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https://twitter.com/EW/status/1329087004210958350 good news, no the Kid
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:https://twitter.com/EW/status/1329087004210958350 they couldn't do better than Ezra? ill see myself out i have no idea who this actor is, but im old enough to make a "better than ezra" joke in 2020 so it ain't on him
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Nov 22, 2020 07:08
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You know I honestly think King books aren't for younger people and not because of the horror or the violence but because of his views on fat people and sex. Also falsely presenting the career of "writer" as something you can pay your bills with.
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Nov 27, 2020 03:33
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:You know I honestly think King books aren't for younger people and not because of the horror or the violence but because of his views on fat people and sex. Also falsely presenting the career of "writer" as something you can pay your bills with. It’s never been easier to live off of writing alone tho, thanks to digital self publishing.
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Nov 27, 2020 04:13
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Dissapointed Owl posted:It’s never been easier to live off of writing alone tho, thanks to digital self publishing. the money went out of self-publishing years ago, now it's just as impenetrable as trad publishing and arguably far more miserable to work in
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Nov 27, 2020 06:33
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quote:"Having a nonlinear narrative differentiates us from the original miniseries, which has the same kind of linear narrative as the book, but we when first were sitting down to lay all this out, it certainly felt to me that everyone has seen Contagion and Outbreak -- and I love those movies -- did we want people to sit through three episodes of the world dying before we got to the meat of our story?" Cavell asked. ...I mean, yes? That was a third of the book and I loving loved it?
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Dec 9, 2020 22:42
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:...I mean, yes? That was a third of the book and I loving loved it? Seriously, the plague part was the best part of the stand.
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Dec 10, 2020 01:04
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Seriously, the plague part was the best part of the stand. It wasn't really made clear but it may have been solely an American thing. Everyone else just cut the transatlantic cables and said gently caress 'em. Someone else will probably clarify this but I recently listened to the audiobook (March or April I think right as Covid was becoming a reality)
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Dec 10, 2020 01:37
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Fake edit: but I'm pretty sure they got it to Russia and then all over Asia and Europe and well everywhere but I'm not sure I'm not confusing Ed Harris' scenes in the tv movie with the actual book.
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Dec 10, 2020 01:39
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Yeah, (edit: Starkey) think tells somebody 'Rome Falls' which was code for 'gently caress the world, open your global vials, we can't let anyone find out it was America'.
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Dec 10, 2020 01:55
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Here's the relevant passages:quote:“We have to assume the worst,” Starkey said, and a queer grin came over his face. It lifted his upper lip and made it wrinkle like the snout of a dog protecting a farmyard. He pointed a finger at the sheets of yellow flimsy on the table. “It’s out of control now. It’s popped up in Oregon, Nebraska, Louisiana, Florida. Tentative cases in Mexico and Chile. When we lost Atlanta, we lost the three men best equipped to deal with the problem. We’re getting exactly nowhere with Mr. Stuart ‘Prince’ Redman. Did you know they actually injected him with the Blue virus? He thought it was a sedative. He killed it, and no one has the slightest idea how. If we had six weeks, we might be able to turn the trick. But we don’t. The flu story is the best one, but it is imperative—imperative— that the other side never sees this as an artificial situation created in America. It might give them ideas.
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Dec 10, 2020 02:47
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The part where Starkey starts talking about how they salvaged what they could and that it was ‘enough’ threw me for a loop since it was obviously completely the opposite. I don’t think my 12 year old mind really comprehended how batshit crazy he was at that point. Also looking up that chapter in my 1st edition they refer to the President as “the old Georgia Giant” and it takes place (I think) in 1980 so...Jimmy Carter killed us all? Not that Carter was a giant but still, the character had to be inspired by the then President.
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Dec 10, 2020 03:53
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:...I mean, yes? That was a third of the book and I loving loved it? It says a lot about modern TV writing that they thought their only options were between dragging the start out for 3 episodes or getting non-linear with it. Like, the Miniseries basically kicks off with it and the book gets into it pretty quickly too. I get different times and all that but don't get gimmicky with your storytelling when there's no need for it because it just distances the viewer.
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Dec 12, 2020 12:25
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And off the back of my last post... https://twitter.com/sepinwall/status/1338840858175606785?s=19
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Dec 15, 2020 14:50
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Starting in the middle and doing flashbacks might work okay. Everyone knows the story, so you skip the risk of people comparing you and the book as 1:1 analogues. It also allows you to speed things along. There's a lot of slow time in the first half of the book (cough...FRAAANNY...ahem..NICK...) Everyone loves the plague part, but now half your episodes can have plague parts, just in the form of flashbacks. I'd rather have that than see them speedrun through character introductions because it's a 1000 page book full of characters. I really don't need to see Franny's family, but in a linear timeline you can't leave them out. I'm also trying to rationalize because WTF they're skimping on the plague parts!?!
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Dec 15, 2020 16:33
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:You know I honestly think King books aren't for younger people and not because of the horror or the violence but because of his views on fat people and sex. Also falsely presenting the career of "writer" as something you can pay your bills with. Were they ever for younger people? He made his bones on being the guy who got his books banned from high school libraries. I dont know where he sits now in youth pop culture, but back when I was younger it seemed like older kids read him for the same reason they bought Antichrist Superstar or snuck in to Friday the 13th (that is, minor and normal teenage rebellion).
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Dec 15, 2020 16:56
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Yeah I had multiple teachers get mad at me for reading SK specifically during "free reading" time or whatever. I was admonished not to show the books to the other students.
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Dec 15, 2020 17:42
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Exact same here, except it was 6th grade and (appropriately enough, I guess) The Stand. That was the year before the 94 miniseries and I remember being totally hyped for it. Not to ramble on about it too much, but I think now that reading Stephen King was probably my first experience of adult-level thinking. All the horror stuff aside, King writes characters that are real in a way that most other writers can't, because he goes down into some uncomfortable places, like Larry's relationship with his mother and the parallel relationship with Rita (not Oedipal, exactly, but both of them based in guilt and comfort), or Jack's alcoholism and self-loathing in The Shining. His characterization is great in his ensemble books like the Tommyknockers or Under the Dome, but it's loving incredible in his deep-dives like The Shining or Misery. The big caveat here of course is that every time I just wrote character/characterization, you probably prefaced it with 'white male alcoholic artist with problems' and you'd be exactly right. Everything else is hit or miss (and when he misses, like Detta, holy lol). But he was good enough to make a hell of a living at it, and I'm glad he ended up as a (mostly) well respected author in his twilight. He deserves it. Eason the Fifth fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Dec 15, 2020 |
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Dec 15, 2020 18:23
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I remember reading Pet Sematary in the sixth grade and my teacher actually grabbed the book out of my hands and started pointing at random words she felt I wouldn’t know to...try and prove I couldn’t read past my grade level?
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Dec 15, 2020 18:43
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Krispy Wafer posted:Starting in the middle and doing flashbacks might work okay. As pointed out, it's kind of asking a lot for people to get why sending Tom Cullen to Vegas as a spy is kind of a big deal when it's the first time you ever see him. Looking forward to the inevitable fan edit that puts things back in proper order. Lester Shy posted:Yeah I had multiple teachers get mad at me for reading SK specifically during "free reading" time or whatever. I was admonished not to show the books to the other students. My 8th grade midterm book report was on The Stand. I actually got a pretty decent grade on it.
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Dec 16, 2020 07:21
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AV Club has a review up for The Stand and they say it's pretty decent. https://tv.avclub.com/the-stand-is-an-admirably-bold-often-messy-adaptation-1845882256
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Dec 16, 2020 11:55
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I don't trust Alan Sepinwall's opinion on basically anything, so I'm more inclined to trust the AV Club.
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Dec 17, 2020 06:24
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The review calling Harold a proto-incel is very apt. I'm looking forward to it. The first half of the Stand is the best part for me, so getting a little bit every episode will keep me more involved over the run of the show.
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Dec 17, 2020 11:34
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Gravity Cant Apple posted:I don't trust Alan Sepinwall's opinion on basically anything, so I'm more inclined to trust the AV Club. Good chances they are both right (the AV Club despite its praise gave a B-). While I haven't seen everything Josh Boone has done, so far his output doesn't look that impressive at all. I feel like my love of the source material will make this a positive experience in the end, but if it was some random book I never heard of, no way I would watch this based on the reviews and trailers. Also now a days Sepinwall seems to be more correct when he he is praising a show, but out of touch when he is negative on a show. While this is not 100% of course, but he is for sure not the go to critic of prestige TV like he was 10 years ago. Still I was happy to see he put We Are Who We Are in his top 10 this year
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Dec 17, 2020 13:43
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Yeah I am in the same boat, I think this looks mediocre and will be mediocre, but I love The Stand so I'm going to watch it all anyway.
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Dec 17, 2020 15:15
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BiggerBoat posted:AV Club has a review up for The Stand and they say it's pretty decent. It's okay for episode 1 thus far...but I can't imagine anyone who hasn't read the book or doesn't remember the miniseries very well having any loving clue what's going on. If they gently caress up the Lincoln Tunnel the way they hosed up Stu's escape from Stovington/Atlanta (the 1994 miniseries handled it better for god's sake) I'm gonna be real annoyed on the internet about it. (Spoiler probably unnecessary, but just in case someone doesn't wanna know a plot point they hosed up) That said, Harold may not be fat and pimply, but they sure as gently caress nailed his oily unpleasantness.
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Dec 17, 2020 19:10
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Rev. Bleech_ posted:It's okay for episode 1 thus far...but I can't imagine anyone who hasn't read the book or doesn't remember the miniseries very well having any loving clue what's going on. If they gently caress up the Lincoln Tunnel the way they hosed up Stu's escape from Stovington/Atlanta (the 1994 miniseries handled it better for god's sake) I'm gonna be real annoyed on the internet about it. (Spoiler probably unnecessary, but just in case someone doesn't wanna know a plot point they hosed up) Oh, god, yes. They nailed the Harold casting. The actor will have these tiny flashes of contempt for other people in the middle of being nice guy that was probably the best part of the 1st episode.
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Dec 17, 2020 23:05
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I tried the first episode, and I really hope someone online unravels the constant flashbacks and makes a chronological version once it is all out. Because I don't think I want to watch it since it is like I'm reading 10 random pages from the book, flipping to a different chapter and reading 10 more. The best part of The Stand is the plague, and to just (mostly) skip over it is weird. Casting is good so far, Harold is perfectly creepy.
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Dec 17, 2020 23:40
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joepinetree posted:Oh, god, yes. They nailed the Harold casting. The actor will have these tiny flashes of contempt for other people in the middle of being nice guy that was probably the best part of the 1st episode. Just imagine if they had let movie Hockstetter be book Hockstetter how good he would have been
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Dec 18, 2020 01:55
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Dudes got range. Creepy kid from the It movie, creepy kid from Locke and Key and now a creepy kid in the Stand!
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Dec 18, 2020 02:08
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It’s been awhile since I watched CBS All Access. Is there seriously no way to create a list of your favorite shows? This is the worst streaming service. “Oh you like Gunsmoke, good news, CBS All Access has 2 of the 20+ seasons.” The fact they bothered to include all 11 seasons of Cheers was a delightful surprise. Also I found out my wife’s new team member in Maine is King’s niece which is kind of cool. Krispy Wafer fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Dec 18, 2020 |
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Dec 18, 2020 04:23
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I hate the time jumping stuff but otherwise thought the first episode was fine. As mentioned, Teague as Harold is excellent casting, he has those moments where the mask slips a little bit and he plays them just right. More plague please.
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Dec 18, 2020 04:28
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Dec 18, 2020 05:30
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I was all ready to hate this adaptation because I hate new things and things that are different, but I liked the first episode. The time skipping didn't bother me but I see how it could be confusing to someone watching who doesn't already know the story. I liked the scene where Campion sounds the alarm and then escapes the lockdown
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Dec 18, 2020 10:55
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I like it. It's been like a decade since I read the book, so while I'm still very familiar with the story the time jumps are a bit jarring at times, but so I've enjoyed the first episode and I'm looking forward to more. It's not going to be the best show ever or anything but it'll be entertaining enough not to be a disappointment at all.
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Dec 18, 2020 13:15
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The foot blocking the door was a nice touch. I liked the book’s explanation, but that wouldn’t have translated. Also Billy Joel music is having a moment these days. You had the ‘You’re Only Human’ in The Boys, ‘Uptown Girl’ in Preacher, and now ‘The Stranger’.
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Dec 18, 2020 17:59
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Seems to be a well made show and I'll probably keep watching it. I re-read the Stand a few yars ago and I was baffled by all the storylines that seemed to have no impact on anything. Things happened and they were weird or creepy and so on but if they hadn't happened the story would still have ended the exact same way.
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Dec 19, 2020 02:34
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Owling Howl posted:Things happened and they were weird or creepy and so on but if they hadn't happened the story would still have ended the exact same way. That's not a bad general criticism of the guy's longer novels, really. You can cut a ton of subplots out that don't affect the story (but do rob it of things like thematic resonance). Like, I wonder if the Kid will be in this take of the miniseries. The cut copy of the book didn't have him and wasn't any worse for it. edit - missed the post at the top of the page. Eason the Fifth fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Dec 19, 2020 |
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Owling Howl posted:Seems to be a well made show and I'll probably keep watching it. Like what?
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I liked the first episode, although I would have preferred a more linear start. I really didn’t like the time compression where it’s 3 days after Stu finds Champion, but apparently Captain Trips is already raging in Maine. We’ve still got the Larry Underwood/New York storyline to look forward to at least.
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