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I want to know what it's running to get those numbers. that is, what penalty does the x64 translation layer add? also those numbers are meaningless to me without units
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Pulcinella posted:Hard to believe just because it’s so much faster. Though I guess I can believe Intel has been grifting for years. it means if it took you 3.5 minutes to compile your fart app before, now it will only take 1 minute to compile it. or if a linux iso took 3.5 minutes to download before, now it will only take 1 minute. etc.
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Achmed Jones posted:I want to know what it's running to get those numbers. that is, what penalty does the x64 translation layer add? they're geekbench units
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infernal machines posted:they're geekbench units so they’re pretty small then
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Achmed Jones posted:I want to know what it's running to get those numbers. that is, what penalty does the x64 translation layer add? those are native arm benchmark scores
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Nov 12, 2020 05:25
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Pulcinella posted:Hard to believe just because it’s so much faster. Though I guess I can believe Intel has been grifting for years. according to geekbench the top of the line 2020 intel laptop is 50% faster than my not top of the line 2015 mbp. intel's been pretty loving stagnant for a while.
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or maybe mackbooks pro have horrible thermal design and everything just throttles down all the time
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Nov 12, 2020 05:32
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fart simpson posted:or maybe mackbooks pro have horrible thermal design and everything just throttles down all the time remember apple exclusively calls them notebooks because they aren't actually supposed to be used on your lap
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Nov 12, 2020 05:45
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fart simpson posted:or maybe mackbooks pro have horrible thermal design and everything just throttles down all the time geekbench doesn't run long enough for thermal throttling to be an issue as long as the machine is cool when you start
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Nov 12, 2020 05:50
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no wireless. less space than a nomad. LAME
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Nov 12, 2020 06:18
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Pulcinella posted:Hard to believe just because it’s so much faster. Though I guess I can believe Intel has been grifting for years. not hard to believe if you’ve been paying attention to the iPads at all. the current iPad Pro outperforms the i9 MacBook Pro on most benchmarks.
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Nov 12, 2020 06:31
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including the most important benchmark. how much work can you get done w/ it
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Nov 12, 2020 06:54
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fart simpson posted:or maybe mackbooks pro have horrible thermal design and everything just throttles down all the time i love how meeting intel's thermal requirements is interpreted as horrible design and constantly memed about actually i don't really love it, it's stupid
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what did intel lie to apple about when the processors would throttle or something? I don't see how the letting the processor throttle a lot is on intel unless it's basically impossible for it not to do that - and as far as I know other manufacturers have figured it out
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Achmed Jones posted:what did intel lie to apple about when the processors would throttle or something? I don't see how the letting the processor throttle a lot is on intel unless it's basically impossible for it not to do that - and as far as I know other manufacturers have figured it out have other laptop makers really figured out how to not throttle? I can't imagine any laptop being able to dissipate a 50W chip without being more than an inch thick
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Achmed Jones posted:what did intel lie to apple about when the processors would throttle or something? I don't see how the letting the processor throttle a lot is on intel unless it's basically impossible for it not to do that - and as far as I know other manufacturers have figured it out no they haven’t. the only manufacturers that have figured it out are the ones building giant cooling systems, aka gaming laptops. ultra books and MacBook competitors like the dell XPS also throttle like crazy on sustained loads.
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Nov 12, 2020 07:24
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pram posted:no wireless. less space than a nomad. LAME
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seems like this chip is fast, op
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i’ve got a hard bone for that mba because of it being fanless. i love my shitbox mb 12 for that reason. I am way too tight to actually buy a mac at full retail price, but this one seems cheap i think i’m in love, friends
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Achmed Jones posted:what did intel lie to apple about when the processors would throttle or something? I don't see how the letting the processor throttle a lot is on intel unless it's basically impossible for it not to do that - and as far as I know other manufacturers have figured it out not saying intel lied to apple. i'm saying that modern intel power and thermal engineering is loving complicated and the public doesn't understand it, or how apple works with it as an example of how people don't understand it, if you use intel's definition of throttle, apple's products almost never do! "throttle" is an emergency mode entered when the cpu thinks there's risk of permanent damage to itself or the VRMs due to either overtemp or overcurrent. it doesn't stop at reducing clocks and voltages to absolute minimums, it also does fun stuff like throttle the rate of instruction dispatch (hence the name) real-deal throttling means the system integrator done hosed up. i know of only one example where apple actually did this, and it was a silly and quickly corrected firmware mistake rather than bad thermal engineering anyways, thermal design choices which don't violate intel's specs can influence performance. in many cases, the spec explicitly empowers the system integrator to pick where on the performance-vs-power curve they want to operate apple likes to put battery life (or thin, or quiet, or all the above) ahead of best benchmarks, so it's easy to find benches which make them look "bad" to the less informed. combine that with an internet thirsty to dunk on them, and you have a recipe for "APPLE BAD AT THERMALS" memes which make your teeth grind if you understand what's actually going on
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BobHoward posted:"APPLE BAD AT THERMALS" tl;dr, thanks for this summary toward the bottom oft he post
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BobHoward posted:not saying intel lied to apple. i'm saying that modern intel power and thermal engineering is loving complicated and the public doesn't understand it, or how apple works with it yeah, people got pretty stupid when the first couple gens of the core 2 architecture had chips that could run at their turbo frequency sustained with the default TDP. These are turbo clocks, not base clocks, the CPU isn't supposed to be hanging on them for extended periods unless you've hooked a leaf blower up for cooling BangersInMyKnickers fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Nov 12, 2020 |
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on that subject it'll be pretty interesting to see what the conditions for those truly excellent geekbench numbers are. it lists the frequency at 3.2 ghz, but it is probably optimistic to expect it to sustain that clock (individual geekbench tests are pretty short). plenty of room to throttle back a bit and still be extremely high performance though.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:on that subject it'll be pretty interesting to see what the conditions for those truly excellent geekbench numbers are. it lists the frequency at 3.2 ghz, but it is probably optimistic to expect it to sustain that clock (individual geekbench tests are pretty short). plenty of room to throttle back a bit and still be extremely high performance though. assuming legitimacy with the air, etc, i am going to cackle when the mac mini puts out numbers that exceeds any mac they’ve shipped except, I suppose, the new 13-inch pro
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Nov 12, 2020 15:14
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fart simpson posted:including the most important benchmark. how much work can you get done w/ it excuse me, i'm a reviewer at cnet. my work is running geekbench on as many different devices as possible and presenting the numbers as if they're meaningful
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Nov 12, 2020 15:18
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inferis posted:remember apple exclusively calls them notebooks because they aren't actually supposed to be used on your lap remember the old 12 inch G4’s that were just hot irons
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sonatinas posted:remember the old 12 inch G4’s that were just hot irons turns out apple figured out male birth control decades ago
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Achmed Jones posted:I want to know what it's running to get those numbers. that is, what penalty does the x64 translation layer add? people understand that the x86-64 to ARM64 translator isn’t jit, right? that it does it ahead of time?
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Nov 12, 2020 16:07
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BobHoward posted:real-deal throttling means the system integrator done hosed up. i know of only one example where apple actually did this, and it was a silly and quickly corrected firmware mistake rather than bad thermal engineering
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from shsc re: veteran’s day promo pricing and going all in on m1 on day 1 lol
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qirex posted:was this when the old plastic macbooks would spontaneously shut down under load? because that was not fixed quickly, I got 3 logic board replacements over a full calendar year before the firmware update that fixed it weren't they using an entire jar of helmann's under the heatsink until their repair guides finally got updated?
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my gf is gonna get the new MacBook Air, she got a dell xps a few weeks ago but the screen kept blinking on and off, and their customer service was insanely lovely so she just got a refund i think she’ll like it a whole lot but she’s worried she won’t like the ui, which she described as “infantile” lol
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I suppose the flat sparse windows 10 settings ui built for a tablet is more senile than infantile
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jesus WEP posted:i think she’ll like it a whole lot but she’s worried she won’t like the ui, which she described as “infantile” lol
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Mr. Nice! posted:correct me if i'm wrong, but intel never really got the 7nm process down and their chips are at best 10nm. and now apple is releasing their own chip with a 5nm process? how is intel so bad at this? if my understanding of industry trends is correct, it's because Intel bet big on one flavor of lithography (and hasn't gotten it to work) while everybody else in the fab industry went with another method
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but, again, the numbers are also not comparable. intel hosed up, and continues to gently caress up, but the numbers both over- and undersell the fuckup.
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mediaphage posted:assuming legitimacy with the air, etc, i am going to cackle when the mac mini puts out numbers that exceeds any mac they’ve shipped except, I suppose, the new 13-inch pro yeah, my guess is that the numbers are real but basically reflect what you get when you stick the air in the freezer for the duration of the test. but that is *still* incredibly impressive, if the steady-state is half that it is doing great.
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Doc Block posted:people understand that the x86-64 to ARM64 translator isn’t jit, right? that it does it ahead of time? you still need the ability to jit since anything can just mmap memory with PROT_EXEC, load whatever they want into it and jump into it emulators with dynarecs for instance
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