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Renegret
May 26, 2007

THANK YOU FOR CALLING HELP DOG, INC.

YOUR POSITION IN THE QUEUE IS *pbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt*


Cat Army Sworn Enemy
I know it's not at all what you're talking about, but I don't even trust our call center with insight into open tickets.

What's that? This customer's service is completely out? Why yes I happen to have the ticket number for youtube being down sitting right here in my clipboard. Lower call times are good for the customer :downs:

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Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Renegret posted:

I know it's not at all what you're talking about, but I don't even trust our call center with insight into open tickets.

What's that? This customer's service is completely out? Why yes I happen to have the ticket number for youtube being down sitting right here in my clipboard. Lower call times are good for the customer :downs:

That's kind of what you get when you make a call center all about metrics and not about helping the caller. Just a race to the bottom.

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

Zil posted:

That's kind of what you get when you make a call center all about metrics and not about helping the caller. Just a race to the bottom.

Replace "call center" and "caller" with literally anything that makes sense and this is still a true statement.

This is just typical badly run business poo poo. It's what you do when your reach exceeds your grasp and you have to hire a bunch of idiots as middle managers.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


RFC2324 posted:

The other downside I can see doing that for an internal system is "helpful" employees who are "good at computer" spending all their time surfing issues "helping" other employees.

Yeah the other case study I was thinking is apple/microsoft forums filled with people who don't really know what they're talking about.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Jaded Burnout posted:

Yeah the other case study I was thinking is apple/microsoft forums filled with people who don't really know what they're talking about.

God yes that is so annoying, ask a question get a bullshit answer from a random person who has MVP next to their name (not an employee just a prolific poster).

Motronic
Nov 6, 2009

orange juche posted:

God yes that is so annoying, ask a question get a bullshit answer from a random person who has MVP next to their name (not an employee just a prolific poster).

Those are the same kinds of forums where there is a huge predominance of prolific posters who feel like every question being asked is directed to them, to the point of answering posts just to say they don't know. It's just baffling.

PurplPenisEata
Jul 21, 2004
I WANT TO BLOW DOUCHEBAG CHEFS
I was looking up a semi known issue with a bit of software I'm learning. Found the community forums and every thread I saw mention the issue, the same guy would reply "search the forums". So I did. He was the first reply to 7 people with that, and never once pointed any one to the thread he was talking about.

Sweet way to get your post count up!

That said everyone else in the FreeCAD forums is super helpful, and both the second and third answer in each of those threads provided insight and possible work arounds.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

Jaded Burnout posted:

Yeah the other case study I was thinking is apple/microsoft forums filled with people who don't really know what they're talking about.

Technet or whatever the Microsoft forums are branded these days is such a quagmire of poo poo, know-nothings, and bottom-tier MS staff whose sole job appears to be "respond to a worthless post and even more worthless response with a worthless reminder to click 'solved' if the question was answered" that I've added it to the extension that blocks certain domains from google results.

All technet does is poo poo up page after page of google results that could be better taken up with hits from specialist forums populated by people who know how to describe a problem and whose solution is not "I just formatted and rebuilt the server and the problem is gone".

tl;dr: gently caress technet.

i am a moron
Nov 12, 2020

"I think if there’s one thing we can all agree on it’s that Penn State and Michigan both suck and are garbage and it’s hilarious Michigan fans are freaking out thinking this is their natty window when they can’t even beat a B12 team in the playoffs lmao"
Technet and Stack are basically the same. Try everything anyone suggested at any point in the thread and there is a nonzero chance it will work.

Spiceworks is the home of absolutely nonsense garbage from SMB know nothings who are faking their way through being employed on the absolute saddest edge of the industry.

Impotence
Nov 8, 2010
Lipstick Apathy

Weatherman posted:

Technet or whatever the Microsoft forums are branded these days is such a quagmire of poo poo, know-nothings, and bottom-tier MS staff whose sole job appears to be "respond to a worthless post and even more worthless response with a worthless reminder to click 'solved' if the question was answered" that I've added it to the extension that blocks certain domains from google results.

All technet does is poo poo up page after page of google results that could be better taken up with hits from specialist forums populated by people who know how to describe a problem and whose solution is not "I just formatted and rebuilt the server and the problem is gone".

tl;dr: gently caress technet.

I found it hilarious to run into this post while I was binging something and clicked onto a technet thread where it was just ten "MVP Independent Advisor" people with multiline sigs containing "PLEASE MARK SOLVED IF I HELPED YOU, MS ADVISOR SINCE 2010, DONT FORGET TO THANK IF HELPED, [PC specs here]" all suggesting sfc /scannow in a massive blatantly copypasted wall of text.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
It's slightly depressing how often just running sfc /scannow will at least hide the issue for a while.

Guy Axlerod
Dec 29, 2008
I love when the top google hit is a post describing my exact issue and the only answer is "Just google it you simpleton".

My company added a #itsupport channel on slack when they went remote. As an IT adjacent person I got added. The first question comes in and a whole bunch of "helpful" responses flood in. I left the channel.

The Iron Rose
May 12, 2012

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

Arquinsiel posted:

It's slightly depressing how often just running sfc /scannow will at least hide the issue for a while.

Uhhhh that surprises me. In a fair few years of computering the only thing I’ve used it for is distracting Users while l fixed the real issues. I’ve never once seen it actually fix anything at all.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

The Iron Rose posted:

Uhhhh that surprises me. In a fair few years of computering the only thing I’ve used it for is distracting Users while l fixed the real issues. I’ve never once seen it actually fix anything at all.
I've seen it work a few times. It's at least nice when it tells you what it had to repair, but sometimes it'll report no issues found but somehow the problem has gone away. Then it comes back.

MJP
Jun 17, 2007

Are you looking at me Senpai?

Grimey Drawer
What's the goon zeitgeist opinion on cloud backup platforms for home machines? Around 5TB of data, never really had to do a restore, and I've previously had Crashplan. Used to be a great deal for unlimited storage but I was hoping for something that didn't eat up local disk space and could schedule backups to absolutely not occur during certain timeframes.

The catch is that I've got a NAS mapped as a network share that contains most of the stuff I want to back up, and the second any network storage is involved, it's The Business Plan for you.

lament.cfg
Dec 28, 2006

we have such posts
to show you




I have a Synology NAS that I configured to sync up to Backblaze B2 and it was really easy to configure, and costs almost nothing.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



lament.cfg posted:

I have a Synology NAS that I configured to sync up to Backblaze B2 and it was really easy to configure, and costs almost nothing.

For example 5TB of backup storage on B2 is like 25 bucks a month. Absolutely worth it for offsite backup.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

orange juche posted:

For example 5TB of backup storage on B2 is like 25 bucks a month. Absolutely worth it for offsite backup.

We are paying some stupid amount for offsite backup using a Veaam cloud host thing. Going to look into this.

The Fool
Oct 16, 2003


Bob Morales posted:

We are paying some stupid amount for offsite backup using a Veaam cloud host thing. Going to look into this.

Wear your loving mask bob.



Also, we use veam to backup to a dedicated synology and then mirror that to azure blob storage

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006


Just wear the fucking mask, Bob

I don't care how many people I probably infected with COVID-19 while refusing to wear a mask, my comfort is far more important than the health and safety of everyone around me!

We supposedly can spin up a limited amount of backup servers or some poo poo with our plan. At the colo, that is.

Offsitedatasync.net or something

They want some ridiculous amount to go from 4TB to say, 6TB.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.

Guy Axlerod posted:

I love when the top google hit is a post describing my exact issue and the only answer is "Just google it you simpleton".

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Worse, when there is an answer, and it's the OP saying "nevermind, I fixed it".

loving HOW, DenverCoder9? SHARE YOUR SECRETS!

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009

Motronic posted:

Those are the same kinds of forums where there is a huge predominance of prolific posters who feel like every question being asked is directed to them, to the point of answering posts just to say they don't know. It's just baffling.

And when they don't, their posts are the same copy and pasted troubleshooting template. Often ignoring the original post where they mention they did all of the troubleshooting steps that are in the stupid template.

mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Arquinsiel posted:

It's slightly depressing how often just running sfc /scannow will at least hide the issue for a while.

Oh hey, the guy who wanted my team to run sfc /scannow on a couple of machines because our Java/Python kludge of an archival system won't install because of an obscure DLL error went on sabbatical Friday without opening the tickets to have us do that. :w00t:


JackSplater posted:

So... How many people used "12345678" or "password"?

I don't know, but 12 instrument vendors have given us a PC bundled with the instrument that has a serial number of 123456789. We have thirty four machines with a s/n of "To be filled by O.E.M." The in-house inventory system that assumes serial numbers are globally unique just about had kittens when they tried to import my database of lab machines. It also assumes hostnames never, ever change.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

mllaneza posted:

Oh hey, the guy who wanted my team to run sfc /scannow on a couple of machines because our Java/Python kludge of an archival system won't install because of an obscure DLL error went on sabbatical Friday without opening the tickets to have us do that. :w00t:
Either you're going to find that the DLL has been updated beyond what the kludge system can use, or you'll find that the DLL is an older version that doesn't need to be updated because

When he opens the ticket, obviously.

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

mllaneza posted:

I don't know, but 12 instrument vendors have given us a PC bundled with the instrument that has a serial number of 123456789. We have thirty four machines with a s/n of "To be filled by O.E.M." The in-house inventory system that assumes serial numbers are globally unique just about had kittens when they tried to import my database of lab machines. It also assumes hostnames never, ever change.
In a big PC refresh we did about a decade ago we got two PCs with the same MAC. Fortunately they ended up on opposite ends of the state and never ended up on the same subnet, so it never caused any technical issues, but man did that confuse us for a while until we confirmed that they were in fact different machines.

Dunno-Lars
Apr 7, 2011
:norway:

:iiam:



Knormal posted:

In a big PC refresh we did about a decade ago we got two PCs with the same MAC. Fortunately they ended up on opposite ends of the state and never ended up on the same subnet, so it never caused any technical issues, but man did that confuse us for a while until we confirmed that they were in fact different machines.

I thought that MAC were unique? A part of it is the manufacturer and the rest can be compared to the serial number?

senrath
Nov 4, 2009

Look Professor, a destruct switch!


Dunno-Lars posted:

I thought that MAC were unique? A part of it is the manufacturer and the rest can be compared to the serial number?

Manufacturers can and have reused MAC addresses before, and still do.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
You can also spoof or change MACs easily on many devices. It’s why most infosec people will tell you MAC filtering on your consumer grade router is more trouble than it’s worth.

Incidentally, two of my personal triggers are people who pronounce “nuclear” as “nuke-you-lar,” and people who interchange Mac[OS] and MAC like there’s no distinction between them.

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



New from McDNS, the McAddress.

Geemer
Nov 4, 2010



Dunno-Lars posted:

I thought that MAC were unique? A part of it is the manufacturer and the rest can be compared to the serial number?

I've had power surges change my motherboard's built in NIC's MAC address to 00-00-00-00-00-10 on two separate occasions.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

📈📊🍪😋



Dirt Road Junglist posted:

You can also spoof or change MACs easily on many devices. It’s why most infosec people will tell you MAC filtering on your consumer grade router is more trouble than it’s worth.

Incidentally, two of my personal triggers are people who pronounce “nuclear” as “nuke-you-lar,” and people who interchange Mac[OS] and MAC like there’s no distinction between them.

I buy an Apple from MAC


Then I use it to visit a WEB site

rafikki
Mar 8, 2008

I see what you did there. (It's pretty easy, since ducks have a field of vision spanning 340 degrees.)

~SMcD


Dunno-Lars posted:

I thought that MAC were unique? A part of it is the manufacturer and the rest can be compared to the serial number?

Each individual Ethernet interface on a Palo Alto firewall (of the same model at least) will have the same MAC address as other PAN fws. Eth1/1 on FW1 will have the same MAC address as eth1/1 on fw2. Usually not a problem, unless you’re connecting them over, say, a point to point link. You can fix it by putting them different HA groups, which slightly changes the MAC address.

AlexDeGruven
Jun 29, 2007

Watch me pull my dongle out of this tiny box


Dunno-Lars posted:

I thought that MAC were unique? A part of it is the manufacturer and the rest can be compared to the serial number?

We had a conflict at a LAN party long ago because the server's NIC shipped with a 00:00:00:00:00:00 MAC. This was fine for years until someone showed up with a NIC that was configured the same way.

mattfl
Aug 27, 2004

Ticket comes in, laptop seems to be coming apart





ya, uhh bring that in asap please before it explodes

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


Ticket comes in:



I HEARD FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE THAT YOU HOOKED UP A DIESEL GENERATOR AND YOUR NEW STUFF IS READY TO GO


i have no idea who the gently caress you heard that from buddy but they're full of poo poo

stevewm
May 10, 2005

senrath posted:

Manufacturers can and have reused MAC addresses before, and still do.

I ran into this before...

We bought some finger print based time clocks designed to work with the time and attendance system that we used at the time.

Shortly after plugging the second one in, it was discovered that all of them had the same hardcoded MAC address. The supplier saw no problem with this.

stevewm
May 10, 2005

mattfl posted:

Ticket comes in, laptop seems to be coming apart





ya, uhh bring that in asap please before it explodes

I've had a few 1st gen Microsoft Surface Books looking just like that. Except the battery is behind the screen, so that gets cracked as well. Microsoft sends a "fireproof" box to ship it back to them with.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


mattfl posted:

Ticket comes in, laptop seems to be coming apart





ya, uhh bring that in asap please before it explodes

I've had a whole pile of Dells do that to various extents, mostly Latitude 7480s, some of the early 7490s (same battery,) and a few 7470s at the end of their warranty/service life. Of course, the *battery* only has a 1 year warranty, not covered by the 3 year extended warranty, almost like they know their batteries are garbage. We started buying 7480/90 batteries by the dozen at one point.

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TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




Data Graham posted:

I buy an Apple from MAC


Then I use it to visit a WEB site

I need an APP to do that

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