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OAquinas posted:Dalinar is so totally going to lose his challenge. I suspect Wit pretty much spoiled how this one will go. They'll tie like in that gambling story.
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Mordiceius posted:Speculation for the final 10% of this book: During the first book, the book makes it fairly clear that The Deepness wasn't properly defeated, despite what the characters think. I speculated that the relationship between the Lord Ruler and The Deepness was Diablo 2-style "man tried to absorb/contain evil and became evil because of it" or Futurama Slurm-style "We're milking this thing for its juices." The thing that comes up again and again in this book is "The Lord Ruler's Atium" and I had a suspicion very early on that it was connected to The Deepness. When the Diablo 2 theory went out, I leaned more toward the Slurm theory. At this point, my assumption is that the Lord Ruler was using the Atium as a way to imprison or reinforce the prison of The Deepness. Perhaps The Deepness is trapped within the Well of Ascension and the Atrum keeps it trapped. Hence why there is no secret stash of Atium and why the influence of The Deepness has increased. I've had this theory about the Atium-Deepness link since very very very early on in this book so it makes me even more mad that I didn't connect that Luthadel is the home of the Well of Ascension. OF COURSE IT WOULD BE. I'm so mad that I didn't figure that out. Oh man, after reading your speculations, I can't wait to read your reaction to the last 3 hours of Well of Ascension. I think you will like the rest of Sanderson's works, too. Some of his other books are also very video-gamey in parts, which never bothered me, but has been criticized by others quite a bit. That will obviously not be a problem for you 
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Torrannor posted:Oh man, after reading your speculations, I can't wait to read your reaction to the last 3 hours of Well of Ascension. The Way of Kings prologue feels exactly like a video game tutorial. I love it.
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Nov 24, 2020 16:12
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Evil Fluffy posted:Thanks I overlooked that they meant they were only up to part 2. No worries, I hadn't checked the thread, so I missed whatever you posted. I should've made it clear that I had only read up through part 2 (now halfway through part 4) - looking back, it's easily misread. So that was partly my fault!
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Nov 24, 2020 16:58
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row Recreance: *happens* Dalinar: "Hold my beer."
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Nov 24, 2020 16:59
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Avalerion posted:I suspect Wit pretty much spoiled how this one will go. They'll tie like in that gambling story. Yep, that's my thinking too. RoW spoilers: Szeth/Kaladin buddy cop adventure to Shinovar is going to be an amazing shitshow.
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Nov 24, 2020 20:53
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Avalerion posted:I suspect Wit pretty much spoiled how this one will go. They'll tie like in that gambling story. I think some of the death rattles are going to come in to play on this one. Specifically I hold the suckling child in my hands, a knife at his throat, and know that all who live wish me to let the blade slip. Spill its blood upon the ground, over my hands, and with it gain us further breath to draw. But I am pretty terrible at speculation so. Also, All those people who picked up spears to defend the fallen radiants while Kaladin was off saying his oath. The ones his plate saved. Including Hesina iirc. New squires, or new friends for the horde of honourspren Adolin's probably coming home with?
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Nov 24, 2020 21:15
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ROW: Read an interesting theory that the last scene with Hoid and Odium actually worked out in Hoids favour - or as he had planned at least. The points where: *Before he talks with odium he's talking about misdirection and how it's an art *He sends his spren away right before the encounter so the spren is not at risk *He knew he lost his breaths and likely would have reacted differently if it was a surprise. The idea is that maybe he knew he would be vulnerable - even if not exactly how so the breaths he hid his memories in actually were implanted with false memories. It even finished with hoid saying it went exactly as planned... who knows though what Brandon is playing with.
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Nov 24, 2020 21:57
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Yeah I always assume Hoid is the smartest person in the room at all times.
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Nov 24, 2020 22:20
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I was reading the Ars Arcanum in RoW and noticed this (spoilered just in case but not relating to any plot events): "Illumination: The Surge of Light, Sound, and Various Waveforms." Is Shallan going to become radioactive? Are the Lightweavers going to start broadcasting their own radio station? The wording is so specific I'm sure Sanderson has some plan for their future abilities.
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Nov 24, 2020 22:24
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Strumpy posted:ROW: Seems more likely that Hoid sent away his spren and was preparing because he fully expected a rough encounter and his spren would be in extreme danger. If the only memories missing are those few minutes prior then his only real way of knowing something was wrong is that his spren's already gone and the trick he was planning to do is already completed. That'll definitely have him on guard as soon as he believes he's out of Odium's view (if that's even possible now) but at best Hoid will think "something happened and my memory of it was wiped out, but my meeting with Odium went as planned so what did Rayse do and what don't I know now?" He's still unaware of what happened to Odium because if he knew then he'd flee the planet or warn Jasnah and Dalinar about what has happened. Possibly both.
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Nov 24, 2020 23:05
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HelixFox posted:I was reading the Ars Arcanum in RoW and noticed this (spoilered just in case but not relating to any plot events): This is long confirmed by a WoB which is why I lol'd hard at Shallan training her Lightweavers and all of the Unseen Court thinking they would never be frontline troops. Cue Navani figuring out Light and yeah, we gonna have Lightweavers on the front lines blasting out anti-Light as walking nukes, and when they figure out lasers. https://wob.coppermind.net/events/309/#e11554 Edit: Truthwatchers share the same Surge as well, so technically the non Enlightened Truthwatchers should be able to do the same.
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Nov 24, 2020 23:20
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Leng posted:This is long confirmed by a WoB which is why I lol'd hard at Shallan training her Lightweavers and all of the Unseen Court thinking they would never be frontline troops. also they can just soulcast things into plutonium and nuke that way, a lightweaver with a good grasp of modern physics is insane
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Nov 24, 2020 23:48
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The way Kaladin lashed only part of someone's body to something else at one point is fairly interesting. Wondering if he can be even more specific and lash people's eyes or even parts of their brain or nerves, as that seems pretty deadly/crippling with a minimal investment of stormlight.
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Nov 24, 2020 23:58
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Leng posted:This is long confirmed by a WoB which is why I lol'd hard at Shallan training her Lightweavers and all of the Unseen Court thinking they would never be frontline troops. Contains late/ending RoW spoilers and cosmere speculation: That WoB seems to be downplaying things too. Controlling energy to that level means that Lightweavers could likely jumpstart fusion reactors and a whole host of other super high tech things. They'd also be able to counteract radiation poisoning by burning stormlight to heal from it. Hell, for all we know a Bondsmith might be able to Connect radiation to a normal bodily function or that any radiation in their body is actually connected to [radiation containment item] like Ishar did to the Windrunners' stormlight briefly and *poof* you now have people who simply don't suffer side-effects from radiation exposure. I'm sure that's part of why Odium wants Dalinar. On a cosmic war who's going to beat him? Even if other Shards' chosen champions are also immortal, Dalinar could take their powers from them and possibly server their Connection to immortality. Maybe a Mistborn or Mistling could interrupt it by burning aluminum as their powers are being stolen but that'd probably be a brief interruption at best. Imagine, the Blackthorn but immortal and also now a full Mistborn with access to metal mind usage and Biochromatic powers and the ability to open a perpendicularity at will to recharge themselves, and they'd only get more powerful as they hit other worlds? Odium's made mistakes but wanting someone like Dalinar as his champion was a pretty good choice, had it not been spoiled by outside interference.
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HelixFox posted:I was reading the Ars Arcanum in RoW and noticed this (spoilered just in case but not relating to any plot events): It is no secret that Surgebinders will play a role in the Cosmere sci-fi era. Illusions on radar or gravimetric sensors or whatever if I had to guess.
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Nov 25, 2020 00:04
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waveform is the shape parshendi take to surf
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Evil Fluffy posted:Contains late/ending RoW spoilers and cosmere speculation: the problem with this is that there's no way Dalinar keeps Bondsmith powers if he turns fused. but that could be solved with a certain honorblade, anyways, and might even be preferable via blade rather than bond if you're evil. and, regardless of power set, he's at the high end of people you never want to have to encounter in a battlefield and everything else about stealing other powers you mentioned is possible
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Nov 25, 2020 00:17
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HelixFox posted:I was reading the Ars Arcanum in RoW and noticed this (spoilered just in case but not relating to any plot events): i also wonder how that interacts with how sound was used to create anti-void light gems
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The weakness of Surgebinders is that as soon as they leave Roshar they loose access to the most abundant source of magic in the universe. You either need a bondsmith who can do their thing or you perfect gems that don’t bleed off Stormlight, even then it’s still a very limited resource. So far Allomancers seem like they’d have the easiest time moving around because metal is metal no matter where you find it. Surgebinders need to find a way to duplicate Lifts thing to truly get out there and explore.
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I feel like their manipulative (end of ROW) audio/radio powers will not be able to make anti-light because they’d be using stormlight to do it, breaking whatever shardic thermodynamics they’re void by. Antilights probably all have to be created with cognitive(the intent) and physical processes, without touching the spiritual realm like any use of light interacts with.
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Nov 25, 2020 00:36
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Well that was an interesting ending. I have many thoughts.
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Potato Salad posted:It is no secret that Surgebinders will play a role in the Cosmere sci-fi era. Is this some hypothetical or is Sanderson actually planning to write a Cosmere sci-fi era?
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Okay, I'm finally home and not phoneposting so here are my thoughts on the final 10% as well as the overall story of Well of Ascension. Let's start with the final 10% - The deaths - Clubs dying was sad, but I kind of felt like it was coming. The scene with Sazed talking religions and giving him the wooden disk felt like a big lampshade of "THIS CHARACTER IS GOING TO DIE NOW." Dockson's death surprised me, though I'm kind of glad he's gone, as lovely as that is to say. Dockson was great in book 1 but he barely had any presence in this book. And whenever he was around he just complained all the time and was argumentative. Tindwyl's death crushed me. loving devastating. I hope Breeze is okay. I really really like Breeze. The last time we see him, he's in massive shock and borderline comatose. There's no update on him post-battle. Marsh being evil now sucks.  I liked Marsh, but I guess becoming a steel inquisitor just means you're going to get corrupted over time. I assume we'll see a gently caress ton of steel inquisitors next book.Well, the Well trapped the greater evil, like I thought. Very video gamey but I loved it still. ELEND IS MISTBORN NOW THIS IS THE GREATEST THING EVER. Looking forward to double Mistborn adventures in the next book! Now Vin gets to be the Kelsier. Okay - as for the book as a whole - I think one of the things that hurt this book is that it just felt like there was lack of coherent structure. The first book very clearly followed the "heist story" blueprint, but this one just felt meandering at times. I feel like it just needed a stronger backbone for the the meat of the story to stick to. Here lies Zane - he never scored. Zane sucked. Added nothing to the book. Accomplished nothing. Truly the Kai Leng of this story. What ever happened to that merchant? Phylin? He was propped up as a significant force early in the book and then just disappears from the story. One thing I appreciate about both this book and the first one is that deaths are loving quick. Clubs is there, then he is dead. Dockson, the same. Same with Kelsier. Straf too! (Straf's death owned. A moment of terror, then death.) There's no "I'm laying here dying.... here is my 5 minute monologue as I die..... remember me......" Nah. Sword is here. You dead. The end. This, however, also makes it that if a character is in a prolonged battle (such as Sazed and Marsh at the end of the book), I'm not worried about Sazed dying as much because the more the story talks about death creeping in, the less likely the character is to die. Deaths are fast, brutal, and often unexpected. The interstitials from Quan in this book.... were bad. But also that was kind of the point? But also that doesn't make it better. I do like that the very first lines "Anything not written in steel cannot be trusted" was important at the end... but that was like... it? 90% of the Quan interstitials were absolutely nothing statements and often very very short. They basically added nothing to the story. I liked the "Lord Ruler's Journal" interstitials in book 1 because from those I was able to figure out that Rashik was the Lord Ruler. The Quan writings... give nothing. I totally get that there's a lot of misinformation because this evil presence was loving with reality, but it's like when you're playing a game and you get an escort quest and the character keeps making comments like "Boy escort quests sure do suck!" like that makes it okay. I am confused by the Mist Spirit. All this time, I thought it was a manifestation of The Deepness/the thing in the well. But I guess that's not the case? Very confusing. Overall, I agree with everyone that this was a tremendously weak followup to the first book. Not to say that I didn't enjoy it by the end. The first 2/3 were definitely a slog and could have been cut in half with little lost. Hell, the first 90% of the book is "These characters continue to fail/fuckup and everything gets worse." The only victory in that time is Zane dying, but that didn't feel like much because gently caress Zane. Instead of the plot being a rollercoaster of ups and downs, it was just continually going down and that's just fatiguing. I think that's about all my thoughts? Looking forward to starting the next book tomorrow. Mordiceius fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Nov 25, 2020 |
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Bruceski posted:Is this some hypothetical or is Sanderson actually planning to write a Cosmere sci-fi era? He is, it's Era 4 is supposed to be space age Mistborn. https://www.brandonsanderson.com/state-of-the-sanderson-2019/#Cosmere
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As far as scifi Cosmere stuff, Sanderson has already written a story that takes place in the far future of the Cosmere.  e: Mord you'll enjoy the Wax and Wayne books once you finish Mistborn. You've made it through Well of Ascension, now time for the good book. 
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Nov 25, 2020 03:40
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I don’t know if rLeng posted:He is, it's Era 4 is supposed to be space age Mistborn. I don’t know if I read this here or elsewhere, but (future book spoilers) the RoW release party included a reading from the Sixth of the Dusk sequel and featured space faring Scadrians and a Rosharan with a shard gun.
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Nov 25, 2020 03:43
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Democratic Pirate posted:I don’t know if r I posted this on the previous page buta transcript of that can be found here : https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/93066-rhythm-of-war-online-release-party-111720/?page=5#comment-1117814
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Nov 25, 2020 03:58
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Evil Fluffy posted:As far as scifi Cosmere stuff, Sanderson has already written a story that takes place in the far future of the Cosmere. I hope that Hero of Ages isn't filled with a lot of Vin being mopey about her actions. I assume she'll be mopey for a while, but hopefully not more than like 20-30% of the book because mopey Vin is boooooooooooooring.
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Mordiceius posted:I hope that Hero of Ages isn't filled with a lot of Vin being mopey about her actions. I assume she'll be mopey for a while, but hopefully not more than like 20-30% of the book because mopey Vin is boooooooooooooring. You'll love book 3. And the Wax and Wayne books are so good.
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:I posted this on the previous page buta transcript of that can be found here : https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/93066-rhythm-of-war-online-release-party-111720/?page=5#comment-1117814 I will take every awkward scholar chapter in RoW because it leads to stuff like this.
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I wanna go re-read Hero of Ages so I can get my own refresher on it to read your takes, Mord. But I ain't putting RoW down to go read something else. Shucks
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Bruceski posted:Is this some hypothetical or is Sanderson actually planning to write a Cosmere sci-fi era? Supposedly, Mistborn is the master throughline of the history of the Cosmere. Mistborn Era 4 is the Infinity War of the Cosmere, according to the author.
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Hero of Ages certainly starts strong. I like smaller, briefer chapters. It makes things feel like they flow faster. Plus it means more interstitials. Sort of confused by the interstitials so far. Dropping massive lore bombs from the start but I have no idea whose voice they’re coming from.
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Mordiceius posted:Hero of Ages certainly starts strong. Just FYI if you're ever looking these up for whatever reason, they're referred to as epigraphs on coppermind and the like. I find it useful to re-read them after that 'part' of the book is over, as it adds context and helps my understanding.
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Was watching my brother play Demon Souls today, he was using Storms Ruler and it had a really cool visual attack with drawing in and compressing air, then unleashing it as a slash. Wonder if the Windrunner Honourblads could do the same things, compress the air with Adhesion, then propel it forward with Gravitation. Maybe that’s what Moash will figure out instead of throwing the blade.
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big mean giraffe posted:Just FYI if you're ever looking these up for whatever reason, they're referred to as epigraphs on coppermind and the like. I find it useful to re-read them after that 'part' of the book is over, as it adds context and helps my understanding. *goes back and rereads the epigraphs in HoA* You will definitely want to reread all these epigraphs together after the end of the book. They are much more fun after you know who is writing them.
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Mordiceius posted:Hero of Ages certainly starts strong. I'm sitting here, basically biting my tongue not to write anything that might spoil you. You will so enjoy the book and the reveals.
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Torrannor posted:I'm sitting here, basically biting my tongue not to write anything that might spoil you. You will so enjoy the book and the reveals. Yeah, I'm only on chapter 5 right now and I've had to stop myself looking up a couple things as I'm sure they'll get explained and I'm so wary of spoilers after always falling into the trap of finding a spoiler when looking up very not spoiler things. I like the evolution of the Steel Inquisitors so far. Again, it feels very video gamey in a great way.
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Mordiceius posted:Sort of confused by the interstitials so far. Dropping massive lore bombs from the start but I have no idea whose voice they’re coming from. 
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