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am I being punked right now? Outside of a single good year, Josh Bell is extremely meh
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Dec 24, 2020 21:14
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Bell was a 2nd round pick lmao They got 4 years from him Jesus Christ
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Dec 24, 2020 21:15
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Like, Josh Bell is a bad defensive first basemen who has one good outliar year and was complete dogshit last year. What do you expect people to trade for him
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Dec 24, 2020 21:17
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I think it's poor form to make sweeping claims about a player in their prime having a bad 2020 season when said season was 60 games long amid a pandemic
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Dec 24, 2020 21:20
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Pirates have an abundance of 140 ops+ players to replace him with
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Dec 24, 2020 21:23
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Paul Zuvella posted:Like, Josh Bell is a bad defensive first basemen who has one good outliar year and was complete dogshit last year. What do you expect people to trade for him lmao at taking anything a player did in 2020 into consideration. It's basically 1/3rd of a regular season's worth of PA's, means absolutely nothing. The Nats just got two years of a 28 year old who seemed to finally put it together in 2019 for what is little more than players to be named later. Also just as an aside, it's crazy to me that people think Bell is a bust because he wasn't immediately a breakout player at age 23, and it took him until age 26 to figure things out. Not everybody is Juan Soto: some guys actually take a couple years to figure it out at the MLB level when they debut so young.
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Dec 24, 2020 21:27
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Shocked he didn’t go to an AL team tbh, genuinely the worst defensive player I’ve seen in MLB
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Dec 24, 2020 21:28
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If it was Yean and another high upside guy I could understand it, but Crowe is major league filler and sucks. What a terrible move
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Dec 24, 2020 21:30
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Hoyer made some comments a week or so ago that NL execs are operating under the assumption there will be a universal DH in 2021, regardless of the current uncertainty. 
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Dec 24, 2020 21:31
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In their wisdom the Pirates have traded Bell when his value is at rock bottom, great work all around
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Dec 24, 2020 21:51
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Paul Zuvella posted:am I being punked right now? Outside of a single good year, Josh Bell is extremely meh Almost all of his production in his good year was in the first two months too. There is some obvious upside but he's probably much closer to a 110 ops+ hitter than a 140 one. But 110 ops+ would probably make him 3rd best hitter on the Nats right now anyway lol.
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Dec 24, 2020 22:01
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Paul Zuvella posted:Like, Josh Bell is a bad defensive first basemen who has one good outliar year and was complete dogshit last year. What do you expect people to trade for him Yeah this - and it was really only a good half year, he was pretty mediocre in the 2nd half of 2019 too. I still don't think this is a good return for Pittsburgh though; Crowe looks like a AAAA guy at best.
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Dec 24, 2020 22:09
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have any of you considered that bell is cool
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Dec 24, 2020 22:10
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bell is cool and I hope his good half in 2019 is more indicative of the rest of his career than the second half of it or 2020. but at the same time, I'm not super shocked that he was traded for what appear to be magic beans
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Dec 24, 2020 22:11
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It's kinda jarring to see goons overhype Josh Bell so much. Look at the dude's career WAR - he should probably be a DH at this point.
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Dec 24, 2020 22:29
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I remember when “add up the wars” was what we said to make fun of people
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Dec 24, 2020 22:32
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MLB locked in a game of chicken where nobody wants good players because they cost too much. Nobody wants mediocre players because they aren't good players. Nobody wants minor leaguers because you have to feed them. MLB is probably studying Blaseball and trying figure out how to sell jerseys and tickets to 'premium experiences' at the stadium without actually having a single player on payroll.
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Dec 24, 2020 22:33
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euphronius posted:I remember when “add up the wars” was what we said to make fun of people cool I'm glad SAS matured a little bit
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Dec 24, 2020 22:40
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Josh Bell is probably an ok-to-good player, but he was also cheap for two more years and the fans liked him and he was a cool dude. If you're gonna trade bell for nothing, just keep him and then let him walk in two years and let the fans have some dingers and fun dugout antics Thanks cooter and the shark, I'll hang up and listen
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Dec 24, 2020 22:49
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R.D. Mangles posted:have any of you considered that bell is cool Sorry I can't find COOL on bref
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Dec 24, 2020 22:53
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even in his bad 2020, josh bell was in the 87th percentile in exit velocity, the 69th percentile for hard hit %, 55th percentile barrel rate, 61st percentile walk rate. there's some cool stuff there and if you look at his career year by year, all of those numbers were relatively stable or slightly rising until 2020. his launch angle going 6.4 > 8.6 > 9.5 > 12.9 > 5.9 also suggests something funky went on in 2020. it sounds like a ton of hitters really struggled because it wasn't as easy?/wasn't at all possible? to head into the clubhouse and review video of your swing to make in-game adjustments; I remember seeing it most prominently in some "what went wrong with Christian Yelich" kind of stuff. pretty much every major leaguer had their daily routine thrown completely off course during the first of the plague seasons, and some folks I'm sure wore it harder than others. trading a dude at his absolute lowest value out of presumably financial anxiety is the most Pirates move possible I would say and I bet Bell looks cool as heck and mashes bunches of taters in DC
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Dec 24, 2020 22:56
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The Pirates are a cursed franchise so I fully expect this to blow up in their faces.
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Dec 24, 2020 23:10
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The value of 1B/DH guys on the market has been terrible for a while now. They probably weren't gonna get a good return for him at any time other than 2019, even if he played decently next year. I think its a little light for the Pirates, just not by that much. But this is one of those moves thats going to feel bad for Pirates fans pretty much no matter what.
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Dec 24, 2020 23:32
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achillesforever6 posted:Minecraft Bob Nutting off Mt. Washington modnote: There's been a forums-wide goal of discouraging posting about gratuitously killing people, even billionaire sports franchise owners. In general, the use of the 'in Minecraft' meme will probably be frowned upon.
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Dec 24, 2020 23:52
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Sydin posted:lmao at taking anything a player did in 2020 into consideration. It's basically 1/3rd of a regular season's worth of PA's, means absolutely nothing. The Nats just got two years of a 28 year old who seemed to finally put it together in 2019 for what is little more than players to be named later. No ones calling him a bust, but he is way closer to a replacement level player than people are acting. A DH who OPS+s 110 is just not that valuable
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Dec 25, 2020 00:12
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Who are the pirates replacing him with
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Dec 25, 2020 00:13
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euphronius posted:Who are the pirates replacing him with I dunno, some other dude who in on a rookie scale and also is barely above replacement level, probably.
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Dec 25, 2020 00:16
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He was really good last year and in his prime lol Oh well maybe I don’t think like an owner
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Dec 25, 2020 00:25
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I guess the Yankees wouldn't be able to get much more for Voit...
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Hand Knit posted:modnote: There's been a forums-wide goal of discouraging posting about gratuitously killing people, even billionaire sports franchise owners. In general, the use of the 'in Minecraft' meme will probably be frowned upon. being a pirates fan in minecraft e: the joke is that it's an act of self harm 
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Dec 25, 2020 00:33
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euphronius posted:He was really good last year and in his prime lol He was awful last year, actually. He was really good for like 2 and a half months 2 years ago but has been very bad since then. Luke Voit is better than Bell in almost every meaningful statistical way and no one would bat an eye if he was traded for magic beans Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Dec 25, 2020 |
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Dec 25, 2020 01:10
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Last year : 2019
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Dec 25, 2020 01:13
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why is the Minecraft mean even making the rounds again (note: I do know that the ultimate answer is "anti-Semitism", just wondering if there's an intermediate cause)
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Dec 25, 2020 01:17
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loving piece of poo poo franchise
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Dec 25, 2020 01:23
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elentar posted:why is the Minecraft mean even making the rounds again I know there was a lot of twitter joking about it because of how much trouble the elderly judge doing the Charlottesville case is having wrapping his head around internet slang for committing acts of violence on alt right message boards
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Dec 25, 2020 01:23
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I'm torn between wanting Josh Bell to absolutely mash to make this trade look as dumb as possible and not wanting the Nationals to be any good to raise the chances of the Braves winning the division again.
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Dec 25, 2020 01:26
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Hand Knit posted:modnote: There's been a forums-wide goal of discouraging posting about gratuitously killing people, even billionaire sports franchise owners. In general, the use of the 'in Minecraft' meme will probably be frowned upon.
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Dec 25, 2020 01:27
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The margin of error for 1B/DH is just crazy thin. If they aren't a consistently above average hitters then they have nothing to offer, so teams have started treating them as sort of fungible. I'm not sure how to fix that, even the expectation of universal dh doesn't seemed to have shifted teams thinking on it.
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Dec 25, 2020 01:32
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We can debate Josh Bell's Trade Value and stuff but it still sucks to lose a cool player like that because the owner is cheap. Sorry Pirates bros.
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Pirates GM said Joe Musgrove and Adam Frazier are on the block too. I get that it's a rebuild and all but good lord this team is gonna lose 100+ games next year and look especially awful doing it
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