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SimonSays
Aug 4, 2006

Simon is the monkey's name

Al2001 posted:



Just replacing my bottom bracket and I realised it's about 2mm too wide for the shell. Then I remembered the last time I did this at the bike co-op, I had the same problem, but although there was a 2mm gap on the non drive side, the drive side was in far enough that it basically was ok (no play, although there's some light rust, so I suppose some water got in!)

This is all a little confusing given I thought 68mm has been the smallest standard width for several decades (the bike is my 1997 Dawes Galaxy.)

What's my next move, dudes?!

Sounds like the width of a bottom bracket-mounted chainguard. Weird that the bike is like that though. You can add a spacer to the NDS to make up the 2mm.

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CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012

Just bottom out drive tight, then do up the non drive side as far as it goes. If both cups bottom out easy there will be no preload on the bearings. If the gap is less than 2mm when tightened down all the way, just leave it.

VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

Al2001 posted:



Just replacing my bottom bracket and I realised it's about 2mm too wide for the shell. Then I remembered the last time I did this at the bike co-op, I had the same problem, but although there was a 2mm gap on the non drive side, the drive side was in far enough that it basically was ok (no play, although there's some light rust, so I suppose some water got in!)

This is all a little confusing given I thought 68mm has been the smallest standard width for several decades (the bike is my 1997 Dawes Galaxy.)

What's my next move, dudes?!

I would spacer it myself.

Al2001
Apr 7, 2007

You've gone through at the back

CopperHound posted:

Just bottom out drive tight, then do up the non drive side as far as it goes. If both cups bottom out easy there will be no preload on the bearings. If the gap is less than 2mm when tightened down all the way, just leave it.

That's what I did last time, but now if I bottom out the drive side, attempting to tighten the non-drive side pushes out the drive side, so I'm going to try a spacer. (I can't tighten to a point where there isn't play anymore - I could before, I conveyed that confusingly in the original post. Maybe the threads aren't great idk.)

Al2001 fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Nov 27, 2020

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012

Al2001 posted:

attempting to tighten the non-drive side pushes out the drive side
:stonk:
Sounds like some knackered threads to me. Maybe beyond what chasing can fix. Luckily these things exist and any bike shop should be able to order them for you:
https://www.jbi.bike/site/search_usd.php?x1=BOTTOM+BRACKETS&x2=SEALED+CARTRIDGE+REPAIR#BOTTOM+BRACKETS_SEALED+CARTRIDGE+REPAIR

Skarsnik
Oct 21, 2008

I...AM...RUUUDE!




Yeah that's some wrecked threads

Those non threaded repair BBs work really well but don't forget you'll need 2 BB tools to tighten it up. Its one of those things you don't realise till you go to install it

Al2001
Apr 7, 2007

You've gone through at the back
Ahh that sucks but obviously makes sense if the entire bottom bracket has been moving around in the shell. Like a dope I just thought the bearings were worn so the spindle was moving a little at first, so I probably made it worse riding around. I'll check out those repair bottom brackets. Thanks, good tip.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Skarsnik posted:

Those non threaded repair BBs work really well but don't forget you'll need 2 BB tools to tighten it up. Its one of those things you don't realise till you go to install it

Didn’t think of that. The self expanding one from VO expanded enough from hand threading that I could tighten in one side and have the BB hold position.

Kidney Stone
Dec 28, 2008

The worst pain ever!

Al2001 posted:



Just replacing my bottom bracket and I realised it's about 2mm too wide for the shell. Then I remembered the last time I did this at the bike co-op, I had the same problem, but although there was a 2mm gap on the non drive side, the drive side was in far enough that it basically was ok (no play, although there's some light rust, so I suppose some water got in!)

This is all a little confusing given I thought 68mm has been the smallest standard width for several decades (the bike is my 1997 Dawes Galaxy.)

What's my next move, dudes?!

The roughly 2 mm your bottom bracket is too wide for the shell, can be adjusted using a 2.5 mm spacer on the drive side.

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.
Guess what’s back in San Diego....

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VelociBacon
Dec 8, 2009

What is that?

VideoGameVet
May 14, 2005

It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion. It is by the juice of Java that pedaling acquires speed, the teeth acquire stains, stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my bike in motion.

VelociBacon posted:

What is that?

Goat-head thorn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E95lxyZkGw

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Has anyone heard of this happening? From various bending in the routing, the strands of compressionless housing wiring shift all the way through the housing, poking out one side and pulling in on the other.

This is Jagwire KEB (brake housing):

This was all square when I initially installed it.

I was using the provided flex hose to run the last bend around the top of the handlebar into the shifter, and the wires poking out were the initial contact point with the flex cable’s integrated aluminum ferrule. And under braking, the housing end was flexing a lot, trying to compress more squarely at the ferrule, leading to some mushiness and visible downstream flexing (like all the way at the rear brake).

The LBS’s fix here was to toss the flex portion and run cable all the way into the shifter. The feel is way better. So for now, the strands haven’t dealigned under braking motion?

I did a decent job of filing/trimming the cut cable ends before installing, and I’m wondering whether I did imperfect enough of a job that it facilitated the dealignment, or if it was bound to happen with the particular routing I had. Hope eliminating the flex hose makes a difference in the long term.

FireTora
Oct 6, 2004

It's normal, how long have they been installed for? I've had it happen to every cable housing over time. Tight fitting housing ferrules will minimize it since they'll keep the end flush better. It shouldn't be affecting brake feel at all since it's just the wires shifting through the housing and not spreading apart inside.

e: It might affect feel, but that'll be if the strands sticking out are compressing when you pull the level if they're pushing the housing away from the ferrule/cable stop and not because the rest of the cable is compromised.

FireTora fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Dec 4, 2020

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
Brand new. Couldn’t have been used for more than a couple hours. One problem is that none of the shifters, cross top levers, or brakes are really tight, nor can they accommodate even a thin ferrule. So that source of slop will always be there.

FireTora
Oct 6, 2004

Yeah, not much more you can do really then. It's partly from bending the housing making the strands go different distances. Installing the housing and then doing the final cut while it's as close to its final position as possible will probably minimize it since then all the strands will be slightly different lengths.

The real solution to the problem is to get hydro discs though.:science:

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012

You need ferrules for shift/compressionless housing. Use stepped ferrules where normal ones don't fit.

eSporks
Jun 10, 2011

kimbo305 posted:

cross top levers
Have these always been part of the equation? Cross tops themselves are always going to disrupt the lever feel and introduce some mushiness and play into the system. They also put a ton of stress of cable housing.
The other tips here are all good ways to minimize things, but a system will never feel as good with cross tops installed.

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad
I'm having trouble finding an ID 5mm - OD 5mm stepped ferrule. Can someone link me to one?

eSporks posted:

Have these always been part of the equation? Cross tops themselves are always going to disrupt the lever feel and introduce some mushiness and play into the system. They also put a ton of stress of cable housing.
The other tips here are all good ways to minimize things, but a system will never feel as good with cross tops installed.

Yeah, they were part of my initial build. I strongly suspect operating them (and not the brake levers) was the cause of the dealignment in the short runs between the cross levers and the shift levers.
The LBS said the cables leading from the cross levers to the brakes looked better, which again makes sense since they don't move around when the cross lever is pulled.

I told the shop to leave the cross levers there for this iteration of the fix just to see how much improvement there was, since it'd be more of a haul to pull the cables through the frame and rerun a new one leaving the cross lever out. I know there's some extra mush built in from them, but obviously I can't easily quantify how much.

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012

kimbo305 posted:

I'm having trouble finding an ID 5mm - OD 5mm stepped ferrule. Can someone link me to one?
The POP ones:
https://jagwire.com/guides/end-caps

Might be a bit long to get great cross top routing.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib
I tightened up my brakes this weekend. Now the free stroke is much smaller and I am much happier. It took about 3 minutes to adjust both front and rear, just a little more cable sticking out of the assembly at the caliper and the pads a couple of millimetres closer to the disks when at rest position.

TobinHatesYou
Aug 14, 2007

wacky cycling inflatable
tube man

FireTora posted:

Yeah, not much more you can do really then. It's partly from bending the housing making the strands go different distances. Installing the housing and then doing the final cut while it's as close to its final position as possible will probably minimize it since then all the strands will be slightly different lengths.

The real solution to the problem is to get hydro discs though.:science:


Or full run of compressionless link housing if stuck on mechanical.

Thom ZombieForm
Oct 29, 2010

I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive
I will eat you alive
I purchased a canyon bicycle and am attempting setup. I hit a snag with screwing in the faceplate for the "canyon ahead set" handlebar to the stem. 3 of the 4 screw locations allow for hand tightening the screws, but the top right location is not. I've tried using other screws in that spot and attempted multiple screw in but it requires the torque wrench to get it in, but even then it's a not completely flush. Anything I can do here? I rage quit the process a minute ago as the paste was getting everywhere and it's a very fiddly process

Head Bee Guy
Jun 12, 2011

Retarded for Busting
Grimey Drawer
e: wrong thread

Head Bee Guy fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Dec 10, 2020

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

Thom ZombieForm posted:

I've tried using other screws in that spot and attempted multiple screw in but it requires the torque wrench to get it in, but even then it's a not completely flush. Anything I can do here? I rage quit the process a minute ago as the paste was getting everywhere and it's a very fiddly process

Take a video and send it to Canyon. Could very well be a QC issue.

Crumps Brother
Sep 5, 2007

-G-
Get Equipped with
Ground Game
I caught one hell of a stick yesterday. It was dime sized and 3-4 inches long. I finished the ride with the tire holding air through a combination of a dynaplug and some duct tape. What can I do for a more permanent fix?

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012

Patch it from the inside.

If the hole is big enough for the tire to bulge with a normal patch, you can get fabric reinforced patches. Rema and Hutchinson sell them.

CopperHound fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Dec 10, 2020

meowmeowmeowmeow
Jan 4, 2017

Thom ZombieForm posted:

I purchased a canyon bicycle and am attempting setup. I hit a snag with screwing in the faceplate for the "canyon ahead set" handlebar to the stem. 3 of the 4 screw locations allow for hand tightening the screws, but the top right location is not. I've tried using other screws in that spot and attempted multiple screw in but it requires the torque wrench to get it in, but even then it's a not completely flush. Anything I can do here? I rage quit the process a minute ago as the paste was getting everywhere and it's a very fiddly process

Sounds like the stem was improperly threaded or you cross threaded one of the early attempts and buggered it, but sounds like broken from the start. Any pics of the threaded hole? I assume by paste you mean the carbon assembly paste between bars and stem?

Crumps Brother
Sep 5, 2007

-G-
Get Equipped with
Ground Game

CopperHound posted:

Patch it from the inside.

If the hole is big enough for the tire to bulge with a normal patch, you can get fabric reinforced patches. Rema and Hutchinson sell them.
Oh cool. I thought patching a hole like that would be a bigger deal. That's much easier than I thought. Thanks for the info.

The Dagda
Nov 22, 2005

Apologies for the noob question, I'm not much of a bike mechanic. On my beater/town road bike, which I got for cheap from a guy who built it up, my rear wheel started grinding in a way that made me think it was a problem with the freewheel or hub. It's a solid axle cup and cone hub. After getting a proprietary tool to take off the freewheel and finally getting a look in at the hub, I noticed that one of the cones is really pitted, so that is a problem anyway. But I also noticed this on the cassette side of the hub:

https://imgur.com/OoIIzSH
https://imgur.com/vhTN63s

It looks like...the bottom of the cup fully came off and got wedged further down in the hub?! Am I interpreting that correctly? It may be hard to see in the photos but there is a jagged metal lip on the inside that suggests to me that the bottom of the cup used to be not so far inside the hub and tore off or something. If that's right, how would that have even happened? And, I guess I need to buy a new hub?

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Edit: nevermind, you got it

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012

Yeah its kinda hosed. I don't have an explanation for how that happens. If you are feeling particularly ambitious, that cup is pressed in and theoretically can be replaced. Here is some info on it: http://bruceteakle.blogspot.com/2017/03/replacing-bicycle-wheel-bearing-hub-cups.html No, I can't help you find the correct cups for your hub.

Most people would replace that wheel.

The Dagda
Nov 22, 2005

CopperHound posted:

Yeah its kinda hosed. I don't have an explanation for how that happens. If you are feeling particularly ambitious, that cup is pressed in and theoretically can be replaced. Here is some info on it: http://bruceteakle.blogspot.com/2017/03/replacing-bicycle-wheel-bearing-hub-cups.html No, I can't help you find the correct cups for your hub.

Most people would replace that wheel.

Oof. Thanks, good to know.

The Vikings
Jul 3, 2004

ODIN!!!!!

Nap Ghost
I don't know a lot about fixing bikes, and am not sure how to figure out what wheel to get, so I could use some help. The local shop wasn't that interested in helping, though I did get some information from them.

I have a bike I got back in 2018, used but like-new, a 2016 focus cayo disc shimano 105 60cm XL carbon fiber endurance road per the ad. I think it's this one: https://www.leisurelakesbikes.com/bikes/road-racing-bikes/focus-cayo-105-disc-road-bike-2016-blackred__45987 , but the manufacturer (Focus) doesn't list this model. Here's the numbers on my actual frame:





I have wheels: DT Swiss R522db, (per the shop 100x15 (?) thru axle, 6 bolt) disc breaks (I think https://www.ebay.com/c/25003081526, I can't find these on the manufactuere site either :()





This is the tire it uses:


I've always struggled getting the tires on and off these wheels. I found a flat on my front tire this morning from my previous ride, and when I was attempting to get the tire off to change the tube, I cracked the rim. (Feel free to pile on here, the shop kept telling me I'm doing it wrong, though in my defense I can change tires easily on my two previous bikes and all of the other bikes I've had occasion to help with for my wife and friends). Anyway, I need at least one new wheel now, and would rather just get two so that I am able to get the tires on/off without such a hard time as with these ones.

On a previous occasion, the shop had told me that these wheels were tubeless tire compatible, which is why they were more difficult to get the tire off of than a wheel that wasn't tubeless compatible. Today thought, the guy said all of the wheels would be equally difficult to change tires on, and they didn't have any wheels of the right size anyway. Feel like I'm on my own to figure this out.

What I'm looking for is

1) what size and other parameter wheels will fit my frame?
2) Are there some wheels that aren't so difficult to change tires on?

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012

The Vikings posted:

1) what size and other parameter wheels will fit my frame?
2) Are there some wheels that aren't so difficult to change tires on?
1) You need a 700c(622 etrto) rim on a disc hub with a compatible axle (Quick Release, 12mm thru axle, or 15mm thru axle).
2) You should learn to change tires on difficult rims. Imagine that tire beads do no stretch at all, and then look at rim profiles to see what you might be doing wrong. Failing that, look at the profiles on wheels you are interested in and compare that to wheels you can change the tire on - I can't really be arsed to explain it in text right now.

CopperHound fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Dec 13, 2020

norp
Jan 20, 2004

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP

let's invade New Zealand, they have oil
Remembering that you can move the opposite bead (into the centre of the rim) to the one you are trying to get over the rim is the key to getting the first/last bit of bead over.
Also I'm told that starting in the right place wrt the stem is important but I've never really found that to be the case beyond wanting to be at least a quarter turn away when getting the last bit of bead on/off

norp fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Dec 13, 2020

kimbo305
Jun 9, 2007

actually, yeah, I am a little mad

The Vikings posted:

2) Are there some wheels that aren't so difficult to change tires on?

What makes mounting/ unmounting difficult is if the run is tall or if the tire bead has small circumference, both of which reduce their relative clearance.
Unfortunately, most of these products don't advertise their specific dimensions, so you might not be able to know that a combo is going to be workable beforehand. That's why the shop wasn't interested there -- they have no more info than you do, outside of a few models that might be notoriously hard to work with.

Tubeless rims are shaped differently and do err on the side of taller rim walls, but not to the extent that you're guaranteed to break it. If you run into the same difficulties mounting your new combo, it's not the end of the world too have the shop do it.

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012

Just thought I would check here. Has anyone started making old style six speed cassettes where the smallest cog is the lock ring, or is ebay NOS the only option?

Havana Affair
Apr 6, 2009
You mean uniglide cassettes? Nos is the only option as far as I know.

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DevCore
Jul 16, 2003

Schooled by Satan


Is there a front rack that’s a similar design as the pass and stow rack?
I really don’t feel like dropping $280 for a handmade front rack.

https://www.passandstowracks.com/

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