Brute Squad posted:

but the books say that he was exiled by his people for being an imperial collaborator. now he's a clown in naboo.

so.

mando season 2 gonna end with ahmed best singing vesti la giubba and going out onto the streets of theed.

SlothfulCobra posted:

It's interesting how Finn as a character cares deeply about Rey, more than he ever does about anything else, as the one person he's willing to be altruistic for (especially when he sees how useless the nuRebels are), and then if you look at Rey's perspective, he's barely a factor in her life, none of his help is really necessary, she basically lives in different movies from him.

I don't think there's even the implication that they hang out much offscreen, the only thing that really links them together is the presence as main characters in a movie where they share a poster.

SlothfulCobra posted:

Well, ostensibly the throughline of the first movie was the Resistance risking their lives just to get the USB drive of where Luke was, and then Rey was the person they sent on that high-priority mission, so I assume that she had some kind of standing. Or they just kinda decided to abandon the thing they spent all last movie doing for no real reason because nobody at any point ever planned where the series would go.

Chewbacca is also there, but at no point does anything to imply that he has any duties beyond flying the ship.

Toph Bei Fong posted:

One of the things that people have a problem with in The Last Jedi is the timeframe. During the middle of a pitched chase, Poe sends out Rose and Finn to do Casino hijinks, and then they make it back to the fleet with only a couple hours having passed, the chase scene still in progress.

Legit criticism. It's a weird element of the movie. Hyperspace seems to be as fast as the plot needs it to be.

In Empire Strikes Back, we have a similar problem. Luke spends what looks like weeks or months training on Dagobah. Meanwhile, maybe a day or two have passed for Han, Leia, Chewie, and the droids in the asteroid field and on Cloud City. It's easily handwaved because Dagobah is a mystical, dreamlike place where lots of Force stuff is happening.

Fair point to bring up, and many have. Doesn't really detract from the movie. Empire is awesome.

Meanwhile, in Star Wars, Tarkin blows up Alderaan right before Luke and co arrive. It goes, Tarkin says Leia is going to be executed, and threatens to blow up Alderaan, Leia says the rebels are on Dantooine, Tarkin blows up Alderaan anyways. Cut to Luke training with the remote, Obi-Wan needs to sit down, Han says they'll be there shortly, Luke does the thing with the helmet that's got the lowered blast shield, and then Han says they've arrived. These scenes seem to be happening right at the same time. However, right after this scene, there's one of Tarkin being informed that their scout ships have returned from Dantooine, investigated a rebel base, and found that it was long abandoned. Tarkin then says to execute Leia immiedately. Have the scouts really gotten all the way to Dantooine, looked around, and radioed back in the, maybe five-ten minutes that have passed? There's no indication that Siward Cass or the scouts are lying.

Again, doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the movie. A minor squabble at best. Star Wars is a great movie, and I wouldn't have watched it so many times and wouldn't continue coming back to it if it wasn't. But the time passing does matter because we're ticking down the clock to Leia's execution.

So, why does the timeframe in TLJ bother folks so much, while in SW and ESB it doesn't?

muscles like this! posted:

Rise of Skywalker has exactly the same problem where at the beginning of the movie they say they only have so many hours until the new fleet of Star Destroyers launch. The big fight at the end is the fleet launching so everything that happens takes place over that stretch of time.

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

I don't really get the ANH/ESB criticisms on time. I don't get the sense that everything is happening in hours or days. We're checking in on the important bits, but there's probably whole days of sitting on the Falcon playing Star Chess while Leia notes the heights of the stormtroopers bringing her lunch. Same for ESB. That's how I've interpreted it since I was a kid, but I'm a weirdo so

SlothfulCobra posted:

But that's probably more a problem with the Force Awakens sticking in a teaser for a movie that wasn't written and didn't even have the vaguest of plot outlines planned out yet.

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2442600/mark-hamill-says-luke-skywalker-even-changed-between-the-force-awakens-and-the-last-jedi posted:

J.J. said, 'Oh and by the way I'll probably put in a couple of floating boulders to show the Force emanating from you, as strong as it is.' So I'm thinking for VIII, I'm going to have Force Lightning coming out of every orifice of my body. You know, lifting an eyebrow and toppling AT-ATs like dominoes. That would have been fun to be that powerful! Plus, I wouldn't have to do much. They wouldn't have to teach me choreography to do lightsaber duels. I'd just have to do this [points] and let the special effects guy do everything.

https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-features/mark-hamill-goes-deep-on-life-as-luke-skywalker-from-star-wars-to-last-jedi-128952/ posted:

Luke is much smarter than I am. But I love the idea… I’d forgotten how there’s so many times where they would set it up that whatever was important was right in front of Luke. He meets Obi Wan and doesn’t get it. He meets Yoda, he doesn’t get it. He’s not real organized in terms of how he’s going to get the Princess off the Death Star. That’s one of things that jumped out at me when I first read the very first Star Wars was that it was so relatable when you got to the Princess. “You came in that?!” We risked our lives, and she’s complaining about the transportation. That’s so relatable. If you had a teenage sister that made your father drop them off a block away from school so they wouldn’t see the piece of crap car that you drove, that’s so relatable! It’s so human. You’re in this fantasy world, fighting and all this stuff, and she says something like that. That’s what really got me, is how human and relatable the humor was there. And the fact that she just effortlessly said, “You call this a plan?” Grabs our gun and really takes charge. That’s effortless feminism. It’s not like, “Oh, I’m a damsel in distress, please save me.” That’s before I ever met Carrie or anybody. Just reading that screenplay, I thought, “Oh my god, this is so funny.”

And I’m the straight man to these robots. Luke has much less depth than these robots. Less personality. Robots arguing over whose fault it is and who’s going to get blamed? I just thought it was delightful. When I screen tested, I said, “Is this like we’re sending it up and it’s fun?” George would say, “Let’s just try one and we’ll talk about it later.” Which later I realized is a standard response.”Let’s just do it and we’ll talk about it later.” Translation: “Let’s just do it and never, ever talk about it later.” And then Harrison was there and I got him aside. He was in American Graffiti, so he could tell me if this is a Mel Brooks thing. “Who talks like this? It’s goofy.”

Plus, since Harrison was a traditional leading man, and I hadn’t read the screenplay, I thought he was the star of the film, and that I was Bucky to his Captain America, that I was the kid sidekick. Because in the screen test that we did, I was kind of annoying and he was so cool. But I’ll never forget, I remember the chair I was sitting in, the one-bedroom apartment looking out at the beach looking at the sundown of the ocean, and I couldn’t believe it. I was thrown for a minute. I thought, “Wait a minute.” Because on the front page, it said “The Adventures of Luke Starkiller.” [Lucas soon changed the last name.] I said, “Wait a second. I thought I was Luke. Oh, Harrison must have been Luke.” I started reading it and then I got to where they’re describing me and I said, “Wait a second. I’m Luke!” I didn’t think I was the star of the movie, I thought it was just from my point of view.

Toph Bei Fong posted:

This is the correct answer. I've seen Star Wars probably 200 times since I was a kid, and last night's watch is the first time I ever noticed the Falcon trip taking only a couple hours(?) according to a stricter read of the scenes.


It's interesting reading interviews with Mark Hamill about this.


Which, honestly, would have been a little weird. Rey walks up, and Luke just starts tossing boulders around? I mean, great visual, but kinda also not Star Wars. We get a much more Yoda style introduction to him, and I think it works better.

Sir DonkeyPunch posted:

What was going to be JJ's excuse for why Luke was still doing Force poo poo, but didn't seem to care about the First Order or his trainee out there blowing up systems?

Toph Bei Fong posted:

"And uh, hey hey hey! Looks who's back! It's Lobot! You remember Lobot, right?"

AdmiralViscen posted:

TLJ specifically contrives a scenario where the Fleet has no hyperdrive, and has to travel to another system at much slower sub-light speeds, to give Rey an excuse to spend weeks/months with Luke.

Now, in reality sub-light speeds would never get you anywhere. But the movie does make a point of saying that this trip is going to take way longer than what we saw in the previous movie.

OctoberCountry posted:

SlothfulCobra posted:

I guess theoretically time itself is relative and moves at different speeds throughout the galaxy, but that's not really the intention of the movies.

I think they're all within some tolerance of eachother, but what makes it feel more acceptable in Empire Strikes Back is that Han and Leia go through a complex journey with changes of setting, zooming around the Star Destroyers, going through the asteroids, parking and relaxing for a bit only to escape from the space slug, and making their way to the apparent safety of Cloud City. That feels like a lot has happened, so it's fine for Luke to go through his montage and act like he's on Dagobah for at least a week. That's different from how pretty explicitly nothing is changing and no progress is being made in the low-speed chase. They're not going on a journey, they're barely even trying to create the aesthetic appearance of motion through space. It'd probably flow better if they were holed up in a bunker getting shelled for weeks rather than being chased through space for hours.

And in addition to that, The Last Jedi doesn't really ask for the audience to believe that the characters are existing in the same timeframe at the beginning of the movie; it just expects them to accept it like two thirds of the way through. Empire Strikes Back starts with an event that united the two separate groups of characters, but Last Jedi never really did. And it technically has four separate groups of characters doing their own things, so it set out more work for itself and more ways that the audience's understanding of the flow could break from the movie.

I think a larger time discrepancy is that Rey's storyline clearly starts right after the last movie left off, whereas in the other side of the movie the first order has totally conquered the galaxy (although maybe that's just implying that they had already conquered most of the galaxy in the other movie? It kinda ambiguous there) and Leia has formed and deployed a whole new fleet of ships for Poe to get annihilated, and they don't have whatever planet they were based on in the last movie. But that's probably more a problem with the Force Awakens sticking in a teaser for a movie that wasn't written and didn't even have the vaguest of plot outlines planned out yet.

OctoberCountry posted:

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

I don't really get the ANH/ESB criticisms on time. I don't get the sense that everything is happening in hours or days. We're checking in on the important bits, but there's probably whole days of sitting on the Falcon playing Star Chess while Leia notes the heights of the stormtroopers bringing her lunch. Same for ESB. That's how I've interpreted it since I was a kid, but I'm a weirdo so

https://film.avclub.com/patty-jenkins-to-become-the-first-woman-to-direct-a-sta-1845855918 posted:

The Disney Investor Conference soldiers on with more major news, including the announcement that Patty Jenkins will directing a new Star Wars film, Rogue Squadron.

Currently scheduled to release on Christmas 2023, the Wonder Woman director will helm a new Lucasfilm story that follows that different pilots across Star Wars universe. Jenkins released a brief video detailing her excitement for the new story, which ends with her donning the iconic pilot uniform and helmet.

As Variety notes, this new project make Jenkins the first woman to direct a Star Wars film. This is the second time she has managed such a record-setting feat, as she was also the first woman to direct a movie with a budget over $100 million. Women have previous been part of the directing team, which is the case for Victoria Mahoney, who was the second unit director on The Rise Of Skywalker. Deborah Chow and Bryce Dallas Howard have also directed episodes of The Mandalorian for Disney+.

This development arrived with deluge of new Star Wars-related news, including a new Lando-centered limited event directed by Justin Simien and two Mandalorian spin-offs. Disney announced that there would be 10 new Star Wars projects in total over the course of the next few years. Disney also released the trailer for Star Wars: Bad Batch, an animated look at the Clone troopers.

Toph Bei Fong posted:

One of the things that people have a problem with in The Last Jedi is the timeframe. During the middle of a pitched chase, Poe sends out Rose and Finn to do Casino hijinks, and then they make it back to the fleet with only a couple hours having passed, the chase scene still in progress.

Legit criticism. It's a weird element of the movie. Hyperspace seems to be as fast as the plot needs it to be.

In Empire Strikes Back, we have a similar problem. Luke spends what looks like weeks or months training on Dagobah. Meanwhile, maybe a day or two have passed for Han, Leia, Chewie, and the droids in the asteroid field and on Cloud City. It's easily handwaved because Dagobah is a mystical, dreamlike place where lots of Force stuff is happening.

Fair point to bring up, and many have. Doesn't really detract from the movie. Empire is awesome.

Meanwhile, in Star Wars, Tarkin blows up Alderaan right before Luke and co arrive. It goes, Tarkin says Leia is going to be executed, and threatens to blow up Alderaan, Leia says the rebels are on Dantooine, Tarkin blows up Alderaan anyways. Cut to Luke training with the remote, Obi-Wan needs to sit down, Han says they'll be there shortly, Luke does the thing with the helmet that's got the lowered blast shield, and then Han says they've arrived. These scenes seem to be happening right at the same time. However, right after this scene, there's one of Tarkin being informed that their scout ships have returned from Dantooine, investigated a rebel base, and found that it was long abandoned. Tarkin then says to execute Leia immiedately. Have the scouts really gotten all the way to Dantooine, looked around, and radioed back in the, maybe five-ten minutes that have passed? There's no indication that Siward Cass or the scouts are lying.

Again, doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the movie. A minor squabble at best. Star Wars is a great movie, and I wouldn't have watched it so many times and wouldn't continue coming back to it if it wasn't. But the time passing does matter because we're ticking down the clock to Leia's execution.

So, why does the timeframe in TLJ bother folks so much, while in SW and ESB it doesn't?

Loveshaft posted:

I can’t keep track of how many Star Wars media Disney has in development anymore.

Comstar posted:

10. There are 10 Star Wars TV series coming. I lost track of the movies.

Angry Salami posted:

The problem with TLJ isn't the timeline, it's that just by existing, the casino plot completely undermines the chase plot.

"We can't go to another star system because the First Order is tracking us!"
"I have a solution - I'll go to another star system to hire a guy to shut down their tracking!"
"Brilliant!"

You can't build a tense siege story and also have characters blithely wander off to go elsewhere for half the movie. If they can go to Casino planet to waste time, why can't everyone go there? Why can't Finn and Rose go to the outer rim to call for help if they can leave so easily?

Woebin posted:

My understanding was that only the big ships were tracked. The sequels have lots of problems but this doesn't strike me as one of them at all.

nine-gear crow posted:

So that's what? Mando, Andor, Rangers of the Republic, Obi-Wan, Bad Batch, and Ahsoka. So depending how you count Mando, that leaves 4 maybe 5 chances left that one of the is Shadows of the Empire...