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thekeeshman posted:Not wanting to make your character yourself is fine. Claiming to not understand why other people want to makes you a moron I know I often say stupid things, but I think it's better than calling people names in this aggressive way. I've been around the internet awhile and I've come to really grow tired of the intensely combative manner that most people type. I'm aware that I myself sometimes sound like I'm angry or insulting. The difference is, I am willing to categorically state that I am strictly interested in conversations which, ultimately, don't make anyone feel bad. Even you, in calling me a moron - I disagree with you, and I think the way you're choosing to present aggression to the world is wrong, but I still don't want you to feel bad. Sorry again to anyone who has perceived me as wishing them negativity - I stress that such never was, and never will be, my intent. Even if I think you're wrong, or an rear end in a top hat - the world sucks enough as is. Unless you're being harmful, you deserve to feel okay about a message board. We all do.
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Starks posted:I understand that, I was specifically referring to the following chart: I wish this would also clarify the sort of frame rate you should expect. Is this for 30fps or 60fps? CDPR hasn't said.
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Starks posted:You really missed out on a career in politics/PR my friend. I didn't ask if there was a standard, just asked if it was common. I literally just made a straightforward statement of fact? There's no spin there, that's literally just... how it is? 
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Subjunctive posted:I tried to have a good faith discussion with you about the relationship between Pondsmith’s and Gibson’s works, but no joy. I would like to hear more about this. I am not super familiar with cyberpunk. I've read just about everything Gibson, but I am not sure how he manages to receive such an incredible monopoly on credit for all the various cyber/punk concepts.
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I said come in! posted:I wish this would also clarify the sort of frame rate you should expect. Is this for 30fps or 60fps? CDPR hasn't said. Unless removing denuvo and/or day 1 patch are going to work a miracle, the benchmarks strongly suggested that chart targets 30.
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Someone create me a Johnny Silverhand “you can’t cut the dildo budget! You will regret this!”
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ymgve posted:I suspect the Day One patch is pre-baked into the preloads. After all, it would have to go through certification/testing, which takes a few days in itself. I hope so but I am not sure if this is the case. Steam preload currently sits at below 60gbs which seems low compared to the 100+ we see getting preloaded on consoles, unless the increased size in those cases is due to console jank
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Nvidia released some numbers saying a 3090 can't push 4k60 fps at ultra quality with rtx and dlss. You can probably turn off high quality street debris and get some performance increases without much noticeable difference though. Who knows, we'll see tomorrow
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No Mods No Masters posted:Unless removing denuvo and/or day 1 patch are going to work a miracle, the benchmarks strongly suggested that chart targets 30. It's probably not even that concrete a target tbh. But locked 60 FPS ain't it for sure. System requirements/recommendations are almost always just infuriatingly vague in terms of what they mean for resolution/settings/fps. You always have to wait for reputable post launch benchmarks to know what the real hardware vs settings vs performance targets actually are. To be clear I think this sucks rear end, it's just incredibly pervasive in games in general. My wild guess is day 1 patch + no denuvo + driver updates make the FPS measurably better but nothing ~miraculous~. Ultra is meant to be a total ball buster, what will matter is what medium & high actually look like vs the fps you get. Usually sites like Digital Foundry discover 1-2 settings that make the FPS totally eat poo poo for like a 1% better image and everyone learns to turn them down or disable them and get on with their lives.
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AlternateAccount posted:I would like to hear more about this. I am not super familiar with cyberpunk. I've read just about everything Gibson, but I am not sure how he manages to receive such an incredible monopoly on credit for all the various cyber/punk concepts. For me, it's not that Gibson came up with all the concepts, but the best. Most cyberpunk writers get hyper focused on the neon, the grime, the transhumanism - all good stuff - but only Gibson, Sterling and a few others get the details which, for me, make the setting appealing. It's something hard to put into words exactly, but off the top of my head, here are some things present in Gibson novels which, in some way, illustrate my point: - The sections of Mona Lisa Overdrive describing her life on the catfish farms of Tennessee. - The section in the Bridge Trilogy where Rydell is eating lunch in a place that used to be a bank (based on a real place in Knoxville)
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ymgve posted:I suspect the Day One patch is pre-baked into the preloads. After all, it would have to go through certification/testing, which takes a few days in itself. I hope so because trying to get a Modern Warfare update on PS4 when the new season started was a poo poo show. This even happened with their latest patch, so it didn't get better. I'm just playing the buggy version if I can't get the patch downloaded in a reasonable amount of time. I don't see why they couldn't just bundle the day one patch into the preload though. There's no way they are still tweaking that patch up to the buzzer, right? I'm sure they are still fixing bugs but the day one patch surely has to be completed by now and ready to download.
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AlternateAccount posted:I would like to hear more about this. I am not super familiar with cyberpunk. I've read just about everything Gibson, but I am not sure how he manages to receive such an incredible monopoly on credit for all the various cyber/punk concepts. I think the answer is roughly “Neuromancer”, which hit at the right time and was well-enough received by non-genre reviewers that it was the reference point for a lot of people’s developing sense of lowercase “cyberpunk”. Neuromancer does predate capitalized “Cyberpunk 2020”, but Pondsmith said he didn’t read it until after he wrote his game. In addition to having no reason to believe that he’s lying, Neuromancer was a bigger bang outside of the sci-fi/Mondo/Boing Boing/Well/etc space than within it, at least initially. People who knew about cyberpunk had lots of things to read about it, but for people outside the “subculture” Neuromancer was the most visible, or only, access point, so it was how many readers got introduced to a lot of “generic cyberpunk” concepts. There was a comment up-thread about frequent, casual sex swapping in the Cyberpunk universe, but my recollection of it differs, so I’m going to re-read 2020 over the next little while to ground myself again before jumping into the game.
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AlternateAccount posted:I know Sapkowski got jammed due to being stupid about video games, but then tried to sue for millions. CDPR could have told him to jam it, but apparently reached some kind of mutually satisfactory conclusion? My understanding is that Polish law is very forgiving. Since the value of the IP ended up being much, much more than what he originally sold it for, Polish law had a backdoor that essentially allowed him to go back and get the actual value. He had asked for ~$16M USD in additional royalties, but reportedly settled for less and now everyone are contractually best friends again. 
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Here's a question, how do Devs even do like, playtesting and graphical bug fixes when the hardware doesn't exist to to run those settings the majority of development?
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Simone Magus posted:- The sections of Mona Lisa Overdrive describing her life on the catfish farms of Tennessee. How would you compare these (which I agree in at least one case is excellent; I don’t recall the Rydell one) to Williams’ stuff in Hardwired? I felt he captured a more working-class version of “caught up in it” than Gibson generally did, though I’m not sure I could articulate quite how he did.
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Mordiceius posted:I’ve seen people excusing the lack of gender neutral pronouns by saying “but the Polish language is gendered!” Which, based off a quick google search seems to be the case but also the language seems to have gender neutral words, not sure how it applies to the greater language. How do gender neutral people refer to themselves in Polish? I’m completely ignorant of this (also it’s a bad excuse). Yeah, like I said, it's 100% CDPR half-assing a really good opportunity for positive buzz about their game and LGBTQ+ representation. ...Instead all we've got is them tripping over dicks, literally.
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Simone Magus posted:I know I often say stupid things, but I think it's better than calling people names in this aggressive way. I've been around the internet awhile and I've come to really grow tired of the intensely combative manner that most people type. I try not to use language like that often, but this case has irked me. Like, if you don't get the appeal of "I get to be myself in space/dragonland/the cyber" for other people, if not yourself, then you clearly haven't given it more than 10 seconds thought. It's basic escapism. Then when people act like they're enlightened because they always play as someone else it's grating and condescending.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Here's a question, how do Devs even do like, playtesting and graphical bug fixes when the hardware doesn't exist to to run those settings the majority of development? CDPR has done this since Witcher 2, which had Supersampling settings that made the game unplayable for a couple years after release. As for CP77, I believe they said in interviews that most of their testing/development was done on 2080Tis or even dual 2080s so there ya go...
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Fojar38 posted:I hope so but I am not sure if this is the case. Steam preload currently sits at below 60gbs which seems low compared to the 100+ we see getting preloaded on consoles, unless the increased size in those cases is due to console jank That is only on PlayStation because of the way PS4 handles downloads.
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I will never understand the 'open ended RPG' players. Because I have no interest in that type of experience, I guess. I say that because there are already a pair of Q&As in youtube where people ask whatever, and this type of questions are super common: -Can you buy several apartments? -Can you have a pet? -Can you play games? -Can you watch tv series on tv? -Can you buy stocks? -Can you join a gang? -Can you talk with random people? -Can you have STDs? -Can you customize the color of you augs? -How detailed are the sex scenes? (I want to believe it's always horny teenagers) -How destructible are things? -Can you see individual bullet holes in wounded enemies? -Does corpses react to your shots? (I heard this one several times over the years, it always made me think of potential psychos) -Can you get fat? It's the love for those extraneous details without no real consequence like seeing the correct number of bullet holes in corpses that I don't get. They serve to shout 'oh the game is SO REALISTIC!' and that's it (and usually the game isn't realistic at all, see GTA). edit: let's not forget the ball shrinking! I feel the same with environmental interaction, the whole 'oh look, the toilet, the sink, the billiard table, etc can be interacted with!'. I see it as only cosmetic interactions, window dressing, totally superfluous. It would be different if the gameplay has been designed around that. I have the feeling they could be happy in a game without any story or progression, just an open city with random activities. Turin Turambar fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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I would not be surprised of CDPR has access to R&D tech and info from Nvidia, Sony, and Microsoft. They were probably one of the few people who knew way in advance what the release date, and specs of the new consoles would be.
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dragonshardz posted:Yeah, like I said, it's 100% CDPR half-assing a really good opportunity for positive buzz about their game and LGBTQ+ representation. I'd say they 80% assed it. Going with a full solution is prohibitively expensive, both in terms of real money, but in terms of time for development as well. They are barely getting the game out the door as is, with the limited scope. I'm more interested in hearing the experience from LGBT players post launch. AlternateAccount posted:I haven't been reading much fiction for a while, and I kind of avoid sci-fi because so much if it is just... not very good. So I am not at all equipped to answer this. What else? Ready Player One /s
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OK, so what would be the "Ten Required Reading Cyberpunk Novels"? Not BEST necessarily, but most impactful, most influential? 1> Neuromancer 2> Something Stephenson, I assume, but I am not sure which. I feel like "appreciating" Snow Crash, for example, requires familiarity with the tropes. 3> Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, if less on its own merits and more it's impact/effect via Blade Runner, etc. 4> ??? I haven't been reading much fiction for a while, and I kind of avoid sci-fi because so much if it is just... not very good. So I am not at all equipped to answer this. What else?
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Wait so can you use the dildo as a weapon or what’s the point? (X)Yes (O) No (Other button on PlayStation) Shake dildo menacingly How! fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Dec 8, 2020 |
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- Cyberpunk 2020 core book - Night City splat book - Cyberpunk Red And so forth
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AlternateAccount posted:OK, so what would be the "Ten Required Reading Cyberpunk Novels"? Not BEST necessarily, but most impactful, most influential? Stephenson isn't required, his books are more like "now that I read all the real poo poo, now what?" material IMO
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No Mods No Masters posted:- Cyberpunk 2020 core book I think he meant in the genre, not the game itself.
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I said come in! posted:I think he meant in the genre, not the game itself. My tongue was firmly in cheek but I understand this doesn't always come across in the posting fracass. Thank you
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Do 1984 or Brave New World count?
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Nthing people go check out ghost in shell too. Keeping in mind the source materials pretty horny, but even that is pretty cyberpunk in and of itself
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:CDPR has done this since Witcher 2, which had Supersampling settings that made the game unplayable for a couple years after release. But that's kind of my point. The game has been in development since 2012 and the 2080 came out in late 2018.
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w00tmonger posted:Nthing people go check out ghost in shell too. Keeping in mind the source materials pretty horny, but even that is pretty cyberpunk in and of itself That's a pretty good call But yeah, super horny
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Turin Turambar posted:I have the feeling they could be happy in a game without any story or progression, just an open city with random activities. I mean, Euro Truck Simulator and Farm Simulator aren’t really lauded for their progression mechanics as I understand it, and The Sims is a whole franchise anchored in funhouse mirror quotidian living. You are almost certainly correct.
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sean10mm posted:Stephenson isn't required, his books are more like "now that I read all the real poo poo, now what?" material IMO This feels really accurate to me, and explains why it never fully resonated when I read it. ymgve posted:Do 1984 or Brave New World count? This is a good suggestion, since they are prototypical for some of the eventual themes. w00tmonger posted:Nthing people go check out ghost in shell too. Keeping in mind the source materials pretty horny, but even that is pretty cyberpunk in and of itself The anime or the manga? Probably both, really. And probably early Standalone Complex, too. More straightforward genre, less existential philosophizing.
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w00tmonger posted:Nthing people go check out ghost in shell too. Keeping in mind the source materials pretty horny, but even that is pretty cyberpunk in and of itself Manmachine Interface is very horny, but it has some of the best representations of cyber hacking I've seen. The last part with the 'heist' and cyber-pursuit and final fight was super thrilling.
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Subjunctive posted:How would you compare these (which I agree in at least one case is excellent; I don’t recall the Rydell one) to Williams’ stuff in Hardwired? I felt he captured a more working-class version of “caught up in it” than Gibson generally did, though I’m not sure I could articulate quite how he did. Oh, Hardwired is fantastic, though I'd give the edge to Gibson. I think a lot of these nebulous feelings I have come down to authors who feel like they're writing about people rather than about a world. Like, I think Gibson has way more in common with Camus than he does with Clarke or Asimov.
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Subjunctive posted:I mean, Euro Truck Simulator and Farm Simulator aren’t really lauded for their progression mechanics as I understand it, and The Sims is a whole franchise anchored in funhouse mirror quotidian living. You are almost certainly correct. You know what, the comparison with Them Sims is something it had escaped me, but now I'm seeing it...
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No Mods No Masters posted:My tongue was firmly in cheek but I understand this doesn't always come across in the posting fracass. Thank you I almost responded in seriousness with recommendations from the game myself. :P
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Turin Turambar posted:I will never understand the 'open ended RPG' players. Because I have no interest in that type of experience, I guess. Yo what were the answers
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