese american spy who's huge american cock is what makes him such a good spy in China. Literally none of that is a joke. Cooked Auto posted:
He co wrote that one with Larry Bond, who was always way more interested in the military side than the political stuff. Red Phoenix, Cauldron and Vortex are all pretty good, except for some really dumb white saviour stuff in Vortex and some weird riffs about trade wars in Cauldron. Mywhatacleanturtle posted:Has any right wing author taken up the mantle of Clancy’s particular brand of military wank? There's a shitload, but none are nearly as popular. And are much worse written. Cythereal posted:Honestly, I think Tom Clancy was pretty okay for specifically Cold War techno thrillers. Still problematic politics and whatnot, but I feel like he didn't go off the rails until after the Soviet Union collapsed. That just makes him part of the lincoln project. He'd love to be doing racist war crimes, just with more decorum.
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No thanks
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Well that's certainly something to wake up to
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Len posted:Well that's certainly something to wake up to not if you're Sean Connery
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Did anyone try giving him a good slap to see if that helps?
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Happy Halloween everyone!
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'poo poo, I expected him to live'
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Alternatively I have Mourn connery and Sean gonery
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Did anyone try giving him a good slap to see if that helps?
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The most Scottish of dragons and Russians is no longer among us. Imagining the alternate realities where he was Gandalf and Morpheus. What was this about?
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The MSJ posted:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/buzzfeed-esports-ellen-page https://twitter.com/pcgamer/status/1322599231039918085
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The gamergate movie is extra spicy since the character shares a name with gamergaters how women gamers should behave waifu character they invented "vivian"
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The MSJ posted:The most Scottish of dragons and Russians is no longer among us. Don't forget, famed Scottish actor Sean Connery was our most beloved Spanish highlander
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Don't forget, famed Scottish actor Sean Connery was our most beloved Spanish highlander https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbvbIN0nN7A&t=36s AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Nov 1, 2020 |
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piratepilates posted:https://www.pcgamesn.com/buzzfeed-esports-ellen-page Good idea, poke that hornet's nest You'd think Beyond Two Souls taught Ellen Page to stay far away from gamers
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Don't forget, famed Scottish actor Sean Connery was our most beloved Spanish highlander The Frenchman was the Highlander. The Scotsman was an ancient Egyptian working for the King of Spain.
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davidspackage posted:Good idea, poke that hornet's nest
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Maybe one of the antagonists is David Cage. She should have Hard Candy-ed his rear end after the full anatomical game model was used in Beyond.
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davidspackage posted:Good idea, poke that hornet's nest She can make movies about whatever she wants, and if gamers decide to be awful about it that’s their fault, not hers.
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I just found out that GamerGate got its start on SA; or rather, the guy who started it got his dumb rear end banned for going off on an unhinged rant about his ex-girlfriend, went off to whine about it somewhere else and everything spiraled off from there.
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:I just found out that GamerGate got its start on SA; or rather, the guy who started it got his dumb rear end banned for going off on an unhinged rant about his ex-girlfriend, went off to whine about it somewhere else and thing spiraled off from there. SA was his first attempt, but yeah, people here weren't having it. Rare good judgement on our part.
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I still feel really bad for that one woman who basically became the Most Hated Person On the Internet for saying video games should have a story only mode.
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mycot posted:I still feel really bad for that one woman who basically became the Most Hated Person On the Internet for saying video games should have a story only mode. I can only assume that she received the kind of psycho abuse all women on the internet receive multiplied by the disgusting toxicity of gamers. I am sincerely sorry she would have been put through that awfulness. Having said that; These are called movies, idiot.
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There actually multiple games now with "story" difficulty where the combat parts are super easy.
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