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hot take: The 2016 Cubs championship was the result of an incredible confluence of good fortune and that core was never as long-term robust as people thought Here are the top 10 2016 Cubs by bWAR that year: Bryant (7.3) - MVP, career highs in bWAR, OPS+, HR Rizzo (5.8) - 3rd best season by OPS+, has not reached that level since. 2nd best by bWAR, career high HR Lester (5.5) - career best ERA, ERA+, CY finish (2nd), highest bWAR since 2009 Hendricks (5.2) - career best ERA, ERA+, bWAR, CY finish (3rd) Arrieta (4.5) - second best season of his career, nothing but downhill since Fowler (4.0) - career high bWAR (no other season over 2.6) & OPS+ Russell (3.7) - career high bWAR (no other season over 2.8) & OPS+ Zobrist (3.4) - basically a career-average year for him Baez (2.8) - one of the few to have multiple better seasons since 2016 Lackey (2.9) - the last productive season of his career They had 7 guys produce either a career-best or near-career best season all at the same time. Of these top ten, Baez is the only one who hasn't seen significant decline since 2016. And their farm system produced no one on this level since then either.
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euphronius posted:How many teams are actually trying to win Dodgers Padres Atlanta Phillies? Nats? Mets?
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Trout's contract says the Angels were trying recently, not sure if we're trying now
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bawfuls posted:hot take: The 2016 Cubs championship was the result of an incredible confluence of good fortune and that core was never as long-term robust as people thought Yeah at face value I'm kind of annoyed, but glancing at our recently-non-tendered large beef boy who wasted his peak value, I don't actually mind selling two guys on an upswing at this point Poque fucked around with this message at 02:24 on Dec 30, 2020 |
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They Royals brought Ervin Santana out of retirement. They are clearly looking to make a championship run. But seriously, even though they are bad, with signing Santana, Santana, and Minor, at least they are picking up players i lind of like for sentimental reasons. That's better than tanking with a bunch of nobodies.
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Poque posted:Yeah at face value I'm kind of annoyed, but glancing at our recently-non-tendered large beef boy who wasted his peak value, I don't actually mind selling two guys on an upswing at this point I get why it is happening, watching the Cubs this summer it was pretty obvious something like this was coming the prospects that where supposed to be the core never panned out. Happ is still a possibility but we have nothing left in the farm and no real pitching anymore besides Hendricks/Darvish. It just sucks to see your favourite players (Darvish) get shuffled off for an obvious salary dump and a handful of super young prospects who may never make it anywhere. Although reading the prospect analysis ChiTownEddie posted makes me feel a bit better as they were more bullish on some of the younger guys development this year that isn't reflected in their prospect rankings right now. It's just hard to get hyped for a tank, especially after losing Len Kasper to the White Sox and the move to Marquee just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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alpha_destroy posted:They Royals brought Ervin Santana out of retirement. They are clearly looking to make a championship run. Just need Butler and Gordon back
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that cubs core won over 90 games 4 years in a row but not every team can be the dodgers i guess
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Darude - Adam Sandstorm posted:Just need Butler and Gordon back gently caress it, why not? But seriously, if we get fans in the stands this year I hope they can bring Gordon in on a one day contract so he can at least get a real ovation.
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uggy posted:that cubs core won over 90 games 4 years in a row but not every team can be the dodgers i guess
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The Dodgers and the Cubs have won the same number of World Series this millennium.
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uggy posted:that cubs core won over 90 games 4 years in a row but not every team can be the dodgers i guess Legit, fans pray for this run
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bawfuls posted:
Look at this Eloy and Gleyber erasure.
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https://twitter.com/BauerOutage/status/1344126641241432065 LOL I guess he doesn't want a one year deal?
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General Bullshit posted:Look at this Eloy and Gleyber erasure.
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Twitter user “Feddie” has some thoughts on Mookie Betts: https://twitter.com/edwwater/status/1344077249465610241?s=21
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MrMojok posted:Twitter user “Feddie” has some thoughts on Mookie Betts:
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Padres twitter has been feeling themselves with these trades, ah the heady days of "winning the winter"
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MrMojok posted:Twitter user “Feddie” has some thoughts on Mookie Betts: "Not a good defensive player." Feddie Feeman is just upset his homer got robbed in the NLCS.
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not everyone can root for a superteam that chokes every year in the playoffs except in the asterisk plague year i guess
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i am sorry bawfuls but you have crossed the line and now my position is The Astros Did Nothing Wrong
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Playoffs in 5 of 6 years. A WS and two losses in the NLCS. Seems like a good run any Cubs fan would have taken a decade ago. Cubs offensive players were always overrated but their pitching was underrated. Didn't have a problem moving Darvish, but that haul is trash.
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no one enjoys a good dunk on the Cubs franchise as much as Cubs fansIntruder posted:Tonight we are all Cubsposters i'm sorry your owners are terrible and did a poor job maximizing their self-imposed window Cubs fans
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R.D. Mangles posted:i am sorry bawfuls but you have crossed the line and now my position is The Astros Did Nothing Wrong Mangles no
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On a lighter note, a fun way to look at "championship windows" or stretches of good teams is with yet another goofy points system from Bill James. (9 years ago he was still occasionally spitting out interesting thoughts about baseball in between weird spasms of hypercontrarian twitter trolling) By that accounting, this Cubs team peaked at 10 "dynasty points" after 2018, which ties them with the SuperBarrold Giants & mid-60's Cardinals. Other updated totals since that 2011 blog post that aren't on the leaderboard at the end: 2010-2014 Giants - 11 (impressively low total for a run with 3 titles) 2007-2011 Phillies - 15 2002-2018 Red Sox - 18 2000-2015 Cardinals - 24 2013-present Dodgers - 24 (23 if you don't give them credit for 100 win pace this year) 1994-present Yankees - 54 The top of the all time leaderboard is largely unsurprising code:bawfuls fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Dec 30, 2020 |
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Jays get close but lose out on top import talent, as is tradition. As is tradition.
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i can't believe i looked into that but they get -2 for 2019 and +2 for 2020 if you count prorated wins like you did later for the dodgers so it's a 6 year run that's at 10 which doesn't seem that bad considering most teams don't approach anything like that in a decade ya lol one of the best 50 dynasties ever if you go by his list and your additions
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General Bullshit posted:Yankees Aren't the Yankees letting their best hitter over the last two seasons leave over a small difference in contract demands e: I see Bauer is trending on twitter and he's asking for a higher AAV than Cole? 
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uggy posted:i can't believe i looked into that but
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just gotta make the playoffs once in the next 4 years and they'll be at 10 for 10 years which is a longer time period than a lot of teams on that list - obviously ya that would go against the hot take since it's a different core but i guess i think that core did a lot, it's hard to be that good for 4 straight years. the fact they won 90 games each year and only won the division twice shouldn't be held against them when the central was really top heavy those years. edit: cleveland is at 9 over the last 5 years but would be at 10 plus if their 93 wins in 2019 got them into the playoffs. they'd be at 11 if that had taken the division edit2: vv of course, just in context of the hot take at the top of the page i was commenting on how the long run wouldn't feel necessarily the same uggy fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Dec 30, 2020 |
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the longest runs all have lots of turnover by necessity, just look at those top three Yankee runs of 20+ years each
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11 dynasty points and 3 rings to 24 dynasty points and one asterisk title hell yeah baby
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The lowest possible dynasty points for 3-in-5 would be 9, so 11 is impressive imo. The lowest possible dynasty points for a stretch of any length with 3 titles would be 6 but that takes 7 years Giants also had a 14-year run of winning seasons from 1958-1971 which peaked at only 6 points somehow bawfuls fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Dec 30, 2020 |
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also fyi the cardinals and red sox totals are still present and running since they havne't gone to zero yet as somebody who doesn't count the prorated season that the dodgers had, the cardinals present total of 24 from 2000-2020 is actually second highest present cause the yankjees suck
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uggy posted:also fyi the cardinals and red sox totals are still present and running since they havne't gone to zero yet The Red Sox technically are still alive yes but to stay alive they must win 90 games or make the postseason in '21 so I'd put those odds at fairly low This does bring up the postseason accounting, IMO the "you made the postseason" point should only count if you make the Division series. The blog post was written before the WCG and the recent Yankees are an example of that game extending a streak that feels like it should be split in two. (They won 87 games and lost the WCG, with two sub-90 win, no-playoffs seasons before and 1 after that year.) bawfuls fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Dec 30, 2020 |
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the Mets have given out 2 of the 4 biggest FA contracts so far so I think it's fair to say they're trying to win
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Putting this in the Jesus Christ category https://twitter.com/jclarknbcs/status/1343937897267867648?s=21
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Who'd they get to replace Len? The guy who does all those monologues/racist rants for all the Sinclair stations? Sheesh this very obvious cash grab makes me mad.
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ZiPS projections are coming out. The Mariners are uh, not great: Basically it expects Kyle Lewis to come crashing down to earth after his ROTY season, Evan White not to improve, and basically our starters are at best #3 quality. Left field is woof.
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