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Impressive how hard they managed to kill the hype for Tekken since Leroy got announced until now.
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Haven’t people been saying for ages that games should be balanced with buffs, not nerfs? Is the problem that the buffs were too samey and that the strong chars also got buffed?
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Nov 9, 2020 15:31
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Are there any actual patch notes yet? This move of giving them to certain europeans a day early is very strange.
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Nov 9, 2020 16:50
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Dracula Factory posted:Are there any actual patch notes yet? This move of giving them to certain europeans a day early is very strange. (most of those 50 pages is empty)
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Nov 9, 2020 16:54
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giogadi posted:Haven’t people been saying for ages that games should be balanced with buffs, not nerfs? Is the problem that the buffs were too samey and that the strong chars also got buffed? and even with that mindset in mind its not like anyone is saying you should literally never nerf. just that when something is good a lot of devs' immediate instinct is to nerf, when if a character feels fun, fluid, and strong, why not make every character that good.
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Nov 9, 2020 17:03
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mango sentinel posted:Announce Kiryu, you cowards! quote:There have been a lot of requests in recent years to add Kazuma Kiryu in a fighting game, be it Tekken, or others... What do you think? Would you like to make a fighting game based on the Yakuza series?
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Nov 9, 2020 17:14
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time for them to put an idolmaster character in
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Nov 9, 2020 17:18
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Put in Haruka instead. She’s the daughter of the Dragon of Dojima, I bet she’s learned most of Kiryu’s moves by now
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Nov 9, 2020 17:26
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Obviously the solution is when one player selects Kiryu, the other player is forced to pick a guy. It’s a real power move to just grey out all the opponents girls
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Nov 9, 2020 17:27
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Gutcruncher posted:Obviously the solution is when one player selects Kiryu, the other player is forced to pick a guy. It’s a real power move to just grey out all the opponents girls Put in Goro Majima. It even fits with all the crossover characters being villains (and Noctis) so far.
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Nov 9, 2020 17:49
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The Kins posted:From a Red Bull France interview with Nagoshi the other day: Fair Endorph posted:time for them to put an idolmaster character in The wrong Iori
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Nov 9, 2020 17:53
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Lord_Magmar posted:Put in Goro Majima. It even fits with all the crossover characters being villains (and Noctis) so far. He's looking really hard for Kiryu in Tekken, which he is not. This is why Majima is here.
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Nov 9, 2020 18:07
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Majima Everywhere indeed
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Nov 9, 2020 18:18
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giogadi posted:Haven’t people been saying for ages that games should be balanced with buffs, not nerfs? Is the problem that the buffs were too samey and that the strong chars also got buffed? I think the problem is that the dlc power creep is insane and extremely obvious.
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Nov 9, 2020 18:38
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Nov 9, 2020 18:55
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giogadi posted:Haven’t people been saying for ages that games should be balanced with buffs, not nerfs? Is the problem that the buffs were too samey and that the strong chars also got buffed? Characters are being buffed into homogeneity in a lot of ways. Bob is probably now T6 levels of bullshit and I dread seeing them online now.
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Nov 9, 2020 18:57
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The only thing people hate more than their main getting nerfed is their least favorite matchup character getting buffed.
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Nov 9, 2020 19:01
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The Kins posted:From a Red Bull France interview with Nagoshi the other day: https://twitter.com/sacaitlin/status/1325842914644283397
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Nov 9, 2020 19:42
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Clearly Kiryu would never hit a woman, but small girls are fair game. Kiryu in Arcana Heart 4 confirmed.
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Nov 9, 2020 19:44
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All of his attack animations are open-palm when he's fighting a female char, then it's totally fine.
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Nov 9, 2020 21:06
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AFashionableHat posted:Characters are being buffed into homogeneity in a lot of ways. Bob is probably now T6 levels of bullshit and I dread seeing them online now. tekken 7 has always done this compared to earlier games, if you dislike the way t7 has gone since the very first version you could always try and start a tag 2/5DR revival now that esports is dead & people aren't feeling compelled to only play Newest Game
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Nov 9, 2020 21:14
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Put Miss Tatsu in Tekken is the obvious solution here.
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Nov 9, 2020 21:21
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darealkooky posted:tekken 7 has always done this compared to earlier games, if you dislike the way t7 has gone since the very first version you could always try and start a tag 2/5DR revival now that esports is dead & people aren't feeling compelled to only play Newest Game if there was a reliable way to play them (trying to run online tournaments off of PS3s are not that) I would have already done so.
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Nov 9, 2020 21:50
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American McGay posted:Think of Aris what you will, and there are obviously valid issues, but I don't think there's any jealousy there. There's a certain joy of experiencing a new release at the exact same time as the rest of the community and digging into all the changes, and the staggered rollout thing kind of tarnishes that. The biggest problem to me is that sending games out early for review purposes has been a thing in games media since the dawn of time. I know Aris is not in "games media" but he seems to want to have the benefits of being part of the press/PR cycle without any of the downsides which just comes off as kind of whiney. It also doesn't help that I've just grown more and more tired of Aris's schtick over the years. The "I'm an rear end in a top hat but funny" bit only continues to work when you stay funny.
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Nov 9, 2020 21:54
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FanaticalMilk posted:The biggest problem to me is that sending games out early for review purposes has been a thing in games media since the dawn of time. I know Aris is not in "games media" but he seems to want to have the benefits of being part of the press/PR cycle without any of the downsides which just comes off as kind of whiney. It also doesn't help that I've just grown more and more tired of Aris's schtick over the years. The "I'm an rear end in a top hat but funny" bit only continues to work when you stay funny. It's simpler than that, IMO. People who are not West Coast FGC people got something.
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Nov 9, 2020 22:21
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AFashionableHat posted:Characters are being buffed into homogeneity in a lot of ways. Bob is probably now T6 levels of bullshit and I dread seeing them online now. With the exception of, yes, Bob, I think basically every character that got buffed, did so totheir unique strengths. Hell it's exactly what Harada said they were doing just the other month, in an inerview when he talked about homenity in characters being balanced but boring and unfun.
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Nov 9, 2020 22:28
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they buffed bob as a social experiment to see if people will suddenly start playing him again or if they can safely chuck him into season 2/3 dlc character hell in tekken 8 instead of main roster spot
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Nov 9, 2020 22:33
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darealkooky posted:they buffed bob as a social experiment to see if people will suddenly start playing him again or if they can safely chuck him into season 2/3 dlc character hell in tekken 8 instead of main roster spot This kind of cynical thinking filled me with a great dread and then a deadness. this is what they really think about when they think about character inclusions in fighting games these days, aren't they?
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Nov 9, 2020 22:41
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Victory Position posted:This kind of cynical thinking filled me with a great dread and then a deadness. Maybe Tekken but definitely not all fighting games Hell two of DBFZ's worst characters were DLC, and even after a bunch of buffs one of them is still pretty bad.
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Nov 9, 2020 22:54
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Blockhouse posted:Maybe Tekken but definitely not all fighting games To be fair, Videl was an experiment to see if a character could function without one of the integral system parts of DBZF, one that was basically the cornerstone of the game's defensive play, and the answer seems to be 'nobody cares how many ways you have to touch of death somebody or how brutal your offense can be when you just die the first time someone makes you block because everyone can make you block.' Who's the other? I know Fused Zamasu is still considered hot garbage so it can't be him.
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Nov 9, 2020 23:11
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It's kind of sad how DBZ doesn't really lend itself to a fighting game that much, now that my enjoyment of DBFZ has winded down. Almost all the characters fight in the same way, one guy wins all the fights and that leaves no room for side characters to shine, so of course there are 5 goku clones and characters that aren't goku still fight like goku. And it seems like they have already run out of characters (Unless they do a cool Bulma in a mech deal) so they're going to have to invent more original ones to sell DLC and a sequel. I'm really surprised that naruto and/or one piece haven't gotten big-effort 2d competitive fighters, I know OP has an endless well of characters that would fit great in an FG and I'm pretty sure naruto has lots of goofy different fighters that would fit well into a game. Maybe it just takes a few more years of nostalgia.
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Nov 9, 2020 23:43
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Bleach had some wii fighters, didn't it? I wouldn't mind seeing a 2d game if it manages to get a revival with the coming final season. Probably would have fewer Ichigos than dbfz does Gokus. One Piece I think fits best with the dynasty warriors style, as Pirate Warriors having now 4 games shows.
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Nov 9, 2020 23:49
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the reality is there's no reason to make a big complex fighting game when stuff like ninja storm sells just as well. not that ninja storm was a bad game honestly but its not like individual characters are insanely distinct and complex. that's the market dbfz was competing with, not traditional fighting games.
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Nov 9, 2020 23:52
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Bleach had 7 fighting games for PSP alone. Also Budokai Tenkaichi 2/3 were a lot of fun and had some good What If campaigns (like what if Raditz also hit his head and was a good person). Budokai 3 was fun as well but the mid-battle gimmicks get old pretty quick. I think Shin Budokai cut most of that crap out, at least.
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Nov 9, 2020 23:53
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i like the what if story in tenkaichi 3 where spike the devilman, a guy from the original dragon ball whose power was being able to explode the evil in people, instantly oneshot every single antagonist
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Endorph posted:i like the what if story in tenkaichi 3 where spike the devilman, a guy from the original dragon ball whose power was being able to explode the evil in people, instantly oneshot every single antagonist gently caress yes
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Nov 10, 2020 00:00
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i would openly weep if arcsys announced a one piece traditional fighting game
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Nov 10, 2020 01:02
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They already did, kinda sorta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qixc-2e5w2A
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Countblanc posted:i would openly weep if arcsys announced a one piece traditional fighting game Only issue I could see with this is that Luffy is kinda short for a normal person and there are plenty of characters that are liked 5x his height at least, so they would have to normalize models a bit. I think a tag game might also fit with a potentially large roster and a strong camaraderie theme from the show.
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