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sirtommygunn posted:You're only willing to vote for your sus if you think it won't lead to a lunch? If it's going to put him at - 2 a few hours into the day yeah
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Sandwolf posted:yeah well who do you think is scum then? Refresh your thread
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Retro Futurist posted:If it's going to put him at - 2 a few hours into the day yeah why not tho?
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Nov 10, 2020 04:17
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I cant believe We're letting Steak continue to live. anyway, Pmush seems to be on a bit of a tear, but im not seeing it as scum, just frustrated town. and I have yet to see a good case on DB.
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Nov 10, 2020 04:37
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##vote db
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Nov 10, 2020 04:57
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Sandwolf posted:why not tho? 
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Nov 10, 2020 05:13
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Lol
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Nov 10, 2020 05:20
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Lol I wouldnt be opposed to seeing steak out. Not feeling the mush push, but wowie.
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Nov 10, 2020 05:21
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DB or PMush or RF work for me
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Nov 10, 2020 05:29
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Sandwolf posted:DB or PMush or RF work for me Why, why, and why? Is this scum Sandwolf? Unsure of himself and making things up weakly?
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Nov 10, 2020 06:40
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You’re pinging me, I’ve been clear on PMush, DB’s interaction earlier with me felt bad, he pushed me to vote and then noped out on the whole interaction.
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Nov 10, 2020 06:44
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Still angry, getting some thoughts down then probably coming back tomorrow to look at them again. Stand by my Steak vote. Not sure if Amni is being obtuse (which is very in character) or playing it up as scum. Slightly leaning scum, I think, but IDK. What does that make the DB thing? A soft bus that got more traction than he expected? IDK, still not sure on DB myself. Cooling on my Sandwolf vote a bit, but not by much. More of an "I need to reread" kind of feel now. Liking SNG as town, still got a strong town read on Sci, null on IA and RF, and I can definitely see the OA case, wouldn't object to voting them.
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Nov 10, 2020 06:45
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##unvote Actually, yeah, these recent posts are making me feel better about SW, he's engaged and asking pertinent questions.
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Nov 10, 2020 06:47
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Amnistar posted:[b]##vote Obama[/b[ When did I jokingly dismiss you? I only have brief windows where I can post as I have a small child that currently takes up a large amount of my free time. As for my “so many posts” post I don’t see much to defend, I read the whole lot of them as painful as it was, not sure how it’s scummy to jokingly refer to the number as many other posters itt have done
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Nov 10, 2020 07:21
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I think DB is scum and has a vote parked on AA, which tends to be a scum move since who the vote gets parked on tends to also be scum. ##vote DB
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Nov 10, 2020 08:16
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##bote pmush
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Nov 10, 2020 08:28
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##vote pmush
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Nov 10, 2020 08:29
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Can someone vote steak so he can spring his trap and move on already
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Nov 10, 2020 08:45
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Retro Futurist posted:Can someone vote steak so he can spring his trap and move on already hey dont knock the strategy when it just nailed a 3p
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Nov 10, 2020 08:46
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I’m not really getting scummy vibes from steak but I am seeing a lot of people filing in to place weak votes on DB
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Nov 10, 2020 09:13
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I agree with Sandwolf that these DB votes are Sus, and am willing to switch to a DGK vote. However, I think Steak got lucky before, and should still be the vote. stay strong PMush, Im like 80/20 on him, steak, being scum.
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To those of you in any doubt, it's pretty obvious that PMush is scum: Drive-by cheerleading without making any proper alignment calls that he can't back out of. PMush Perfect posted:This is the wildest loving way for jokephase to end. PMush Perfect posted:I can't believe you guys can't believe we aren't reading this multipage slap fight PMush Perfect posted:This is a slap fight, isn't it? Unless Steak is scum, and just being Steak, but that's a null tell. I don't think scum Bif would tilt this hard. The most ironic post: PMush Perfect posted:I don't like this. It feels very drive-by in a way that deliberately avoids stating any actual opinions about the discussion. When challenged on this, PMush posts the most milquetoast defence of Bif: PMush Perfect posted:I literally did. Null on Steak because Steak, leaning town on Bif, because I don't think Bif would fake tilting this hard. This is scummy because it gives PMush a really easy out to vote either of these people if the wind changes. Which is precisely what she does: PMush Perfect posted:Also, good morning. I’ve slept on things! Gently leaning back on the null read of Steak, pushing further onto the Bif read. Voting for Amni for an incredibly dumb reason (Amni's vote for DB is actually fine and good) PMush Perfect posted:Actually, I can just ask, can’t I? What happened here to "Steak is always like this" and "just being Steak" and "Null on Steak because Steak". What's happening here is that PMush sees that Steak is becoming a viable target and is trying to undo the null reads she had earlier. But I don't buy the reasoning: soul reading that Steak is more invested than usual is not scumhunting, it's manufacturing a reason to vote for someone because you're afraid of appearing to bandwagon. And then there was this: PMush Perfect posted:What are the odds Bif is scum and this is some kind of last-ditch play? LITERALLY ZERO. There is no way this would be a scum play, the only reason to ask this question is because you are performatively trying to look like concerned town. PMush Perfect posted:For the sake of argument, I'm going to assume that Steak really did get pinged by Bif's weirdness, and it wasn't just a lucky guess. On one hand, you might think "well, would scum go that hard on someone", but a Halloween game would be the perfect time for scum to be worried about SKs. So I don't think that actually clears Steak at all. NO. This doesn't make sense. This is PMush trying to make up a reason to push Steak, because she thinks that's the way the thread is going, but the reasoning is nonsensical. The reason it's nonsensical is because Pmush is making up a reason to vote for Steak. And I don't think town reacts like this: PMush Perfect posted:And, presumably, if I hadn't explained my logic, you'd be going after me for making a drive-by vote, right? I know those catch-22 cases, Amni. I've used them, as scum. You're not slick. PMush Perfect posted:Or maybe I was explaining the logic on my reread and vote. If someone else jumped onto the same case they had on D1, I'd be interested to hear their logic, too. PMush Perfect posted:Reading comprehension is important. It doesn't mean nothing, it explains the discrepancies in Steak's behavior. PMush Perfect posted:JFC, Amni, I know you always think I'm scum, but at least have a real reason for it. PMush Perfect posted:You realize Steak ISN'T voting me, right? Dance on his strings, puppet. Dance for Scum Steak. PMush Perfect posted:Maybe you should listen, then. Or are you conveniently forgetting the times town told you that? PMush Perfect posted:Hmmm, I wonder why that might be! Could it be that you always focus on the same people? Naaaaaah. When they have literally one (ONE!) vote on them. It betrays a persecution complex, which is a trap scum always fall into, because they are hyper-aware of votes against them. PMush Perfect posted:Jesus loving Christ, Amni. What am I supposed to do, ignore my suspicions because ooh someone might think it's scummy that I wanted to look into my D1 gutfeel and see if there's anything to it? Maybe I should vote someone else just to make you feel better. This is just a terrible post in every respect. PMush Perfect posted:Still angry, getting some thoughts down then probably coming back tomorrow to look at them again. And then finally, this feels performative: like "poo poo, I look mega-scummy in those posts, better pretend it's because I was getting cross" ##Vote Pmush
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And for all the stuff about confirmation bias, that doesn't work if you keep posting scummy poo poo.
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sandnavyguy posted:... I mean... SNG is still scum, just in case anyone is wondering.
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Sci, you’ve given detailed breakdowns on everyone else, I’m feeling left out 
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Mr. Steak posted:how will the tie be broken? By lunching you and sci. And DGK for good measure
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sandnavyguy posted:Sci, you’ve given detailed breakdowns on everyone else, I’m feeling left out I'm absolutely happy to do that, but I am puzzled by your assertion that I have done a detailed breakdown on "everyone else"... As far as I remember, I've only done what I would consider to be a proper case on one person... I am in the middle of a call, and I'm very bored, so I'll see what I can do on your posts when it's not obvious that I'm not concentrating on UAT.
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Yeah I think PMush is a more solid lunch than DB today. Not sure what SNGs case on sci is other than the same spurious D1 meta crap ##vote PMush
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Nov 10, 2020 13:38
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I feel like STG is getting an easy pass right now as well, has barely posted recently, I can see newbie scum trying to avoid attracting attention by lurking and just hoping to make it to the next night
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OK, so I'm not going to focus on SNG's awkward jokes, because that is null for him: he is always mega-awkward to me when the game starts. However: sandnavyguy posted:Steaks posting chaotic as per usual, but I’ve been wrong about them four games in a row, so obviously I will concede to my betters for their steak-Dar. But not quite yet. sandnavyguy posted:##vote Steak This is when SNG manufactured his reason for voting Steak. Starts off calling Steak's posting style null, which it is, and his reasoning is faked: he originally states that Steak is playing his usual chaotic game, then moves to accuse him of being scummy for being too focused. It's just fundamentally a silly reason to vote for someone, but it also comes off the back of the thread generally moving towards a bif/steak dichotomy. Now that BIf has flipped, we can view SNG's vote for Steak in the light of scum players knowing at this point that Bif was not on their team. I think Steak is town, I'm pretty sure SNG is scum, and I think he picked Steak so that he would perpetuate the dichtomy rather than taking the riskier strategy of voting for Bif. He doubles down on this later: sandnavyguy posted:I could buy you feeling they are acting townish, but this most definitely is not their normal D1 post style as Town and I'm not sure why you're pretending it is? I genuinely can't see any difference between Steak's play in other games vs. this game. Steak's posting looks like scum-hunting to me, I don't see this posting as scum play in D1. Then there's the softpush OMGUS, which is lovely. sandnavyguy posted:currentscum reads are: Steak Sci and sorta-kinda DGK Of course, because I disagree with SNG, I must be scum. But of course, SNG is shy of being accused of OMGUSing, so he just sort of drops my name, rather than actually pointing out in any way why he thinks I'm scum, or putting a vote on me. He continues in this vein: sandnavyguy posted:see, heres the thing. More softpushing me as scum, this time because of something he has done in a previous game. Again, here calling me scum, but not actually voting for me or giving a credible reason for it. And again, he gives himself SO MUCH room to back out of his calls: sandnavyguy posted:none of this changes the fact I currently still find steak more of a target rn, because if sci is scum then they are definitely trying to protect a scumbro, Thinking Steak is scum is like the easiest possible stance to take imaginable, and his reason at this stage is still "Steak is being focused" which is a terrible reason to tunnel for this long. And in fact, SNG begins backing off just as the impetus begins moving off Steak: sandnavyguy posted:I’m watching for steak reactions and they aren’t jumping at me the way I thought they would as scum. Look how he gives himself room to back off his ludicrously thinly formed opinion here. He thinks Steak is scum for being "too focused" and starts thinking off backing off because of "reactions". Then Bif claims, and SNG does a ridiculously performative vote. Look at it: sandnavyguy posted:... I mean... Just awful. Seriously, he can't just vote for the claimed 3P, he is so conscious of appearances that he can't resist posting an over-explained vote. AND he's setting the game up for executing Steak anyway today. Which he proceeds to do: sandnavyguy posted:New day, same reads, a 3p lunch doesn’t really help or hinder anything from the votes or the way it’s played out, except maybe some suspicion on early votes on bif pre-3p announcement.  REASONS THE SAME AS BEFORE D1 LUNCH Whole lot of nothing in this post that isn't actually scumhunting. In fact, my last sentence there sums up SNG's posts quite neatly: he's posting a lot of things that superficially look like he's scumhunting, but really, really what is he adding? Tunneling on Steak (the easiest of easy targets) for loving terrible reasons and softpushing and null reading loads of players. There is nothing useful in these posts, and he is hedging and giving himself room to back out of those very few calls he does make.
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ObamaAkbar. posted:Yeah I think PMush is a more solid lunch than DB today. My case *is* spurious D1 meta crap. but unlike steak usually sci is more surgical and well... verbose with their arguments, which I find odd here. Though He did just say he's distracted so that could explain it. crap or no, Its enough to make me suspicious, about 2 levels below steak, and a level above DGK. As for STG, they are definitely lurking, but as newbie scum I tended to want to be an active player, so I'm biased to think they are hesitant town. I think a Pmush or a DB lunch is a mistake. Pmush because they dont seem that scummy to me, DB because the cases are crappier than mine on Sci. Vote Steak for a better tomorrow. or DGK.
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I'd vote dgk. Dont think they are offering real opinions.DGK2000 posted:I think DB is scum and has a vote parked on AA, which tends to be a scum move since who the vote gets parked on tends to also be scum. Looks fake, and they're shading me as well lol. Called out sandwolf for calling mush snipey with ironicat, ironically Next in game post is vote on bif. Then a quote of redhammer. They are coasting scum imo, jumping where convenient and really staying hidden. ##vote dgk
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Hey you know what you call staying locked on a likely target that everyone suddenly decides is no longer viable because of someone randomly diming themselves out as 3p? Tunneling apparently. Anyway, Youre wrong sci, start hunting down another path, or youll lead town to a mislunch. Im sorry Im zeroed in on your scumbro.
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actually, for someone so sure I'm scum, you certainly don't want to vote me apparently.
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sandnavyguy posted:actually, for someone so sure I'm scum, you certainly don't want to vote me apparently. Well yes, because I am more confident that someone else is scum. I know you read my case against PMush, why are you acting like you didn’t?
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sandnavyguy posted:Hey you know what you call staying locked on a likely target that everyone suddenly decides is no longer viable because of someone randomly diming themselves out as 3p? Tunneling apparently. It’s tunnelling because you have no case, you’ve just decided you can get Steak executed. Please lay it out for me, because if you really think Steak is scum, you should be trying to persuade other people of your point of view: I am agog to hear what you have to say, because at the moment it just looks like “he posted weird on D1, but not weird like normal, weird like something else, and that something else is scummy”, which is very much not a persuasive case.
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Scientastic posted:Well yes, because I am more confident that someone else is scum. I know you read my case against PMush, why are you acting like you didn’t? I did, I just think that you’re wrong on all three counts.
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