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Bracket & Noms Spreadsheet Letterboxd List Tokyo Conference / Doubles Conference   Itallian Conference / American Slasher Conference   Where We're At: The Championships! 4. MacheteZombie’s The One n Dones vs. 5. Deb’s Queer as in gently caress You - James Bond III’s Def by Temptation vs. Hélène Cattet & Bruno Forzani’s Amer - Lesley Manning’s Ghostwatch vs. Nikos Nikolaidis’ Singapore Sling - Kathryn Bigelow’s Near Dark vs. Hélène Cattet & Bruno Forzani’s The Strange Colors of Your Body Vote or change your vote until 3 AM EST Sept 10th (or when I wake up) ------------------- Happy Holidays my fellow Spook-a-Doodle fans! Its been a couple of months since we ended our epic summer long Director Bracketology Tournament/Movie Club and we had plenty of Halloween Challenges and Sunday Chill Streams but we’re all nerds so we’re itching, aren’t we? So I volunteered to do Bracketology II and I have an idea. You know me, I can be an over complicated crazy person so I’m gonna do my best to keep this simple. We keep the same basic format Shrecknet established. Open nominations for Directors and their lists of movies. A big vote to see who gets in and seeding. A council of folks to pick the top seeds and troubleshoot problems. Weekly rounds. All what we’re used to and what Shreck established and ran so well. Here’s where I get involved and it gets a little complicated. Eligibility: Every director is eligible even if they played last round, but only films that didn’t get played last round are eligible. So Dario Argento is eligible but Suspiria and Deep Red are not. You can still put together a ballot for Argento but not including those two heavyweights since they got played last round. Ballot Size: Every ballot/nomination/list must have a minimum of 6 films on it but no maximum. The minimum avoids us repeating movies and the maximum assures that there’s no way to weight a ballot one way or another for a director by either cherry picking their 6 best films or their 6 worst. Instead if someone like Wes Craven has a large and uneven catalogue its gonna be a wild card each round for what he draws. Teams: Argento and Craven will be able to find 6+ films easy but others like David Cronenberg, Sam Raimi, Brian Yuzna, or David Lynch went deep and won’t. And there’s still plenty of directors who don’t have 6 films in total. That’s where it gets fun. You can team 2-6 directors up for one list provided they have 5 or less eligible films each. So you can team up 6 directors with 1 eligible film, 3 with 2, or 2 with 5. The math just has to work out but you can’t cherry pick. If a director has 6 films they have to be on their own, and if you get to 6 with 2 directors you can’t add a 3rd. Make sense? That opens the door for all kinds of interesting things. You could team Cronenberg’s remaining horrors up with his son’s. Or team Raimi’s Evil Dead up with Matt Guertz’s Tonight She Comes and Fede Alvaraz’s Evil Dead ’13. Or team Robert Rodriguez, Quentin Tarantino, and Eli Roth up as the “Grindhouse” team. One Hit Wonders like Night of the Hunter and Carnival of Souls? A couple of directors from the same country? Some real trash stuff? Your primary limitation is what you can theme up and make work. But “No Cherry Picking” is key to keep this “fair” I think. You have to make a good faith effort to fill your team with a director’s eligible films. If something is especially obscure or a short or something that can be skipped, but if you did do that Raimi/Guertz/Alvarez teamup you’d also have to include Raimi’s The Gift, Alvarez’s Don’t Breathe, and Guertz’ RWD. So does that all make sense? I think its a simple enough twist on what we already made work that both keeps this going and adds a new wrinkle people could have fun with. It lets you put together teams, have a vested rooting interest in your team(s), and creates potentially wild card entries if you can make the right combination. And again, I propose a Council of 8 like last time to deal with any problems and pick 8 top seeds. I would suggest disqualifying myself in the name of fairness and nominate the 8 top posters in the last thread. Provided they’re all interested and still engaged. Debbie Does Dagon TrixRabbi Basebf555 Franchescanado married but discreet Shrecknet Burkion MacheteZombie The other question is when? We can start this Jan 1st if we want or we can delay it if people’s schedules ask for it. The goal is participation and fun so if delaying this makes sense I say we delay it. But if we’re ready to go, I’ll get the ball rolling. For the sake of reference here are links to Shrek’s spreadsheet of movies played last time and now ineligible, a quick a dirty spreadsheet I compiled of what nominated directors/movies are still eligible, and the thread itself. Last Year’s Thread Last Year’s Spreadsheet Last Year’s Holdovers This Tourney's Noms So what does everyone think? STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 08:04 on Sep 3, 2021 |
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I'm definitely still interested! The teamup thing is intriguing, but it might be putting a huge advantage towards those vs single directors. We had a big list of directors left out from the last tournament, anyone able to dig that up?
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Dec 5, 2020 17:44
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I think the "no cherry picking" thing helps counter a bit. Like if you can put together a team of 2-6 directors with really tight and great catalogues and no trash, yeah, you might have an edge. But that's at least harder than last time with the 2 film directors. And maybe the big time director gets unlucky and draws a bad film but I think the randomness of the movie pick is more appealing to the "movie club" aspect. And everyone loved the upsets last time.
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Dec 5, 2020 18:48
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The tournament itself sounds like it would be great but I'm worried that nomination process would be very complicated.
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Dec 5, 2020 19:26
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I'm just going to dive in headfirst and nominate myself a squad I can root for: The Brutal Brits - Ben Wheatley & Neil Marshall Kill List Sightseers A Field in England Dog Soldiers The Descent Doomsday
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Dec 5, 2020 19:38
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Basebf555 posted:The tournament itself sounds like it would be great but I'm worried that nomination process would be very complicated. Its certainly possible and was my concern. I always overcomplicate things. But I'm gonna try and stay hands off and not nitpick things. Hopefully it won't be an issue much. Like Tarnop's nom seems like it checks out fine.
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Dec 5, 2020 19:54
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Team Name: Queer as in gently caress You Directors: Yann Gonzalez, Bertrand Mandico, Hélène Cattet/Bruno Forzani, Alejandro Jodorowsky, Nikos Nikolaidis Films: Knife + Heart Les garçons sauvages The Strange Color of You Body's Tears Amer Santa Sangre Singapore Sling Possible nitpicks: Let the Corpses Tan - which is a thriller See You in Hell, My Darling - which is very hard to find
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Dec 5, 2020 20:01
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drat, I had a really lesser known giallo director lineup before I realized I can't include directors who would qualify on their own. It would have been this: What Have You Done to Solange? (1972) - Massimo Dallamano The Bloodstained Butterfly (1971) - Duccio Tessari Death Laid an Egg (1968) - Giulio Questi Short Night of Glass Dolls (1971) - Aldo Lado Who Saw Her Die? (1972) - Aldo Lado Eye in the Labyrinth (1972) - Mario Caiano
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Dec 5, 2020 20:02
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Team Name: Queer as in gently caress You We watched Cattet/Forzani for the last tournament, didn't we?
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Dec 5, 2020 20:03
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Basebf555 posted:The tournament itself sounds like it would be great but I'm worried that nomination process would be very complicated. Would be fun just to theorycraft for a while, no need to start this in January.
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Dec 5, 2020 20:04
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married but discreet posted:We watched Cattet/Forzani for the last tournament, didn't we? We didn't, they didn't even get through the nominations process 
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Dec 5, 2020 20:10
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married but discreet posted:Would be fun just to theorycraft for a while, no need to start this in January. married but discreet posted:drat, I had a really lesser known giallo director lineup before I realized I can't include directors who would qualify on their own. edit: Noms Spreadsheet. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rzRuxycZQQAkq1VjkgDyqTpmhrN_uVRSyk5d4D0I7Ig/edit?usp=sharing
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Dec 5, 2020 20:12
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Hell, Joel Schumacher isn't on any list? Lost Boys Flatliners 8MM Blood Creek Phantom of the Opera The Number 23
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Dec 5, 2020 20:15
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Obviously Bava needs to have another crack at this. I believe the only two movies he burned last time were Kill, Baby Kill!, and Twitch of the Death Nerve. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think his eligible films would be: The Girl Who Knew Too Much Black Sunday Black Sabbath Blood and Black Lace Planet of the Vampires Five Dolls for an August Moon Hatchet for the Honeymoon Baron Blood Lisa and the Devil Shock
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Dec 5, 2020 20:28
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I'm working on a list of one horror film directors for a team. Charles Laughton- night of the hunter Kathryn Bigelow- near dark Fran rubel kuzui - Buffy the vampire slayer Bill gunn - ganja n hess James bond iii - def by temptation Gerard mcmurray- first purge Mati diop - Atlantics Julia Ducournau- raw Anna biller - love witch (tho viva may be horror) Coralie fargeat- revenge I also want to get koji back in this tourney but he has enough for himself again though many of them aren't easily accessible. So maybe he'd qualify for a team up?
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Dec 5, 2020 20:32
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Adding my two heavyweights both to get them off the board and address the "no maximum" factor. John Carpenter 1) The Thing 2) Halloween 3) In The Mouth of Madness 4) The Fog 5) Vampires 6) Village of the Damned 7) Ghosts of Mars 8) The Ward 9) Cigarette Burns 10) Pro-Life Wes Craven 1) Scream 2) A Nightmare on Elm Street 3) Scream 2 4) Scream 4 5) Scream 3 6) New Nightmare 7) The Hills Have Eyes 8) Red Eye 9) The People Under The Stairs 10) The Serpent and The Rainbow 11) Swamp Thing Shocker 12) Cursed 13) Vampire in Brooklyn 14) My Soul to Take 15) Deadly Blessing 16) Deadly Friend 17) The Hills Have Eyes Part 2 18) Summer of Fear 19) Invitation to Hell 20) Chiller So like obviously those are crazy lists, especially Wes. But I kind of like that because it increases the randomness of the draw each round and puts no bias on their choices. And wouldn't it be kind of funny if we did this thing over and over and Wes kept drawing his bad films every time? I love him but I can appreciate that.
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Dec 5, 2020 20:32
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I guess this brings up the intersection of the No Cherry Picking rule with Thrillers:Y/N? If thrillers are included and there's no cherry picking then that Joel Schumacher list doubles in size and includes a John Grisham adaptation
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Dec 5, 2020 20:40
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I guess I'm seeing Thrillers as bubble movies. So I guess that is "cherry picking", which is unfortunately contradictory. But I figure if people feel strongly one way or another about a movie in particular then we can hash it out. Like if someone felt strongly that Phonebooth and Falling Down should count as much as 8MM? I can see that case. But like A Time to Kill and The Client? Not so much. So we hash it out and if necessary put it up to a council vote before we finalize noms.
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Dec 5, 2020 20:48
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A sensible ruling
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Dec 5, 2020 20:52
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Just to clarify, Teams must be composed of directors with an exact total of 6 movies, right?
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Dec 5, 2020 20:57
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Minimum 6, no maximum There's an implied maximum because you can't just keep adding directors to a team that's already at 6+
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Dec 5, 2020 21:00
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Tarnop posted:Minimum 6, no maximum Aye, in that case we gotta add all eligible movies to Brutal Brits to avoid nitpicks, no? Neil Marshall has 5 full horror movies so we should add The Reckoning (2020) and Hellboy (2019). Ben Wheatley could perhaps also have High Rise (2016) and Rebecca (2020) added? They're at the very least horror adjacent. married but discreet fucked around with this message at 21:10 on Dec 5, 2020 |
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Dec 5, 2020 21:05
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I just went off stuff tagged as horror on letterboxd. I didn't realise The Reckoning had seen general release yet.
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married but discreet posted:Just to clarify, Teams must be composed of directors with an exact total of 6 movies, right? This is definitely the most complicated part of this and I'm not sure how to phrase it properly. You're maxed at directors at 6. You're not maxed at films at 6. But you're maxed at ADDING directors when you get to 6 films. So if Director A has 5 films you can add 1 more director. Director B could have 1-5 films for a total of 6-10 films, but whatever Director B's total is will get you to 6 so you can't add a 3rd. If Directors A and B have 2 films, Director C has 3, and Director D has 1 then there's a few ways you can work it. You could put A, B, and C together for a total of 7. Or you could put A OR B with C and D for a total 6. But you couldn't put all of them together because you could reach 6 without D. married but discreet posted:Aye, in that case we gotta add all eligible movies to Brutal Brits to avoid nitpicks, no? Doomsday is on. I think Reckoning is theoretically dismissible since it doesn't seem to have any distribution. So its up to what people thing about those. But if we included them all it would still be a valid team since Marshall has 5 and Wheatley has 5.
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Dec 5, 2020 21:11
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Ok, Tried to make Team Grindhouse work but Eli Roth and Rob Zombie have too many films. So adding them and then trying for my team with what’s left. Eli Roth 1) Hostel 2) Knock, Knock 3) Green Inferno 4) Cabin Fever 5) The House With The Clock In The Walls 6) Hostel Part II Rob Zombie 1) House of 1000 Corpses 2) Halloween 3) The Devil's Rejects 4) Lords of Salem 5) 3 From Hell 6) 31 7) The Haunted World of El Superbeasto Team Grindhouse Robert Rodriguez 1) From Dusk Til Dawn 2) The Faculty Quentin Tarantino 3) Death Proof Edgar Wright 4) Shaun of the Dead Jason Eisener 5) Hobo With a Shotgun Allison Anders, Alexandre Rockwell, Robert Rodriguez, and Quentin Tarantino 6) Four Rooms Ok, that last one is a reach but it has witches, Hitchcock, desiccated corpses, and torture. I dare you to tell me its not at least horror adjacent. Why’d we have to burn Planet Terror? if people really object I’ll pull it until I can find a 6th STAC Goat fucked around with this message at 23:40 on Dec 5, 2020 |
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Dec 5, 2020 23:16
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Ok, I don't want to spam this and do them all but I feel like this is a super obvious one everyone will like that helps defuse the idea that this "team" thing has to be complicated. It can be as simple as finding 2 directors with small catalogues who fit well together. Team Exorcist (William Friedkin & William Peter Blatty) William Friedkin 1) The Exorcist 2) Bug 3) The Guardian 4) The Devil & Father Amorth William Peter Blatty 5) The Exorcist III 6) The Ninth Configuration
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Lloyd Kaufman The Toxic Avenger The Toxic Avenger Part II The Toxic Avenger Part III: The Last Temptation of Toxie Citizen Toxie: The Toxic Avenger IV Class of Nuke 'Em High Return to Nuke ’Em High Volume 1 Return to… Return to Nuke ’Em High AKA Vol. 2 Tromeo & Juliet Poultrygeist: Night of the Chicken Dead Terror Firmer Parts of the Family
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Team: The NYC Grime Connection (Frank Henenlotter, and Abel Ferrara) (Frank Henenlotter) Basket Case Basket Case 2 Brain Damage Frankenhooker Bad Biology (Abel Ferrara) Ms. 45 Driller Killer Body Snatchers If Abel loses because of Bad Biology, I apologise unreservedly.
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MacheteZombie posted:I'm working on a list of one horror film directors for a team. The Shining?
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Tarnop posted:The Shining? I'd say A Clockwork Orange and Eyes Wide Shut are both horror films
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Predation Jonathan Glazer - Under the Skin Tomas Alfredson - Let the Right One In David Robert Mitchell - It Follows Michael Powell - Peeping Tom Gerald Kargl - Angst Steven Spielberg - Jaws
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Dec 6, 2020 06:14
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Tarnop posted:Steven Spielberg - Jaws Spielberg needs Duel and some big dinos rolled up in there too.
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*throws toys out of pram*
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MacheteZombie posted:I'm working on a list of one horror film directors for a team. Another for the Ones Na Hong-jin - The Wailing
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:I'd say A Clockwork Orange and Eyes Wide Shut are both horror films Hell, teaming up Kubrick and Spielberg might be unfair but it would be one heck of a duo. Trying to come up with a lineup for my homecountry, work in progress. Not very competitive but should probably make for at least one interesting watch. Austrian Oscar Winners who also do horror Cold Hell (2017) - Stefan Ruzowitzky Patient Zero (2017) - Stefan Ruzowitzky Anatomy (2000) - Stefan Ruzowitzky Anatomy 2 (2003) - Stefan Ruzowitzky Funny Games (1997) - Michael Haneke Funny Games (2008) - Michael Haneke Benny's Video (1992) - Michael Haneke The Time of the Wolf (2003) - Michael Haneke Caché (2005) - Michael Haneke I don't quiiiite know if Time of the Wolf and Cache would be appropriate (not seen, but they sound at least horror adjacent). Plus Haneke has an experimental documentary of sorts that sounds like it could apply: [url posted:https://iffr.com/en/1993/films/nachruf-f%C3%BCr-einen-m%C3%B6rder[/url]] I could switch out Haneke for Veronika Franz & Severin Fiala: Goodnight Mommy (2015) - Veronika Franz, Severin Fiala The Lodge (2020) - Veronika Franz, Severin Fiala The Field Guide to Evil (2018) - Segment "Die Trud" - Veronika Franz, Severin Fiala
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Debbie Does Dagon posted:Spielberg needs Duel and some big dinos rolled up in there too. I accept this correction. STAC Goat, could you swap out Spielberg for Alice Lowe - Prevenge in my group please?
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Tarnop posted:I accept this correction. STAC Goat, could you swap out Spielberg for Alice Lowe - Prevenge in my group please? married but discreet posted:
Its up to you. I'm not familiar enough with Haneke to say. A quick look at the films makes it seem like they MIGHT be but I dunno. So unless someone voices in with an objection its probably your call of Haneke or Franz/Fiala.
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Blockbuster Monsters Spielberg: Duel Jaws Jurassic Park War of the Worlds Stephen Sommers: Deep Rising The Mummy The Mummy Returns Van Helsing Odd Thomas
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In the name of balance if Spielberg has Jurassic Park he probably get gets Lost World too, no? Nom still holds valid even with that. That's the perfect 5+5 team.
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STAC Goat posted:In the name of balance if Spielberg has Jurassic Park he probably get gets Lost World too, no? Yea definitely, just an oversight on my part
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