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Oneiros posted:leave it to a bunch of computer touchers and other pmc fucks to look at coal miners, historically some of the most leftist and pro-union workers in the entire loving country, and toss them under the bus because they offend their aesthetic sensibilities why do you keep arguing against things that no one has said?
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Roosevelt posted:you deleted the rest of my answer i left the only part of it that mattered in
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Nov 1, 2020 07:14
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President Beep posted:why do you keep arguing against things that no one has said? Kazinsal posted:bad faith arguments generally involve that kind of behaviour, yes
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Nov 1, 2020 07:15
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President Beep posted:why do you keep arguing against things that no one has said? that's the position of the entire democratic party. at the very least it sure as gently caress was the position of the last dem candidate for president to run. speaking of arguing against things that no one has said: President Beep posted:heck yeah, bring back those coal jobs!
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Nov 1, 2020 07:16
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Oneiros posted:that's the position of the entire democratic party. at the very least it sure as gently caress was the position of the last dem candidate for president to run.
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Nov 1, 2020 07:18
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Oneiros posted:i left the only part of it that mattered in name someone biden would recruit as senior advisor who would be worse than stephen miller or jared kushner you can't say hillary, that's cheating
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Nov 1, 2020 07:18
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Beamed posted:this is literally not something anyone disagrees with. don't present the opinions of the democratic party as people who hated themselves as they checked 'x' next to biden's name. that's dumb as poo poo. i vote to put people in positions of power but i don't actually agree with/support their stated and historical positions, that'd be stupid!
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Nov 1, 2020 07:19
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i was being facetious because no one can understand what in the gently caress you’re trying to say about coal miners in Kentucky. job training to some other skilled trade is not an acceptable option for some reason? unless you’re saying that the system is inherently stacked against them (which no one here disputes), but you’re being such a weapons grade dick about it that your message is wiped out.
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Nov 1, 2020 07:21
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Kazinsal posted:go ahead, what's your solution then, o mighty all-knowing keeper of answers i don't fuckin know what will fix appalachia, but i'm just some dipshit computer toucher. the national parties plainly don't give a poo poo about the region, the whole area is dying, and i can completely understand why someone living there would be completely frustrated and unwilling to vote for either party. voting either way will make zero difference to the their day to day with no jobs, no hope, and no one in power giving a poo poo about them saying "they took the coal away" isn't ideal wording, but if you're not a lib fuckhead looking for excuses to poo poo on the rural poor, you can pretty easily tell what they mean: the middle class jobs left, the money has completely disappeared from appalachia, everyone there is completely hosed, and the response of the political and economic infrastructure is basically a giant shrug. that's what the complaint is about, ultimately: the decision about what areas of the country prosper and what areas don't is made by the capitalist class. these people could have jobs, but it's more profitable for them to suffer so that's what happens.
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Nov 1, 2020 07:26
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anyway arguing on the internet is a bad time so no more of that for me thanks.
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Nov 1, 2020 07:27
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oneiros is the guy who, when everyone in the lunch line is given the choice between a poo poo sandwich and a poo poo sandwich with a glass of water, goes back and forth smugly saying "i can't believe you're all choosing to eat poo poo!!! poo poo tastes bad, and i can't believe you don't think so!!! you must love it!!!"
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Nov 1, 2020 07:28
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President Beep posted:i was being facetious because no one can understand what in the gently caress you’re trying to say about coal miners in Kentucky. job training to some other skilled trade is not an acceptable option for some reason? all the job training programs in the world won't help people living in an area without jobs. to actually effect meaningful change you have two options, that i can think of in the thirty seconds i've bothered to think about it: either relocate former miners to a more prosperous area, or truck in cash to get some poo poo going
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Nomnom Cookie posted:i don't fuckin know what will fix appalachia, but i'm just some dipshit computer toucher. the national parties plainly don't give a poo poo about the region, the whole area is dying, and i can completely understand why someone living there would be completely frustrated and unwilling to vote for either party. voting either way will make zero difference to the their day to day with no jobs, no hope, and no one in power giving a poo poo about them i agree with you but unfortunately the solution is waaaaay outside of the context of this or really any presidential election.
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Nomnom Cookie posted:all the job training programs in the world won't help people living in an area without jobs. to actually effect meaningful change you have two options, that i can think of in the thirty seconds i've bothered to think about it: either relocate former miners to a more prosperous area, or truck in cash to get some poo poo going yeah, fair enough.
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Nov 1, 2020 07:30
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Nomnom Cookie posted:, or truck in cash to get some poo poo going yes, this is the one, in the sense of like cancel the B-21 bomber project and put that money towards building a giant government-run solar cell factory in west virginia. what we need is a nouveau works progress administration. people will undoubtely pop up in a few posts to lol at how unrealistic this sort of thing would be because they are terminally depressed losers who like to poo poo on everything, but it's a valid solution.
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Nov 1, 2020 07:31
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it should be very easy for everyone to vote for biden, and here's why: you can't fix things by voting. don't come at me with some bullshit about constitutional amendments and abolishing the electoral college, that poo poo's less likely to happen than mitch mcconnell singing the internationale live on fox news. you do not get from contemporary america to a just society by voting for it. it doesn't matter that you don't have a candidate you like on the ballot, because the entire system is constructed to prevent candidates you like getting on the ballot. voting is harm reduction. picking the lesser of two evils, and then go work toward change by other means
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Nov 1, 2020 07:33
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Sagebrush posted:oneiros is the guy who, when everyone in the lunch line is given the choice between a poo poo sandwich and a poo poo sandwich with a glass of water, goes back and forth smugly saying "i can't believe you're all choosing to eat poo poo!!! poo poo tastes bad, and i can't believe you don't think so!!! you must love it!!!" i don't have a problem with the people eating poo poo because they have no choice. i have a problem with the people who think that checking the "poo poo sandwich with water" checkbox on their meal preference survey is meaningful and effective action and dump on people who suggest otherwise
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Nov 1, 2020 07:34
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Roosevelt posted:name someone biden would recruit as senior advisor who would be worse than stephen miller or jared kushner Hah. Wanna know how I got these tags? No? Wise. I went "wait, hold the loving phone, what?" at someone's argument that electing Joe Biden would make America respectable again. Trump bad. Is Joe going to do anything to improve the situation, or to fart around until we're in 2024 with a worse economic crisis and a very dedicated Charlie Chaplin impersonator running against him? President Beep posted:i was being facetious because no one can understand what in the gently caress you’re trying to say about coal miners in Kentucky. job training to some other skilled trade is not an acceptable option for some reason? The Democrats will not make sure they get jobs and are fed and really can't articulate why they should vote for them. They keep pointing out that Trump is bad, which very few are disputing. When you take away someone's livelihood, even if it's justified from both a common good and an economic viewpoint, you really should try to replace it with something. Otherwise you're a shitbag. Also those people will then hate you forever and be angry and you just reduced your chances of ever doing anything useful ever again because now you've got demographic groups that hate your guts - as well as the guts of any progressives who want sustainable energy. Almost like the Democrats are perfectly willing to sabotage the left to maintain their personal status.
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Sagebrush posted:yes, this is the one, in the sense of like cancel the B-21 bomber project and put that money towards building a giant government-run solar cell factory in west virginia. what we need is a nouveau works progress administration. this is actually good! yes, actually put money into building up our industrial capacity and advancing clean energy production!
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Oneiros posted:i don't have a problem with the people eating poo poo because they have no choice. i have a problem with the people who think that checking the "poo poo sandwich with water" checkbox on their meal preference survey is meaningful and effective action and dump on people who suggest otherwise you're addressing these people who think that voting for joe in 3 days is going to fix everything and they can go back to ignoring politics again. who in here is saying that? like, those people exist absolutely, but not in yospos. read the room.
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Nov 1, 2020 07:40
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Oneiros posted:i don't have a problem with the people eating poo poo because they have no choice. i have a problem with the people who think that checking the "poo poo sandwich with water" checkbox on their meal preference survey is meaningful and effective action and dump on people who suggest otherwise but this isnt a typical lunch line. if not enough people choose poo poo sandwich with water, then the cafeteria is going to cheap out and nobody is gonna get water at all.
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Nov 1, 2020 07:41
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polyester concept posted:but this isnt a typical lunch line. if not enough people choose poo poo sandwich with water, then the cafeteria is going to cheap out and nobody is gonna get water at all. i would simply eat at the canadian cafeteria, where everyone gets poo poo and water for free
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polyester concept posted:but this isnt a typical lunch line. if not enough people choose poo poo sandwich with water, then the cafeteria is going to cheap out and nobody is gonna get water at all. [people choose poo poo sandwich with water, the cafeteria decides that they'd rather increase their profit instead and stops serving water anyway]
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spit! spit! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1vSlNz0PaA&t=46s
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Nov 1, 2020 07:45
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Coal miners are lazy bums. Get a real job you slackers!
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Nov 1, 2020 07:46
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anyway it's real hard to get any work done when u got poo poo and bread stuck to the roof of your mouth
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Oneiros posted:[people choose poo poo sandwich with water, the cafeteria decides that they'd rather increase their profit instead and stops serving water anyway] yeah this might happen. but telling people they shouldn't try for water because you, personally, don't see a way for them to get it, is also dumb! this isn't hard. you're telling people to accelerate making things worse for impacted communities, not because you think it will help those communities in the short term, but because you want to own the libs or some poo poo. and that's embarrassing! poo poo sucks anyway. america's literally doomed
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Nov 1, 2020 08:23
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Beamed posted:yeah this might happen. but telling people they shouldn't try for water because you, personally, don't see a way for them to get it, is also dumb! this isn't hard. you're telling people to accelerate making things worse for impacted communities, not because you think it will help those communities in the short term, but because you want to own the libs or some poo poo. and that's embarrassing! telling people that the oasis they're stumbling towards is just a mirage is not dumb i'll be very, very happy to be proved wrong. seriously. i hope to loving god i'm wrong, because the alternative is loving depressing as hell. but i don't think biden is going to be the improvement people think he is.
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Nov 1, 2020 08:28
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Oneiros posted:telling people that the oasis they're stumbling towards is just a mirage is not dumb this isn't an oasis lmfao. have you read a single post anyone made this thread? honestly, if you haven't, i don't blame you. poo poo takes a huge emotional toil and all that. but stop just making things up to argue against, it's not only embarrassing but dehumanizes your fellow, uh. yosposter. well that already sounds undignified.
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Nov 1, 2020 08:29
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if you don't align 100% with my moral take on the particular ballot on whatever my homestate is, you love joe biden and sexual assault. this is the only take that is valid. i dont think you think this, oneiros, but this is what your posts reads as.
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Nov 1, 2020 08:30
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Beamed posted:if you don't align 100% with my moral take on the particular ballot on whatever my homestate is, you love joe biden and sexual assault. this is the only take that is valid. i would never ague that people who don't agree 100% with my choices on california's (to be specific) ballot are idiots. the drat thing is chock full with hard choices and lovely propositions that offer one-step-forward and x steps back. my final decisions have diverged significantly from multiple organizations and people whose opinions i value and i don't hold that against them at all. i will argue that, if you've taken even a cursory glance at joe biden's history and his campaign so far this year, if you think he's a significant improvement in any way then you're a loving rube
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Nov 1, 2020 08:41
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Oneiros posted:i would never ague that people who don't agree 100% with my choices on california's (to be specific) ballot are idiots. the drat thing is chock full with hard choices and lovely propositions that offer one-step-forward and x steps back. my final decisions have diverged significantly from multiple organizations and people whose opinions i value and i don't hold that against them at all. i dont think that's even up for debate, even if significant is something some communities i cant speak for might want to weigh in on. however, i think you'd agree that it is an improvement, and... i'll be blunt and a little vulnerable here. any improvement at all would be really nice. i dont think biden will provide that by improving things, but i think he'll stall the "wake up tomorrow and things are way worse in numerousn ways" thing. and that's not, like, a vote to be proud of or whatever. but i think the idea it's being a rube is lovely and dumb, just because yeah. the system is entirely broken and we're all doomed. but the vast majority of folks will be trying within the system for as long as they're a system, and that's just the fault of the plutocrats
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Oneiros posted:i don't think biden is going to be the improvement people think he is. who? which people are thinking/saying this? my favorite thing would be for bernie to be president and AOC get nancy pelosi's job and mitch mcconnell dies of sonic diarrhea. but i'm not going to get my favorite thing any time soon. in the meantime, biden will be an improvement over trump. that's good enough for the next week. then we can work on the next steps. you've got, well, it's not quite a straw man because there definitely are people in the world who think that having someone with a blue tie in the white house means everything is okay and we can stop fighting. but i really don't think a single person in here has said that. you're just talking to people saying "i'm eating poo poo with water because it's better than plain poo poo, which is literally the only other possibility right now" and accusing them of being morally impure for not going on hunger strike or whatever and it's just a real weenie move. Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Nov 1, 2020 |
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Sagebrush posted:who? which people are thinking/saying this? tbf this all kicked off with a guy calling us morally impure for voting third party
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Oneiros posted:i will argue that, if you've taken even a cursory glance at joe biden's history and his campaign so far this year, if you think he's a significant improvement in any way then you're a loving rube this is where you're an idiot. you can't think of a single way in which biden is a significant improvement over trump? not loving one? what kind of south park bullshit is that? biden isn't great, he isn't even really good, but he also is not a literal white supremacist calling openly for domestic terrorists to murder half the american population. jesus fart simpson posted:tbf this all kicked off with a guy calling us morally impure for voting third party it's purity tests all the way down
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Sagebrush posted:this is where you're an idiot. you can't think of a single way in which biden is a significant improvement over trump? not loving one? what kind of south park bullshit is that? i don't view the guy who obscures his white supremacists views behind bullshit as less dangerous than the guy who openly endorses it. in fact, i view him as more dangerous.
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biden is a white supremacist who calls for the state imprisoning and disenfranchising minorities and was vp during the biggest destruction of black wealth in modern american history
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