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Dimebags Brain posted:Jeff didn't want to let Matt hog all the head trauma for himself: https://streamable.com/3b6t13 describing this to non wrestling fans made me realize that each hardy is one half of the perfect backyarder. you’ve got the funny goofy poo poo with Matt and the dangerous poorly thought out spots with Jeff
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who is Matt Riddle? I only know Riddle Just because RECKONING's mask fell off doesn't mean she's Mia Yim! Honor the code of Lucha Libre J-Ru
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ok this time the results are fake, I know we say that every week but THESE results are fake, for sure.
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Seems like the theme of this week was “people talking backstage“.
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Mia Yim lost her debut match to Dana Brooke.
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I cannot understate how much I hate champions having non title matches that they lose. I think Asuka should have about 4 more tag title reigns than she has?
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Alexa being the one who is actually controlling the Fiend is kind of interesting I guess. Or I guess it's the closest thing to interesting in the Bray Wyatt thing in a long time. Crumbs for the starving.
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Wazzu posted:I cannot understate how much I hate champions having non title matches that they lose. I think Asuka should have about 4 more tag title reigns than she has? Which didn't even last a full year, but that was less annoying to me than "the champion(s) lose a non-title match to setup a title match". It's one of the biggest reasons why titles in the WWE are meaningless to me, champions are booked in non-title matches constantly and even as champion a lot of them are still subjected to 50/50 booking.
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I wanna say the no rematch rule came up right around when Roman beat Brock for the belt because Heyman threw a fit on Raw the next night. I could be remembering that wrong though.
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TheKingslayer posted:I wanna say the no rematch rule came up right around when Roman beat Brock for the belt because Heyman threw a fit on Raw the next night. I could be remembering that wrong though. it came up as a "thing" when the mcmahons came out and were like "you the fans are in charge!"
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quote:Alexa Bliss interviewed Randy Orton. The Fiend showed up, Orton passed Alexa to him then left the ring and asked,"Who's laughing now." Nobody was laughing at any point during the entire segment. Imo this recap really undersells this moment. The lights went out, at some point in the dark randy decides "I'd like to scoop alexa up in my arms now" and alexa just rolls with it I guess. Then the lights come back on and we see the fiend facing randy like this-  With his arms outstretched like "please return my alexa bliss now" so then randy just kinda slides her into the fiend's arms and then he runs the gently caress out of the ring in what I guess is a tactical retreat? Then yeah, we have randy demand to know who's laughing now on the ramp. At no point do we establish why the fiend gives a drat about Alexa Bliss, who as best I can tell is only involved because she and Braun at one point were partners and Bray wyatt wanted to use this to manipulate Braun into wrestling for him. Or something.
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Connection to Braun is more interesting than "FIEND == ROGERS+JOKER" and bliss just being his harley quinn or something I don't know, it sucks
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RealFoxy posted:I think it was this year that WWE passed the edict that "Nobody gets automatic title rematches" In AEW the previous two tag champs have only one loss each, Moxley is undefeated, Shida hasn't been pinned or submitted all year. Darby is the only exception, but that's his story of being relentless.
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Davros1 posted:He's older now than Michael Hayes was in this picture I thought you were kidding... Michael Hayes would have been 40 in that photo. Jeff Hardy is 43 right now.
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Astro7x posted:I thought you were kidding... Michael Hayes would have been 40 in that photo. Jeff Hardy is 43 right now. Oh my God, they even tell stories about how sad it was to see a 40-year-old Michael Hayes wearing their style of clothes too  Edit: Also holy gently caress I legit thought Hayes was like 50 at that time.
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I'm not sure whether Michael Hayes is more or less sad. Yeah he's older and probably shittier than Jeff Hardy, but at least he was attempting to contemporize. Modern Jeff is like if Hayes was still doing whatever it was he was doing in 1979.
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Defiance Industries posted:Looking at Jeff Hardy makes me really sad now. I mean, not just that he really hosed himself up, but he's like 50 and still dressing exactly like he was in 1999. its not like rvd, where he hadn't changed from stoner guy rvd with martial arts and stuff until recently where he's... a porn guy? idk. jeff hardy has tried other things they all just kind of suck.
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i have recently come to the opinion that jeff hardy was never actually good.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:describing this to non wrestling fans made me realize that each hardy is one half of the perfect backyarder. you’ve got the funny goofy poo poo with Matt and the dangerous poorly thought out spots with Jeff don't forget Jeff's serious sadclown Charismatic Enigma phase 
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Jerusalem posted:[*] Slapjack
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Jerusalem posted:Oh my God, they even tell stories about how sad it was to see a 40-year-old Michael Hayes wearing their style of clothes too
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ItohRespectArmy posted:i have recently come to the opinion that jeff hardy was never actually good. Only recently? I thought that was the consensus by 2003.
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He was in one of the best tag teams of the 90s. It’s barely the decade after that decade
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Sigma posted:The Xia one is great because she was a fitness trainer in China and absolutely destroys Sheamus I just wanted to say thanks for this because Sheamus' channel is gold. From the little I've seen since I discovered it, the entire channel seems like it's just Sheamus getting his rear end kicked by other wrestler's workouts forever and ever
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Artelier posted:I just wanted to say thanks for this because Sheamus' channel is gold. From the little I've seen since I discovered it, the entire channel seems like it's just Sheamus getting his rear end kicked by other wrestler's workouts forever and ever Extremely relatable.
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Dimebags Brain posted:Jeff didn't want to let Matt hog all the head trauma for himself: https://streamable.com/3b6t13
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shiksa posted:its not like rvd, where he hadn't changed from stoner guy rvd with martial arts and stuff until recently where he's... a porn guy? idk. jeff hardy has tried other things they all just kind of suck. Hard mid life crisis washed up RVD is delightful, if there was just a little less reality in there. Like if he actually wasn't slowed down, if Katie in gimmick was just using him, he had a bit more of Matt Hardys new gimmick.
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It's pretty awe inspiring that RVD managed to get Impact banned on Twitch and it wasn't drug related. It was because his girlfriend and his girlfriend's girlfriend had multiple nipple slips
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RealFoxy posted:It's pretty awe inspiring that RVD managed to get Impact banned on Twitch and it wasn't drug related. It was because his girlfriend and his girlfriend's girlfriend had multiple nipple slips And hilarious that impact didn't edit it more to be safe.
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Kevin Quinn (recently let go from WWE's production team) did an Reddit AMA https://twitter.com/dajosc11/status/1333580227403014145
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Defiance Industries posted:Looking at Jeff Hardy makes me really sad now. I mean, not just that he really hosed himself up, but he's like 50 and still dressing exactly like he was in 1999. Don't judge us! 
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How does that more is less quote work? That just encourages more camera cuts.
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TV Zombie posted:How does that more is less quote work? That just encourages more camera cuts. Without being privy to anything my guess as to their tortured logic would be that by cutting where they do, in their minds they are concealing that the punches etc aren't necessarily landing or landing with much impact. Concealing is a way of showing less and so by doing more cuts they are concealing more which is revealing less. Which is dumb and relies on a rhetorical trick to confuse the nature of what the audience is asking for less of and I'd be completely shocked if what was happening was anything other than this exact kind of rhetorical gaslighting.
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reignofevil posted:Without being privy to anything my guess as to their tortured logic would be that by cutting where they do, in their minds they are concealing that the punches etc aren't necessarily landing or landing with much impact. Concealing is a way of showing less and so by doing more cuts they are concealing more which is revealing less. Which is dumb and relies on a rhetorical trick to confuse the nature of what the audience is asking for less of and I'd be completely shocked if what was happening was anything other than this exact kind of rhetorical gaslighting. If asked, how would you sum up the difference between WWE's style of presentation vs. AEW's style of presentation?
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ItohRespectArmy posted:i have recently come to the opinion that jeff hardy was never actually good. Matt was always the superior Hardy. 
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Camerawork:wise AEW is miles ahead because they aren't insecure in their product. They know that regardless of how many smarks are in their audience that the feats of athleticism on display are damned impressive and that if everybody is wrestling on their A game the moves won't need any help to impress. This is in contrast to WWE's camera work which I doubt I even really need to explain in great detail here in the WWE thread. But something I wanna talk at length about regarding the contrast in presentation actually has more to do with the in ring agenting and the commentary of AEW. Again this is all my gut here from consuming a ton of the product so take it for the grain of salt it's worth but it's pretty clear to me that the most important thing about the AEW product is that it is 100% entirely informed by Cody Rhodes personal wrestling philosophies and more often than not AEW is completely dominated by the rules of storytelling that Cody had picked up or invented whole cloth from his unique position in the wrestling world. Moments where JR is going into detail regarding what precisely makes for a sloppy pin versus a tight pin. Little touches like when commentary tosses in that arguably the smaller wrestlers have the advantage in the test of strength spot due to a lower center of gravity. The radical decision that wrestlers in the AEW kayfabe should be explicitly billed based on how many years they had been an independent wrestler and that the spots they get assigned within the match should from time to time reflect the kind of strategic differences and experience gulfs that you'd expect to see between different wrestlers at different stages of their career. None of these things exist in WWE because they are all ways in which the booking is intentionally limiting itself and it's a way of carefully curating the product which doesn't allow for temperamental decision-making or on the spot changeups of the card. Because WWE had been the de-facto of american wrestling for so long it also meant these ideas were basically dead in north america until AEW revived them. So in my opinion the single greatest factor that influences why the product AEW presents is different (and considerably better) than what WWE is presenting is that at some point Cody Rhodes came to some strongly held beliefs on how the logic of pro wrestling is supposed to actually work and Tony Khan basically gave him carte blanche to expand on his ideas and to try them out in front of a national audience for the first time since I'm guessing the 1980's. With this latitude I imagine Cody has gotten basically all of the people actually on the ground agenting matches on the same page regarding his solidified ideas for match structure and selling. This all percolates down to matches on dynamite and dark where between the wrestlers attempting to sell the story and the strategy that's been given to them by the agents the gaps where a spot's purpose might be initially unclear or not easily deduced by those watching will then be filled in by commentary when cody pipes up in their ear exactly what the gently caress he had in mind*. For me the system is working even though sometimes I'll see spots on dark where I think Cody might be overthinking things a bit and as my final opinion for the night if Pro Wrestling ever becomes popular with general audiences or it experiences even a half decent revival it's gonna be because Cody decided professional wrestling needed to have an underlying logic if the audience was ever going to give a poo poo about it again and grow and I think he was 100% right. By giving wrestlers an underlying ruleset for them to fake-fight with he also massively widened the possibilities for audiences to relate to the characters on the show because we can make our own assessments and projections for what might happen in future episodes of AEW Dynamite based on how we know the universe works and how we know the character tries to overcome hardship. This philosophy is the skeleton and the individual wrestlers having input on storyline direction and freedom to react on the live product or to just make suggestions to the agents based on their own understanding of this philosophy is the meat. *In fact often the only time I'll listen to an entire match and not hear anything that sounds exactly like something Cody would say is when he's out in the ring wrestling. Just because I'm fairly sure I can hear his distinct writer's voice being echoed on commentary isn't actually a bad thing though. Stories and especially ones that are a collaboration with this many people need to have someone with a solid idea of what should make sense and what doesn't make sense. I'm still not crazy about his matches but as the guy trying to create a consistent set of wrestling laws-of-physics he is an indispensable part of the AEW recipe. reignofevil fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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