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Punishment for Bardet leaving AG2R.
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Glad to see some hardcore Pyrenees stages, Foix was cool in 2019 but it seems like a while since we've had a really Pyrenees focused route. Luz Ardiden is great to have back, though I'd like to have seen Superbagneres instead of whatever Andorra is going to be. At least they aren't doing an Arcalis MTF; that's one of my least favorite HC climbs lol
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Double descent of the Ventoux. 248 km stage 7 seems unnecessary.
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goatface posted:248 km stage 7 seems unnecessary. Stages should all be 100-150km long
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I was literally about to complain that there wasn't a 200k+ mountain stage lol Like I can get the long rear end sprint/flat days as a necessity to make for easier transfers but every grand tour needs at least one "gently caress you" 200km+ mountain stage with a sawtooth profile. E) also maybe it'd be excessively mean but I'd love to have seen Mende come between the Ventoux stage and the Pyrenees. Feels Villeneuve fucked around with this message at 00:09 on Nov 2, 2020 |
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serious gaylord posted:Looks like they've finally given up on Pinot and Bardet with that route too. They're definitely trying to force another Alaphillipe stint in yellow with two puncher finishes to start the Tour in a row, though.
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Was randomly googling about how much it costs to sponsor a world tour team and found this old article was an interesting read. Basically sponsoring a cycling team makes no sense when you can get way more publicity doing a naming rights deal in other sports or do a skoda and just buy ads during the coverage. Natural ceiling for a cycling team is probably $20-25m a year so there's no way you can challenge ineos without a billionaire who's run out of other stuff to buy. https://cyclingtips.com/2017/08/analysis-pro-cycling-sponsorship-worth-cost/
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from what i've heard cycling sponsorship these days is either about image enhancement (eg Bahrain/Kazakhstan/Israeli sport-washing) or just for being able to wine and dine business partners by taking them to Tour de France/Ronde VIP events.
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Nov 2, 2020 15:27
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Or billionaire plaything. It's cheaper than a football team.
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Or you make all your money in Belgium
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AHAHAHA holy poo poo the headline in this piece https://cyclingtips.com/2020/11/bjarne-riis-its-not-realistic-to-think-a-new-sponsor-will-magically-appear/
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my preferred velo games username was always "mr 69%",apropos of nothing
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:AHAHAHA holy poo poo the headline in this piece Lol
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Nov 2, 2020 22:16
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60% of the time you fold every time
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Nov 2, 2020 23:13
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also the last two Vuelta stages are the shittiest GT course design I've seen in ages let's put a really good sawtoothed mountain stage before Angrilu so nobody will attack, and also let's make Angrilu a 100km stage so there's no gaps anyway at this point I'm outright going to yell at anyone who advocates for super-short mountain stages
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Skinsuit chat. I agree that if you can get into it yourself it’s too loose. My partner should get the pleasure of zipping up my random body hair.
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How do you guys feel about the time trials at grand tours? They can be alright to watch and tell a fun story, but I always think it's kind of a lame way to shake-out the gc. It just doesn't feel like a race to me.
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moctopus posted:How do you guys feel about the time trials at grand tours? They can be alright to watch and tell a fun story, but I always think it's kind of a lame way to shake-out the gc. It just doesn't feel like a race to me. Time trials are great and there should be more of them. Also good to watch live because there's always something going on.
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TT are an integral part of the test of being the best alll round rider. Modern GC are too light on them.
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I think they should have two, one flat, one semi-mountain. And a downhill TTT.
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Also we're going to get more of them in the TdF going forwards because they've given up on forcing a Pinot win
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goatface posted:I think they should have two, one flat, one semi-mountain. Where can I sign this petition?
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Nov 3, 2020 15:33
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Aero tuck on a TT bike seems terrifying.
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I don't see how TTTs are viable for grand tours at this point. It basically precludes the possibility of anyone other than Ineos or TJV winning the overall. I like a couple of ITTs though, especially mountain ones.
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Nov 3, 2020 15:39
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12km long, first to cross the line timed only, full sprint trains gooooo A nice warm up day.
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I don't really like "pure" MTTs because you get rid of a lot of the roleur skill and it's like mostly just a power/weight test at that point
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goatface posted:12km long, first to cross the line timed only, full sprint trains gooooo The Giro once started with a 1km TT
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Feels Villeneuve posted:The Giro once started with a 1km TT There’s some stage in Cycling Manager that I swear was a 12 seconds TT. You go around a corner and it’s done.
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Bring back the prologue.
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I didn't think I'd be so far out of touch with regards to TT. I don't buy the general rider argument because gc riders don't need to win or do well on sprint stages or punchier classics style stages. The later of which I'd like to see more of overall. Oh well. I'll watch no matter what.
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I love a TTT but it puts far too much power into the hands of the super teams. Time Trials are good because it exposes riders, Roglic must have riden less than 3km in the wind before the final stage in France. Definitely a balance to be struck in terms of total Km's though.
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That's an argument for a budget cap more than against TTTs.
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moctopus posted:I didn't think I'd be so far out of touch with regards to TT. I don't buy the general rider argument because gc riders don't need to win or do well on sprint stages or punchier classics style stages. The later of which I'd like to see more of overall. Oh well. I'll watch no matter what. Not sure I agree. The Tour in particular has been won and lost in the first week on classics style stages multiple times over the last decade. Though admittedly that has a lot to do with team strength and certain GC riders being protected by world class classics riders while others are left to fend for themselves.
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peanut- posted:Not sure I agree. The Tour in particular has been won and lost in the first week on classics style stages multiple times over the last decade. To be open, I've only watched the last 3 years so I'm missing a lot of the history. I'm probably a little out of touch. If you can think of stages or tours that determined/affected the GC in that way I'd be interested just for watching.
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TTTs but it’s only the 4 worst placed guys on the team, and the slowest time counts.
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That’s a good time.
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moctopus posted:To be open, I've only watched the last 3 years so I'm missing a lot of the history. I'm probably a little out of touch. If you can think of stages or tours that determined/affected the GC in that way I'd be interested just for watching. 2014 had the York stage and the mini Paris-Roubaix stage where Nibali killed the other GC contenders 2015 had early crosswinds that tore up the GC on stage 2. 2016 had the Sagan/Bodnar/Froome/Thomas break on stage 11.
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peanut- posted:2014 had the York stage and the mini Paris-Roubaix stage where Nibali killed the other GC contenders Thanks a lot!
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Yuge. Let’s go.
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