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TheOneAndOnlyT posted:It is but it also isn't going to happen. They're literally at the One Weird Trick stage of believing they can still somehow pull this off. Clinton supporters in 2016 floated the same idea between the election and the electoral college vote. going full Hillary does ensure no one locks you up, so it's a good strategy
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Gerund posted:Just to check, does your speech-to-text also explain why you keep getting caught saying that "normal people" are opposed to what "those people" are doing in the larger movement for Black lives? What the gently caress ??
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, Operation Eagle Claw was a loving shitshow as was Black Hawk Down/etc. 20 states? That has to include some hilariously blue states right? I compared this to 1876 earlier, but even that had just 4 states with a dust-up.
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In case anyone wants to read the full context of that 400k quote, and wants to see a PBS Frontline reporter doing a decent job of holding her feet to the fire, it's here. tldr, her argument is that the executive is required to enforce the laws passed by congress, and that she and the Obama administration were working to enforce that law as best as they could by prioritizing deporting criminals and not just regular folks. I don't personally buy her argument, but that's it in a nutshell.
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Gerund posted:Harrison, you say? I don't think Harrison did any better than flaming out before Iowa either. Only lasted 31 days to boot.
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Edmund Lava posted:Already deleted. What was it? Copied for a new page  
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Again, I'm only gonna tell you once. Make whatever point you're going to make, but the accessibility measures that I use for my disability or not something I'm going to apologize for, and you are acting like an rear end in a top hat about it.
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Edmund Lava posted:Already deleted. What was it? Assuming it's the White House shop already selling Biden inauguration stuff.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:17
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Rust Martialis posted:No, you just made that up in your head. https://twitter.com/basspankai/status/1297671151183892481 its literally her words dude
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Nov 12, 2020 22:18
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I may be wrong but I am pretty sure that electors are selected by the Democratic party or the winning party of the state. So in order to get faithless electors you'd have to have a bunch of democrats all willing to select Trump instead of Biden. I am pretty sure that's how it works.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:18
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Youth Decay posted:20 states? That has to include some hilariously blue states right? I hope they try for some pointless vanity push like getting the NY electors to flip so the state turns red, just go for maximum humiliation. Rust Martialis posted:No, you just made that up in your head. 'you just keep giving us money to deport people and we, the executive branch in charge of the agencies that deport people, can't NOT spend it' is either her being coy to deflect or her just genuinely not giving a poo poo.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:19
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generic one posted:It looks like she was on the transition team back in September, but I can’t find her name anywhere on the agency review teams list. Maybe her name getting noticed is based on old news? My understanding is that the Agency Review Teams and the Biden Transition Team are separate entities (the former is overseen by the latter). You won't find Ted Kaufman's name on the ART list either but he's in charge of the whole thing. Muñoz being on the transition team was mentioned yesterday in this AP article which I think is why there is sudden interest in her. quote:Biden named Cecilia Munoz, President Barack Obama’s top immigration adviser, to his transition team, which some interpreted as signaling a more moderate tack. Her being in Biden's orbit is not fake news, I'm afraid. sexpig by night posted:'you just keep giving us money to deport people and we, the executive branch in charge of the agencies that deport people, can't NOT spend it' is either her being coy to deflect or her just genuinely not giving a poo poo. Yes, the executive branch has wide latitude in how it goes about enforcement. You only ever hear the argument "nuh uh Congress is making us do this" when it's something they want to do but don't want to eat the blame over.
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Hollismason posted:I may be wrong but I am pretty sure that electors are selected by the Democratic party or the winning party of the state. So in order to get faithless electors you'd have to have a bunch of democrats all willing to select Trump instead of Biden. Yes. For example Stacey Abrams has announced she’s a delegate for Georgia. Hillary will likely be one for New York, as Bill was in the past. These are the kind of people they think they can get to go rogue. Edit with link so you can see who they’re sending https://twitter.com/staceyabrams/status/1326972015216037889?s=21
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37 blue state electors would be needed to flip to send it to the house. Maybe Kid Rock and some chud celebrities can make a video this time
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sexpig by night posted:the overwhelming pro-democratic party media apparatus not reporting on the multiple very public scandals she had means they actually didn't exist. I mean it's not like you actually check any sources you post anyhow beyond headlines, so how would you know what the media is saying?
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Handsome Ralph posted:Copied for a new page i am curious what new awful Christmas design/set up will be this year. i already blew like 100 bucks on ornaments this year because "gently caress it". Youth Decay posted:20 states? That has to include some hilariously blue states right? its desperation. they are throwing poo poo at the wall and making scary faces and hoping Biden just quits.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:21
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Hollismason posted:I may be wrong but I am pretty sure that electors are selected by the Democratic party or the winning party of the state. So in order to get faithless electors you'd have to have a bunch of democrats all willing to select Trump instead of Biden. I think there's some where the legislature as a whole picks or something? Wasn't PA making some weird hay about this poo poo earlier in the week because their republican government decided to be all 'oh gee but things are so WEIRD this election we dunno what we'll dooooo'?
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Nov 12, 2020 22:22
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/basspankai/status/1297671151183892481 No you made up how she thought it was "cool and good" , dude. Learn to read.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:22
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Pick posted:Again, I'm only gonna tell you once. Make whatever point you're going to make, but the accessibility measures that I use for my disability or not something I'm going to apologize for, and you are acting like an rear end in a top hat about it. I believed that you have a pattern and practice in this thread of framing discussions of Black people being murdered by police as something that "they" do that is opposed by "normal people". This troubles me because these are the pronouns and framing of a white supremacist mindset. If you need to work on things, so be it, and if you are having trouble communicating because of disability there is no reason to keep it up; but those biases are still something worth looking into no matter how you access anything.
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Rust Martialis posted:No, you just made that up in your head. It's actually very much indicative of how immigration activists view Muñoz.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:22
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Pick posted:Again, I'm only gonna tell you once. Make whatever point you're going to make, but the accessibility measures that I use for my disability or not something I'm going to apologize for, and you are acting like an rear end in a top hat about it. It was bog standard ribbing over an appparent typo/autocorrect error, and incredibly mild. No one is going to remember your disability or keep a special list of posters who should be immune to gentle ribbing
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Nov 12, 2020 22:23
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yeah for reference the electors in the electoral vote system are party loyalists on the tier of hillary clinton so you know, just convince ~35 people that are clinton-level loyal to the democratic party to switch their votes to trump, easy peasy no biggie
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Nov 12, 2020 22:23
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Rust Martialis posted:No, you just made that up in your head. People are, correctly, extremely concerned that Biden will screw over immigration issues like Obama did, despite being significantly better than Trump on them.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:24
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Rust Martialis posted:No you made up how she thought it was "cool and good" , dude. Learn to read. She is definitely lying about it being an obligation under the law, though, so what should we infer based on that?
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Harold Fjord posted:It was bog standard ribbing over an appparent typo/autocorrect error, and incredibly mild. No one is going to remember your disability or keep a special list of posters who should be immune to gentle ribbing I mean I'm going to drop it because I will remember, but I still find it troubling whenever anyone talks in terms of "those people" being opposed by "normal people" no matter how someone accesses anything. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i am curious what new awful Christmas design/set up will be this year. i already blew like 100 bucks on ornaments this year because "gently caress it". They know Biden won't quit, this is all just for making it appear to would-be donors that there's still a chance if only they would send them more of their social security check.
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I do kind of wonder what kind of poo poo Pence is going to pull in January with the Joint Session of Congress? I forget the full details but I know Pence precides over something related to Biden being President in January.
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Nov 12, 2020 22:25
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Gerund posted:I believed that you have a pattern and practice in this thread of framing discussions of Black people being murdered by police as something that "they" do that is opposed by "normal people". This troubles me because these are the pronouns and framing of a white supremacist mindset. Why don't you post those things then. Instead of doing this weird whisper campaign when it's absolutely not something that I've ever said. Especially as a pivot to cover your rear end for using a typo based on someone's accessibility to dismiss their post. You were calling me a white supremacist based on loving nothing as a way to double down on abusive behavior towards someone with a busted skeleton. What the gently caress is wrong with you,.
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Rust Martialis posted:No you made up how she thought it was "cool and good" , dude. Learn to read. so just to be clear your main issue is that you want us to acknowledge she supported the executive pretending to be helpless in the face of congress...giving them a budget... but she was, like, super bummed about it?
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, Operation Eagle Claw was a loving shitshow as was Black Hawk Down/etc. This is idiocy, since I'm pretty sure the dems get to nominate them
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Yeah, it's another even lesser known quirk of our terrible presidential election system. When you tick a box next to a candidate's name on a ballot, you are actually casting a vote for a group of electors. These groups are entirely disjoint because they are selected for the express purpose of voting for one candidate or the other; whichever group wins the state popular vote gets to cast electoral votes and the other group does not*. Flipping these groups is basically impossible because loyalty to their chosen candidate is the most important quality by which they're selected in the first place. Also SCOTUS ruled in favor of state laws binding electoral votes so in many cases it may be literally illegal. *except a couple of states which use weirder systems
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Sub Par posted:tldr, her argument is that the executive is required to enforce the laws passed by congress, and that she and the Obama administration were working to enforce that law as best as they could by prioritizing deporting criminals and not just regular folks. I don't personally buy her argument, but that's it in a nutshell. It's a crock of horseshit especially when you consider the administration set the terms for what it considered criminals that needed to be deported. Crucially they considered illegal entry, overstaying a visa, and other similar victimless immigration infractions to be serious enough crimes to warrant deportations and it's why their numbers got so loving huge. Obama deported the entire prison populations of the US worths of people during his tenure, so really the notion that it was dangerous criminals is absolutely laughable.
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Arsenic Lupin posted:The Democrats don't have party messaging about cops. "Defund the Police" is a popular grass-roots movement, and the Republicans are going to blame the Democrats for it regardless. See the 1619 Project, also not a project of the Democratic Party. This part is exactly the problem. If they DID have some sort of party messaging, even if it was "Stop Bad Cops", the Republicans would have a more difficult time filling in the gaps, and it would make space for individual politicians to additionally run on defunding the police. Defund the police is mostly bad rhetoric for the Democratic party, not the people actually using it, and it's absurd that the party still isn't doing anything at all to get ahead of the issue and establish their own police-oriented narrative instead of letting the Republicans define it for them. Attacking the activists for the failures of the Democratic party is stupid.
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TulliusCicero posted:This is idiocy, since I'm pretty sure the dems get to nominate them I assumed, like electoral vote allocation, this varied by state
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Hollismason posted:I may be wrong but I am pretty sure that electors are selected by the Democratic party or the winning party of the state. So in order to get faithless electors you'd have to have a bunch of democrats all willing to select Trump instead of Biden. They're selected before the election but yes. The only way you'd conceivably flip that many electors would be via some sort of large scale blackmail scheme.
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Jaxyon posted:Everybody saying he should buy OANN instead of starting his own service forget that he can't afford to buy OANN and he's not going to start his own network because he's broke. this sounds fun but why are people saying hes broke?
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Hollismason posted:I do kind of wonder what kind of poo poo Pence is going to pull in January with the Joint Session of Congress? I forget the full details but I know Pence precides over something related to Biden being President in January. Pence so far hasn't indicated he's at all on board with Trump's "I really won" narrative. He's been remarkably quiet, except to take credit for the vaccine that Pfizer clearly stated their administration had nothing to do with, and to cancel his Florida vacation. I mean, what's Trump gonna do, fire him? thewalk posted:this sounds fun but why are people saying hes broke? Because he is? He has incredible debts, so high he used them to not pay any taxes. This is well known.
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TulliusCicero posted:This is idiocy, since I'm pretty sure the dems get to nominate them That doesn't mean that can't attempt to bribe, blackmail, or threaten them. Trump will use every legal, quasi-legal and illegal method he can to hold on to power.
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sexpig by night posted:so just to be clear your main issue is that you want us to acknowledge she supported the executive pretending to be helpless in the face of congress...giving them a budget... but she was, like, super bummed about it? Don’t you know that only the words people say matter not what actions they actually carry out
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Rust Martialis posted:No you made up how she thought it was "cool and good" , dude. Learn to read. she is on video giving a full-throated defense of her office using the funding provided to it in order to deport as many people as possible. are you saying that she did not think it was good and proper for her office to do such a thing (a more decorous way of saying cool and good, if you will)?
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