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Ulf posted:Context: Microsoft has already confirmed next update for Windows 10 will automatically remove Flash Player. flash is dead. long live flash
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Ulf posted:Context: Microsoft has already confirmed next update for Windows 10 will automatically remove Flash Player.
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Dec 30, 2020 23:01
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mystes posted:How the gently caress are this many people still using flash? “still works, why spend money to fix it?” education is notoriously poorly funded in the us.
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Dec 30, 2020 23:04
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loving finally
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Dec 30, 2020 23:05
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The poor kids probably don't even have laptops so if their school district is using flash they're just being locked out of the content anyway.
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Dec 30, 2020 23:06
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It was great when computers always had old versions of the flash and java plugins with known security vulnerabilities installed and you couldn't even upgrade them unless you were an administrator.
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Dec 30, 2020 23:09
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as someone who does k-12 IT for a living pretty much no edtech software these days is running on flash. it's all html5, so either it's the old teacher paid for some licenses of some dumb website 25 years ago and never told sysadmins about it (in which case it didn't go through board approval and FERPA compliance evaluations so lol get owned when it dies), or they're having them play cool math games when they've got nothing else to do for the kids
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Dec 30, 2020 23:09
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which editors note, cool math games are neither cool or math related however they have ported most of it over to html5 so they live to survive another day (until we block it)
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Dec 30, 2020 23:11
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Also it looks like the version that's being uninstalled isn't even the sandboxed chrome version. It's been completely dangerous/insane to run the standalone plugin for like 10 years now.
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Dec 30, 2020 23:14
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mystes posted:Also it looks like the version that's being uninstalled isn't even the sandboxed chrome version. It's been completely dangerous/insane to run the standalone plugin for like 10 years now. no clue when google is gonna flip the feature flag that forces it off, i really hope it's just clock striking midnight
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Dec 30, 2020 23:15
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Buff Hardback posted:no clue when google is gonna flip the feature flag that forces it off, i really hope it's just clock striking midnight When someone actually remembered that someone needs to do that, they'll mention it to the PM, who will schedule a story for next quarter, which unceremoniously gets dumped into the "ice box" because they need to pivot to supporting whatever brain fart an SVP said they would be shipping next month without telling them first.
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Dec 30, 2020 23:20
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maybe they'll back out of it like they did with dropping H.264, because some people said mean things in blog comments
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Dec 30, 2020 23:24
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mystes posted:How the gently caress are this many people still using flash? it takes actual effort to replace, since you can't just dump the swf or fla into some tool to automatically convert it to something else so it's an uphill battle trying to get organizations to spend time or resources on replacing the flash stuff they've been using since 2005, especially when it's been running with no updates or active development for so long that the person who built it was fired ten years ago and the original assets used to build the thing are long lost
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Dec 30, 2020 23:32
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Buff Hardback posted:no clue when google is gonna flip the feature flag that forces it off, i really hope it's just clock striking midnight im pretty sure that happened with 87 which just hit stable a couple of weeks ago. if you have a stable version of chrome installed you can check by trying to go to chrome [://] flash or ctrl-f flash on chrome [://] version its definitely gone in chrome os beta 88
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Dec 30, 2020 23:39
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good thing my company is ahead of the curve; all our online traning programs run in shockwave
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Dec 31, 2020 00:17
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How can they just suddenly remove flash when they only announced the EOL years ago?!
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Dec 31, 2020 00:19
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The mental gymnastics humans will consent to to avoid admitting that they hosed up real bad is wild
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Dec 31, 2020 01:18
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I got asked to approve usage some weird vendor self packaged browser with an embedded flash player because "we need it to run the application used by internal audit". A solid lol from me on that one. I said "if the security guys OK it then fine but I'm putting that in writing so if this gets busted don't say I didn't warn you"
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Dec 31, 2020 01:33
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Buff Hardback posted:as someone who does k-12 IT for a living what school district is that cuz the one i grew up in is so chronically underfunded and backwards that poo poo doesn't get updated for decades hell when my mom retired from the school board they were still making the teachers input grades into an AS/400 via a terminal emulator, and that was like 5 years ago
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Dec 31, 2020 01:34
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they did somehow get some kinda deal that let them replace all the teacher and library computers in like 2006 for shiny new lenovo things, but in exchange for that the contract / state / something said they couldn't upgrade or replace those lenovos for nineteen loving years
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Dec 31, 2020 01:36
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Shame Boy posted:they did somehow get some kinda deal that let them replace all the teacher and library computers in like 2006 for shiny new lenovo things, but in exchange for that the contract / state / something said they couldn't upgrade or replace those lenovos for nineteen loving years hahahaha what the gently caress kind of deal is this!
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Dec 31, 2020 01:38
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Midjack posted:hahahaha what the gently caress kind of deal is this! i think it was a servicing company contract where like, they got the computers at a deep discount but in exchange they had to keep those computers and the servicing contractor for an impossibly long time so they more than made it up with guaranteed income. i might be remembering the details or exact length of time or something wrong but i'm certain that one of the results was "we will not be allowed to replace these computers for an absurd amount of time and by the time we can they'll basically be antiques" i'll ask my mom next time we talk cuz she also thought it was super bullshit at the time and would remember it better
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Dec 31, 2020 01:44
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Shame Boy posted:i think it was a servicing company contract where like, they got the computers at a deep discount but in exchange they had to keep those computers and the servicing contractor for an impossibly long time so they more than made it up with guaranteed income. i might be remembering the details or exact length of time or something wrong but i'm certain that one of the results was "we will not be allowed to replace these computers for an absurd amount of time and by the time we can they'll basically be antiques" you could get a better computer deal than that through loving rentacenter it is good and cool when school districts are basically doing IT based on the kind of contracts that let poors buy an iphone 12
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Dec 31, 2020 02:23
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surely by now someone has figured out how to get the flash plugin running in wasm, making it available in every modern browser for the foreseeable future
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Dec 31, 2020 03:09
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Soricidus posted:surely by now someone has figured out how to get the flash plugin running in wasm, making it available in every modern browser for the foreseeable future IIRC someone's actually trying to do this by just running a virtual machine running the flash version so if that counts maybe it will work. mystes fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Dec 31, 2020 |
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Dec 31, 2020 03:11
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someone cares http://blog.archive.org/2020/11/19/flash-animations-live-forever-at-the-internet-archive/
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ymgve posted:someone cares
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ymgve posted:someone cares  starts immediately in the comments
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https://twitter.com/__apf__/status/1344468677245108226
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do we have a brexit thread in yospos? i feel like this is going to be a deep vein to mine in future https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55475433 quote:References to decades-old computer software are included in the new Brexit agreement, including a description of Netscape Communicator and Mozilla Mail as being "modern" services.
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Dec 31, 2020 04:17
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no thatcher already ended all mining
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:I got asked to approve usage some weird vendor self packaged browser with an embedded flash player because "we need it to run the application used by internal audit". A solid lol from me on that one. this is exactly what avaya is doing for one of their call reporting tools... do you support a call center?
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senha
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~Coxy posted:senha senha balls? 
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Midjack posted:“still works, why spend money to fix it?” education is notoriously poorly funded in the us. lol yeah i remember education software being total dogshit back when i still worked for the school district there was this one text-to-speech program that insisted on having either local admin, or if you didn't want to give the user account admin, you could give the user a whole bunch of permissions including full control over HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT (???????) the state testing software was super dogshit 64.... mystes posted:It was great when computers always had old versions of the flash and java plugins with known security vulnerabilities installed and you couldn't even upgrade them unless you were an administrator. i remember having to make sure a specific version of the java plugin was installed so that the state testing software would work properly. like, this was new loving software! it was under active development!! but we had to make sure some busted-rear end old version of java was installed.
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Dec 31, 2020 08:05
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that's ancient history though. that poo poo was ten years ago. amazing to think it's been over ten years since i worked for the school district.
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Shame Boy posted:what school district is that cuz the one i grew up in is so chronically underfunded and backwards that poo poo doesn't get updated for decades oof. district i worked at moved off of their AS/400... in the late 2000s? bush might have still been in office. still remember installing those IBM terminal emulators though. but, that migration was driven in significant part by the fact that they were going in on the replacement system together with a bunch of other districts at the same time, under the umbrella of some regional entity that provided services to the school districts, so it wasn't any single district bearing the cost of procurement, implementation, training, etc. without that... i'm not gonna say for sure that they would still be using the AS/400, but it definitely would have come at least a few years later. interesting they're making the teachers wrangle those green-screen emulators though. i seem to recall our district would have secretaries and/or (in the case of the middle/high schools) counselors doing the formal grade entry. man, they could really fly through those character interface menus. we actually still had a rack full of old tape backups from the old AS/400 system, which might have been one of the early CISC models. they were a bunch of old personnel records that i think we were required by law to retain for ages and there was significant doubt as to whether we'd be able to actually fire up the old AS/400 and the cabinet-sized tape drive to pull data any more. we got a new IT director and he spent like a year or two trying to get approval to send the tapes off to be converted into a readable format or something. finally the administration said, hey, that's just a digital copy of the paper records we've got in the basement, right? just shred the tapes. so they got shredded. those paper copies? sat in an unlocked and unmonitored room, known to have flooded in the past, in the basement of a building which had been condemned following the 1993 earthquake and which the facilities manager had been repeatedly heard to say he wouldn't want to be in when the next earthquake hit.
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the department store I worked for in the mid 00s used some homebrew mainframe system got hella fast at the screens for inventory, timeslips, etc. still remember a bunch of them, like 393-25 was check out, 393-05 was change shelves for stock also touch typing EANs was ten times faster than using the garbage barcode readers for the sec gently caress, I "found" the screen for intra-dept orders, so I'd treat my coworkers w free pizza if the manager skipped out early
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Carthag Tuek posted:the department store I worked for in the mid 00s used some homebrew mainframe system blessed secfuck
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