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yeah i’ll port it right into the trash can
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Nov 19, 2020 15:11
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lol, the “won’t be supported till mid 2021” thing is coming from the fact that gcc 11 stable won’t be released till then, which means no fortran compiler, which is apparently still a fundamental requirement in 2020 somehow
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Nov 19, 2020 15:36
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Soricidus posted:lol, the “won’t be supported till mid 2021” thing is coming from the fact that gcc 11 stable won’t be released till then, which means no fortran compiler, which is apparently still a fundamental requirement in 2020 somehow that reason is LAPACK
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Nov 19, 2020 16:07
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macports lol
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Nov 19, 2020 17:09
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you know what they say, a computer without FORTRAN and cobol is like a chocolate cake without ketchup and mustard
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Nov 19, 2020 17:26
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The Management posted:ketchup 
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Nov 19, 2020 17:28
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hobbesmaster posted:that reason is LAPACK LAPACK’s daemon
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Nov 19, 2020 17:48
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just rewrite everything in swift
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Nov 19, 2020 18:02
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The Management posted:apple will likely come out with a new chip for higher end machines either around March or next September that will be suitable for the mbp15, iMac, and maybe a new mini server. it will feature more cores, more PCIe lanes, a fatter gpu, and off-package ram that goes above 16 gigs. What are the chances they don't? Instead just release a M2 chip for all models with improvements across the board. The development costs and reward don't seem to match Apple's business model. (1) Release a M1x dedicated design for high-performance systems, just increasing core counts. (2) Release a new chip package with say multiple M1 modules within. (3) Design a M1 multi-socket beast, turning the clock back decades. (4) Defer to Intel/AMD. MrMoo fucked around with this message at 18:52 on Nov 19, 2020 |
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Nov 19, 2020 18:45
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MrMoo posted:(3) Design a M1 multi-socket beast, turning the clock back decades. how is this? it’s less than a decade since apple last sold a multi-socket mac, and it’s still a perfectly common design feature for other vendors’ workstations and servers. hell, it’s about 10 years since I last used a single-cpu box at work.
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I can see apple going soc only, like the mac pro will be one huge chip and the only options at order are cpu cores, gpu core, ram and ml cores, the only things you can add yourself are pci-e cards.
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Soricidus posted:how is this? it’s less than a decade since apple last sold a multi-socket mac, and it’s still a perfectly common design feature for other vendors’ workstations and servers. hell, it’s about 10 years since I last used a single-cpu box at work. but nobody knows the upper limit of cores on apple cpu’s or if multi socket would even make sense from a design standpoint. i don’t know poo poo about cpu design but it’d probably make more sense to have all the cores on one die and make a bigger socket to match. but i also think that there’s potential manufacturing limitations that make multi cpu systems make sense. it’s gonna be interesting to see what they’ll top out at and how they do it though. Perplx posted:I can see apple going soc only, like the mac pro will be one huge chip and the only options at order are cpu cores, gpu core, ram and ml cores, the only things you can add yourself are pci-e cards.
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Nov 19, 2020 20:01
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just fill the whole Mac with one big chip
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Nov 19, 2020 20:04
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Apple did it. It's game over. All the haters said it could never happen but I'm too lazy to search for those posts. Apple's PC market share will 2x over the next few years.
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Nov 19, 2020 20:05
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Silver Alicorn posted:just fill the whole Mac with one big chip
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Nov 19, 2020 20:07
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one big beautiful unibody silicon Mac. feel the chip in your hands
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mac pro Oops! All chips! edition
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 Like Cerebras wafer-cpu?
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:mac pro Oops! All chips! edition a solid block of silicon the size of a tower case. hook it up to a three phase dedicated breaker and your cold water feed
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we are all hornied up for a 64 core Mac Pro SOC edition but have we considered - the M1, as is, in a Mac Pro chassis, for $10000?
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Nov 19, 2020 21:06
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a proprietary blade enclosure for 6 macminis with daisy chained thunderbolt networking milled out of our of single block of aluminum
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Nov 19, 2020 21:38
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Laslow posted:things have changed since the last multi-socket mac though. i imagine 64 core smt zens with decent clocks pushed mp systems out to the edgiest of cases. now that’s not to say they are no longer useful, but probably well outside the intended target for mac pros(macs pro?) maybe? all I really know here is that my new ws has dual xeons, not a single threadripper. maybe our it dept is just overly conservative but there’s clearly a market. amd’s high end also seems to be dual socket epyc. yes, this is a different market from any apple is in so it doesn’t directly apply, but up until a few days ago there wasn’t a market for arm laptops outside limited tablet hybrids and poo poo-tier chromebooks, so it’s not unthinkable that apple might decide they can also get away with sticking two m1s in a single box or something.
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Nov 19, 2020 21:48
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Perplx posted:a proprietary blade enclosure for 6 macminis with daisy chained thunderbolt networking milled out of our of single block of aluminum at the exact same moment in time but in two separate locations, jony and timb just ejaculated
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Nov 19, 2020 22:03
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cremnob posted:Apple did it. It's game over. All the haters said it could never happen but I'm too lazy to search for those posts. Apple's PC market share will 2x over the next few years.
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Nov 19, 2020 23:25
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cremnob posted:Apple did it. It's game over. All the haters said it could never happen but I'm too lazy to search for those posts. Apple's PC market share will 2x over the next few years. 
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Nov 19, 2020 23:34
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apple might run into the same issue as intel when it comes to chip sizes. At a certain point, it becomes crazy expensive to make decently binned ones AMD went chiplet for a reason and they took like 5 years before it wasn’t a steaming pile of doodoo maybe apple can do it in 2 for the BMW M3 chip
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MeruFM posted:apple might run into the same issue as intel when it comes to chip sizes. At a certain point, it becomes crazy expensive to make decently binned ones it’s already module on module with the memory and being independent of the rest of the SoM
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cremnob posted:Apple did it. It's game over. All the haters said it could never happen but I'm too lazy to search for those posts. Apple's PC market share will 2x over the next few years. even the optimised ARM Final Cut Pro on the new MBP is about 20% slower in h264 encoding than previous gen MBP (or ~40% slower than the highend MBP) e: though the GPU performance is surprisingly okay, I wasn't expecting that, but the CPU is pretty much what I expected Private Speech fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Nov 20, 2020 |
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hobbesmaster posted:it’s already module on module with the memory and being independent of the rest of the SoM but doesn't splitting CPU cores into multiple modules with "shared" L3 mean a ton of weirdness and latency and overhead at basic poo poo like thread balancing? iunno, i'm not a transistor janitor
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MeruFM posted:but doesn't splitting CPU cores into multiple modules with "shared" L3 mean a ton of weirdness and latency and overhead at basic poo poo like thread balancing? ryzen is fine despite those penalties across chiplets
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hobbesmaster posted:ryzen is fine despite those penalties across chiplets zen 3 is fine. 2 is mostly fine. 1 and plus were (interesting) trainwrecks
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Private Speech posted:even the optimised ARM Final Cut Pro on the new MBP is about 20% slower in h264 encoding than previous gen MBP (or ~40% slower than the highend MBP) i mean who knows what's going on with specific software, especially software that's probably got a poo poo ton of vector code. it's like how you can't compare "game performance" between two systems by comparing the performance of the same game across them because that "same game" is actually two radically different ports and performance usually varies with the time dedicated to the problem. if the final cut pro team had to put all their time into getting an arm64 port working at all and haven't had much time to tune their simd algorithms then that's what you'd expect to see
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Nov 20, 2020 02:28
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that’s bullshit you absolutely can compare anything to anything else whatsoever apples vs sadness? oranges vs gravity? purple vs blanka from street fighter 2 red bull and vodka vs time travel
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Nov 20, 2020 02:39
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one of everything in the right column, thanks
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HAIL eSATA-n posted:one of everything in the right column, thanks idk I do like apples
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Private Speech posted:even the optimised ARM Final Cut Pro on the new MBP is about 20% slower in h264 encoding than previous gen MBP (or ~40% slower than the highend MBP) likely they’re using a simd portability layer that doesn’t do as well on ARM as on Intel. the m1 has a hardware h.264 encoder, but they probability didn’t get around to supporting that yet
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Nov 20, 2020 04:27
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my 2015 MacBook Pro has battery swelling that's hosed the hard disk too. 𝓰𝓮𝓷𝓲𝓾𝓼 bar says it's ~950 to fix all up because they have to replace the entire enclosure, it's almost as though they make these hard to repair or something! how are the new laptops? the 16" is like 4-5k in my country. the 13" is like 2k and have new chips? do they have the terrible new keyboards? I'm not using my laptop much atm so I might just keep it as is and boot off a spare external drive and use it as a ghetto desktop
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crepeface posted:my 2015 MacBook Pro has battery swelling that's hosed the hard disk too. 𝓰𝓮𝓷𝓲𝓾𝓼 bar says it's ~950 to fix all up because they have to replace the entire enclosure, it's almost as though they make these hard to repair or something! i just gave very similar advice in a gray forum thread to someone needing a 2015 mbp replacement right now, if you are ok with the limitations (at most 16gb ram, 2 usb ports, 1 external monitor, 13.3" display), and do not have a need to run x86 windows or 32-bit x86 mac apps, there is no question about it. buy one of the m1 macsbooks, pro or air pro if you actually want the touchbar, want it to never throttle under any circumstance, or want 15% more battery life air if you want no touchbar, don't care about mild throttling that only kicks in after like 10 minutes of full load, and like fanless computing either one will beat the snot out of a 2015 mbp, both cpu and graphics. by many measures they're faster than a decked out 2019 16" i9 they unfucked the keyboards even before the new M1 models, so no need to worry about that (and by unfucked, i mean "reverted to the good pre-fuckup mechanism" rather than "tried one more bandaid fix") if some of that sounds like you don't want it, and you can do so, consider waiting for the next wave of ARM macs which should include a bigger screen pro that supports more ram right now, buying an intel mac without some ultra compelling requirement feels criminally irresponsible, the arm chip is that much better
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