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The Andalite Chronicles-Chapter 14quote:The hunger never went away. Even as we spiraled down toward the Taxxon home world, I felt it. I was thankful Loren was safe back in the Jahar. I don’t know if I could have resisted the Taxxon’s appetite. Welcome to the Taxxon homeworld! Or at least the port part of it. quote:<Busy,> Alloran muttered. <Awfully busy.> Uh oh. Chapter 15 quote:Morphing power is a wonderful tool. It allows Andalites to pass among many different species. It makes us the greatest spies in the galaxy. This is kind of a twist. Not all the Taxxons are voluntary hosts after all. quote:The train car was riding a hundred feet off the dismal plain now, just getting beyond the outskirts of the spaceport. Through the window I could actually see the cradled Skrit Na ship as we zipped past. Speaking of treatment of prisoners...
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# ? Nov 19, 2020 03:47 |
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 01:52 |
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I never read these books because I was terrified of the concept of human-animal transformations (I think Pinocchio scarred me there) and now I regret it. This book in particular is actually pretty great.
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# ? Nov 19, 2020 04:09 |
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Is there any reason the Yeerk couldn't take over Elfangor in Taxxon morph and then just demorph to get an Andalite body?
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# ? Nov 19, 2020 04:20 |
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Ravenfood posted:Is there any reason the Yeerk couldn't take over Elfangor in Taxxon morph and then just demorph to get an Andalite body? I suppose not, since Taxxons can become Controllers. You have the obvious danger of a Yeerk being out in the open around a hungry Taxxon, but since there are unwilling Taxxons they must have restraints or sedatives.
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# ? Nov 19, 2020 04:46 |
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I don't know. If a Yeerk infests an Andalite in Taxxon form, does he control an Andalite or a Taxxon? Would he be able to morph back? I don't know.
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# ? Nov 19, 2020 04:50 |
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From the Sub-Visser's perspective (who I think is gonna turn out to be Visser 3), he may simply think it's too risky—Elfangor is going to do his best not to be taken alive, the temporarily-freed Hork-Bajir may try to intervene himself, and there's a lot of space in-between for something bad to happen to the Sub-Visser while he's out of his host (And like hell would he let one of his subordinates get a crack at taking over an Andalite). It'd still probably make more sense to restrain him until he can be properly restrained and infested—even if Elfangor did run over the time limit and become a nothlit in the meantime—since then they could ply various Andalite military secrets out of his head, including the details of his mission. But,
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# ? Nov 19, 2020 05:21 |
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Epicurius posted:Morphing power is a wonderful tool. It allows Andalites to pass among many different species. It makes us the greatest spies in the galaxy. I misread this as "greatest species in the galaxy" and thought it was yet another instance of that good old fashioned
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# ? Nov 19, 2020 05:48 |
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So from Andalite warrior culture to the Yeerks... if they only got off the planet and launched their empire in the '60s, how long have they had a Council of Thirteen and an Emperor and a whole officer hierarchy? They've presumably been controlling Geds for a very long time, so maybe they had a whole little surface civilisation/s outside the pools long before Seerow showed up?Ravenfood posted:Is there any reason the Yeerk couldn't take over Elfangor in Taxxon morph and then just demorph to get an Andalite body? This actually raises the question of what happens to Visser Three when he makes Alloran's body morph.
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# ? Nov 19, 2020 07:48 |
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freebooter posted:So from Andalite warrior culture to the Yeerks... if they only got off the planet and launched their empire in the '60s, how long have they had a Council of Thirteen and an Emperor and a whole officer hierarchy? They've presumably been controlling Geds for a very long time, so maybe they had a whole little surface civilisation/s outside the pools long before Seerow showed up? I figured he would just stay in place, embedded around the brain as it changes. That would make small morphs awkward, though, since theoretically the whole z-space magic wouldn't apply to parasites. But then Visser Three never morphs small, does he? He only goes for the big flashy ones.
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# ? Nov 19, 2020 09:40 |
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Fuschia tude posted:I figured he would just stay in place, embedded around the brain as it changes. That would make small morphs awkward, though, since theoretically the whole z-space magic wouldn't apply to parasites. But then Visser Three never morphs small, does he? He only goes for the big flashy ones. We do have an example of a Yeerk doing small morphs in the book where Jake is captured. I thought I remembered it working like you described, with the Yeerk itself staying intact while the host morphs around it, but I went back and read that section (about page 35 of this thread) and couldn't find it. And given that Jake does morph an ant in that state, I think it can't be the case. The process of infestation seems so complete and intimate that the host's body makes no distinction between itself and the parasite, so it comes along with the morph while retaining its separate mind and identity. I guess if clothes can be morphed, so can a brain slug.
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# ? Nov 19, 2020 10:03 |
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wizzardstaff posted:We do have an example of a Yeerk doing small morphs in the book where Jake is captured. I thought I remembered it working like you described, with the Yeerk itself staying intact while the host morphs around it, but I went back and read that section (about page 35 of this thread) and couldn't find it. And given that Jake does morph an ant in that state, I think it can't be the case. Yeah, the implication for Temrash's adventures in morphing seem to be that the Yeerk consciousness kind of sublimates in order to maintain control over both the morph and the host, again playing into that mind/body disparity that the series is so fond of. It's similar to how Jake can have his whole human brain consciousness shoved in the tiny brain of an ant even though the ant brain is clearly physically incapable of processing a human mind. I'd say there was some kind of information transfer facilitated through Z-Space, but then that kind blows up with Tobias, whose human body and mind are now officially gone thanks to Z-Space degradation. tl;dr: "It just works." - Todd Howard
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freebooter posted:So from Andalite warrior culture to the Yeerks... if they only got off the planet and launched their empire in the '60s, how long have they had a Council of Thirteen and an Emperor and a whole officer hierarchy? They've presumably been controlling Geds for a very long time, so maybe they had a whole little surface civilisation/s outside the pools long before Seerow showed up? Spoiler, because a lot of this comes from the Hork-Bajir Chronicles: The Emperor and Council of Thirteen, as well as the control of the Gedds, predate Seerow. The Gedds are native to the Yeerk homeworld, and the Yeerks have been controlling them for a long while. Gedds just aren't that great as hosts. They walk by knuckle dragging and can't walk on two legs, they're barely sapient, they're clumsy, they're not very strong, etc. They're still used, but only by Yeerks who can't get anything better. The Vissers are new, developed post-rebellion, as the Yeerks had just basically created a military and decided they needed people to run it.
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# ? Nov 19, 2020 14:53 |
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Epicurius posted:Spoiler, because a lot of this comes from the Hork-Bajir Chronicles: The Vissers / military structure in general should have been something they picked up from the Andalites, honestly. It would have played to that whole Tolkien allusion thing the series has going on with the Andalites being Elves, and the Yeerks being Orcs, because the Orcs in Lord of the Rings were twisted and corrupted Elves. We don’t get that good of a look at first contact-era Yeerk society but I seem to recall there was a tiny bit of “we want to be just like you, Daddy” idolism from the pre-Rebellion Yeerks towards the Andalites, which then turned into “No, gently caress you, Dad” very rapidly. So the Yeerks running around repping a hosed up version of the Andalite military structure—the one aspect of their society the Andalites are most proud of—would be a beautiful finger in the eye and another aspect of the shame the Andalites feel collectively with that whole “we set them loose on the universe” thing, w/r/t Seerow’s Kindness.
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nine-gear crow posted:We don’t get that good of a look at first contact-era Yeerk society but I seem to recall there was a tiny bit of “we want to be just like you, Daddy” idolism from the pre-Rebellion Yeerks towards the Andalites, which then turned into “No, gently caress you, Dad” very rapidly. So the Yeerks running around repping a hosed up version of the Andalite military structure—the one aspect of their society the Andalites are most proud of—would be a beautiful finger in the eye and another aspect of the shame the Andalites feel collectively with that whole “we set them loose on the universe” thing, w/r/t Seerow’s Kindness. We do find out in book 19 and the Hork-Bajir Chronicles, that Seerow is the only Andalite that the Yeerks have any respect for (which didn't stop them from killing him). Some of it is functional, obviously...he's the one who gave them the technology and knowledge of the galaxy. But also, given the sheer disdain that the Andalite garrison on the Yeerk homeworld feel for the Yeerks, he seems to be the only Andalite who actually treats Yeerks with anything approaching respect and trust, so I can see how the Yeerk-Andalite relationship went south quickly.
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# ? Nov 19, 2020 18:07 |
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nine-gear crow posted:human body and mind are now officially gone thanks to Z-Space degradation. Oh, is this canon for how getting trapped works? I don't remember it at all but it makes a lot more sense than some of the other hand-wavey stuff!
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# ? Nov 19, 2020 23:35 |
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freebooter posted:Oh, is this canon for how getting trapped works? I don't remember it at all but it makes a lot more sense than some of the other hand-wavey stuff! Yeah, the official explanation is that the original body's mass that's shoved up into Z-Space can only survive for about 2 hours before it degenerates and is irrecoverable. Tobias can't demorph because there's nothing left of his original body to pull back out of Z-Space.
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The Andalite Chronicles-Chapter 16quote:Falling … We had talked before about body horror, but transforming while being eaten alive....sort of kicks that up a notch. quote:With what was left of my Taxxon eyes, I saw it appear … all the way back at the end of my Taxxon body. And THAT is why I don't like Chapman in this book. I'm ok that a young Chapman is rebellious. I'm ok that he's kind of a jerk. I'm not ok with the fact that he seems eager to sell out earth to a bunch of aliens. Part 2-Alloran's Choice Chapter 17 quote:It was an impossible situation.' I really want to know how life evolved among on the Andalite homeworld. On earth, for instance, all vertebrates have four limbs...people, birds, lizards. Sometimes, like with whales or snakes, they're vestigial, but they're there. But you've got Andalites with six limbs, kaffit birds with twelve. Would be interesting to see... quote:Below me was the horizon-to-horizon expanse of the spaceport on the Taxxon home world. I don't have a good feeling about this....
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# ? Nov 20, 2020 01:30 |
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When I was doing my re-read recently, I thought it was bad editting that the book repeated what a Skrit Na was and whatnot, but now, thanks to this thread, I realize that it was because the books were split into 3.
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# ? Nov 20, 2020 03:26 |
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Man, poor fuckin' Arbron. Probably the single unluckiest bastard in the entire series.
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# ? Nov 20, 2020 05:23 |
No, it's the homeless dude at the start of book 1.
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# ? Nov 20, 2020 05:30 |
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it is pretty cool how arbron survives all this and ends up showing up and being plot important in #53. i wonder if that was planned, or just a happy accident? cause this seems like an unusual thing to seed this early but it makes sense, in both books he ends up leading rebel taxxons.
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# ? Nov 20, 2020 07:05 |
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Turpitude II posted:it is pretty cool how arbron survives all this and ends up showing up and being plot important in #53. i wonder if that was planned, or just a happy accident? cause this seems like an unusual thing to seed this early but it makes sense, in both books he ends up leading rebel taxxons. IIRC Applegate agreed with Scholastic to write the Taxxon Chronicles, was then kicking herself because she didn't have a clue what she'd write about, and then remembered Arbron and decided to base it around him. It obviously never ended up being written but I guess she kept the idea and used it for the main series.
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# ? Nov 20, 2020 08:26 |
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quote:“I really don’t care, shoot! Shoot! Kill it! SHOOOOOT!” I love soon to be Visser Three.
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# ? Nov 20, 2020 08:44 |
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Holy poo poo. This book is so good but man I am very glad I missed this one as a kid.
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# ? Nov 20, 2020 16:06 |
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Looking back on it I'm pretty sure I can pinpoint this series as the start of my love affair of ultra-violence in literature
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# ? Nov 20, 2020 18:57 |
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The Andalite Chronicles-Chapter 18quote:<You have a plan?> We've seen it before, but this is an example of internal Yeerk conflict. At this point, it's only the unimportant Yeerks who are still stuck in Gedd bodies, and they resent their comparably low status. quote:Arbron and I shoved past him into the Skrit Na ship. Unfortunately, it was so cramped and low that we could barely drag our massive bodies inside. I think we all saw that coming after last chapter, didn't we? You might say being a hawk nothlit is bad, and you'd be right, but I have to think being a Taxxon nothlit is worse. Chapter 19 quote:There was no time to talk about it. We had to get the Skrit Na ship up and out of that cradle before it occurred to the Yeerks that we were stealing it. Not really the best time for a religious debate, but you do you, Elfangor. quote:But Arbron didn’t answer. He was staring at his display board. At least, I guess he was staring. Taxxon eyes don’t exactly focus normally. <Yeerk patrol ship coming up on an intercept vector! It’s a Bug fighter!> It's a longshot, but Arbron is a very good shot, as we've seen.
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# ? Nov 21, 2020 02:56 |
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Epicurius posted:<Sure,> I said. I have to say, I'm kind of disappointed by the characterizations in this book so far, mainly dialog. This in particular was pointed out to me as an extremely American verbal tic the first time I lived abroad (as is "okay", for that matter). Ax seems like a more believable and 'alien' alien in the main series than Elfangor does in this book. Even if this story is meant to be from the POV of an Andalite addressing Andalites, he seems way too informal, slangy, and Americanized to read as a proud warrior alien military cadet, both in dialog and in his narration. He repeatedly highlights being caught off-guard by humans turning their heads to look at things, which, though it is a nice touch, also shows that his viewpoint isn't just being anthropomorphized. It feels sloppy. I wonder if this story wasn't written much earlier than its publication date would suggest relative to the main series books, considering the lead-time that would be necessary to get the three serialized volumes of it into the Scholastic mail order catalog.
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Fuschia tude posted:I have to say, I'm kind of disappointed by the characterizations in this book so far, mainly dialog. This in particular was pointed out to me as an extremely American verbal tic the first time I lived abroad (as is "okay", for that matter). Ax seems like a more believable and 'alien' alien in the main series than Elfangor does in this book. Even if this story is meant to be from the POV of an Andalite addressing Andalites, he seems way too informal, slangy, and Americanized to read as a proud warrior alien military cadet, both in dialog and in his narration. He repeatedly highlights being caught off-guard by humans turning their heads to look at things, which, though it is a nice touch, also shows that his viewpoint isn't just being anthropomorphized. It feels sloppy. Agreed. Ax's voice in his first (and only so far) book is so wildly different than Elfangor's here that it is almost jarring. Maybe it really is a stylistic choice since the whole theme of Ax's book is how othered he feels from the humans he's working with, but he still manages to come across as a relatable character. One scene that comes to mind is the one where he's performing his morning ritual out of habit and how well the text conveys his feelings of frustration and hopelessness without having to resort to modern human colloquialisms like saying "man this is stupid." If I squint hard, I can sort of see this being believable if Elfangor is telling his first-hand account at some point during or after his time living on Earth as a human, among other humans for years and would be far more familiar with human speech patterns and mannerisms, and probably incorporating them into his own recollections unconsciously. But, since we don't really know what the framing device is for ANY of these books and who these characters are giving their accounts to, that's hard to say. I'm giving this book the benefit of a doubt because the plot is so good, but it almost takes me out of it.
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# ? Nov 21, 2020 17:01 |
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I guess, if you wanted to speak in the book's defense, you could say that the reason, or one of the reasons for the difference is that Applegate has Ax speak the way he does to emphasize his alienness, Whenever we see Ax, we're seeing him among humans. But with Elfangor, he's not. So his narration and diaglogue is more natural?
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# ? Nov 21, 2020 17:43 |
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It's kind of strange, but cute, how much of a crush Elfangor gets on Loren right away. Like oh, sure, a weird mostly bald monkey with excessive long head hair, from a primitive barbarian planet, hobbling around on too few legs? Hell Yeah
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# ? Nov 21, 2020 19:53 |
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feetnotes posted:It's kind of strange, but cute, how much of a crush Elfangor gets on Loren right away. Like oh, sure, a weird mostly bald monkey with excessive long head hair, from a primitive barbarian planet, hobbling around on too few legs? Hell Yeah Elfangor got all the monsterfucker genes in his family
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# ? Nov 21, 2020 20:21 |
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The Andalite Chronicles-Chapter 20quote:<Three … two …> If you didn't catch it, Arbron is trying to commit suicide by Elfangor here. quote:<Shut up!> I screamed. <Shut up!> And, he sort of succeeded, maybe. The next two chapters fit better together, so we're just doing on chapter tonight.
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# ? Nov 22, 2020 02:19 |
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I'm 100% sympathetic to his idea of using the Time Matrix to try to wind back the clock on his awful mistake. It's a seductively perfect solution and if this were any other series I'd expect, at this point, for that to be what happens.Epicurius posted:We've seen it before, but this is an example of internal Yeerk conflict. At this point, it's only the unimportant Yeerks who are still stuck in Gedd bodies, and they resent their comparably low status. Given everything this book tells us about what it's like to be a Taxxon, I think I'd take the Gedd body any day!
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# ? Nov 22, 2020 02:30 |
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ahahaha Jesus Christ this series
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# ? Nov 22, 2020 02:35 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:ahahaha Jesus Christ this series I read this poo poo when I was nine!
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# ? Nov 22, 2020 20:35 |
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I actually just asked my mom why she let me read these books (not that I was complaining, they're obviously great), and her response was that they were in the school library so it's not like she could have stopped me anyway
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# ? Nov 22, 2020 20:45 |
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The Andalite Chronicles-Chapter 21quote:I woke up. This could be important later. It won't be quote:The door to the freight hold was blown open. I went in. The same green emergency lighting illuminated a bizarre scene. In the hold were boxes and crates piled in wild disarray. Many had broken open on impact. They spilled an amazing mass of alien-looking objects. Frozen, preserved animals; bundles of the artificial skin that Loren and Chapman wore; glass objects that seemed to contain liquids; odd, antiquated electronic equipment; small objects that looked like hundreds of rectangular sheets of paper glued together on one side; and a long crate of what I could almost swear were primitive weapons. Loren is obviously from flavor country. quote:I guess I fell asleep looking at that picture. I awoke with lingering traces of awful dreams chasing through my brain. Ok, So Elfangor's got wheels, he's got tunes, and he's ready to go. Chapter 22 quote:have run mag-hover trucks. Elfangor in the Mustang. Credit goes to betagore at Deviant Art. quote:For a while I just put Arbron out of my mind. I put Alloran out of my mind. And I pictured myself with Loren, driving in my Mustang across the green grass of Earth. Wind in my face. Bubbling brown water running up my hoof. You know what they say....the cannibalistic murderous enemy of my enemy is my friend.
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# ? Nov 23, 2020 03:28 |
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This is even better than I remembered.
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# ? Nov 23, 2020 05:14 |
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I... I want to make Animorphs fanart now. Help
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# ? Nov 23, 2020 07:01 |
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# ? Apr 28, 2024 01:52 |
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Tree Bucket posted:I... I want to make Animorphs fanart now. Help george is gettin nothlited! (do it, why not)
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