Galewolf posted:

Piracy does not necessarily mean "get everything intact", they could be salvaging the remaining equipment or think that it is too dangerous to ride the transports and instead force the base for protection money.

Edit: If we are to theorycraft until it fits our narrative, that is.

Moola posted:

from my point of view it is the pirate victims who are evil

stephenthinkpad posted:

My Mando S2 review:

That Jurassic girl directed a pretty good episode; Robert Rodriguez's episode is very sloppy WTF. Dark Troops was lame.

I was very disappointed that behind the helmet Mando was the sexy Red Vipor, Mando should have been a completely hairless Max Lord.

I enjoyed the frog's eggs episode the most.

stephenthinkpad posted:

My Mando S2 review:

Robert Rodriguez's episode is very sloppy WTF

quote:

Robert Rodriguez directed The Mandalorian season 2, episode 6 as a last-minute replacement after the unnamed original director left the show.

Gripweed posted:

Quantum of Phallus posted:

I've never watched a Bill burr thing in my life except the mando and he was good in that

Quantum of Phallus posted:

I've never watched a Bill burr thing in my life except the mando and he was good in that

Quantum of Phallus posted:

I've never watched a Bill burr thing in my life except the mando and he was good in that

A HORNY SWEARENGEN posted:

White people tricking themselves into thinking Bill Burr is racist is funny af.

stephenthinkpad posted:

I was very disappointed that behind the helmet Mando was the sexy Red Vipor, Mando should have been a completely hairless Max Lord.

Gripweed posted:

We see the wreckage of their previous attacks. The transports are burned, not stripped. They are simply destroying Imperial supplies. And that shakedown thing is something you just made up. As you say, in order to make them pirates you have to "theorycraft" things which are not shown or even hinted at in the episode

Arcsquad12 posted:

The whole point of the Bill Burr episode is how morality is relative to everyday people and that large institutions like the Empire and Republic are interchangeable, but even then, the Empire is worse because you have to remind yourself theyre still space nazis. The whole episode was building up this uncomfortable idea that the Republic and Empire are moral equivalents, with scrappy imperials fighting crazy pirate attacks and living an underdog existence in an old base where they celebrate any small win they can get. You've got heroic tie fighter rescues and normal people just happy to see at least one truck survived and a sense of camaraderie rarely shown for the Empire. You start thinking hey, maybe these guys aren't so bad.

Then the show introduces the officer character and you snap out of it very fast because you realize that no, these people are still genocidal warmongers and they aren't a moral equivalent to the New Republic. Being human doesn't automatically absolve you for the horrendous things you do in the name of a cause.

Galewolf posted:

I was referring to your galaxy brain projection about the simple fact that they are pirates.

Arcsquad12 posted:

The whole point of the Bill Burr episode is how morality is relative to everyday people and that large institutions like the Empire and Republic are interchangeable, but even then, the Empire is worse because you have to remind yourself theyre still space nazis. The whole episode was building up this uncomfortable idea that the Republic and Empire are moral equivalents, with scrappy imperials fighting crazy pirate attacks and living an underdog existence in an old base where they celebrate any small win they can get. You've got heroic tie fighter rescues and normal people just happy to see at least one truck survived and a sense of camaraderie rarely shown for the Empire. You start thinking hey, maybe these guys aren't so bad.

Then the show introduces the officer character and you snap out of it very fast because you realize that no, these people are still genocidal warmongers and they aren't a moral equivalent to the New Republic. Being human doesn't automatically absolve you for the horrendous things you do in the name of a cause.

Arcsquad12 posted:

The whole point of the Bill Burr episode is how morality is relative to everyday people and that large institutions like the Empire and Republic are interchangeable, but even then, the Empire is worse because you have to remind yourself theyre still space nazis. The whole episode was building up this uncomfortable idea that the Republic and Empire are moral equivalents, with scrappy imperials fighting crazy pirate attacks and living an underdog existence in an old base where they celebrate any small win they can get. You've got heroic tie fighter rescues and normal people just happy to see at least one truck survived and a sense of camaraderie rarely shown for the Empire. You start thinking hey, maybe these guys aren't so bad.

Then the show introduces the officer character and you snap out of it very fast because you realize that no, these people are still genocidal warmongers and they aren't a moral equivalent to the New Republic. Being human doesn't automatically absolve you for the horrendous things you do in the name of a cause.

piratepilates posted:

gripweed you're a nice guy and good poster, we're all friends here, and yes I know what thread this is, but can we all for the love of god stop fighting about the dumb star wars show.

piratepilates posted:

gripweed you're a nice guy and good poster, we're all friends here, and yes I know what thread this is, but can we all for the love of god stop fighting about the dumb star wars show.

RickRogers posted:

If only someone had opinions on or even watched discovery, then they could be shat on

Arcsquad12 posted:

The whole point of the Bill Burr episode is how morality is relative to everyday people and that large institutions like the Empire and Republic are interchangeable, but even then, the Empire is worse because you have to remind yourself theyre still space nazis. The whole episode was building up this uncomfortable idea that the Republic and Empire are moral equivalents, with scrappy imperials fighting crazy pirate attacks and living an underdog existence in an old base where they celebrate any small win they can get. You've got heroic tie fighter rescues and normal people just happy to see at least one truck survived and a sense of camaraderie rarely shown for the Empire. You start thinking hey, maybe these guys aren't so bad.

Then the show introduces the officer character and you snap out of it very fast because you realize that no, these people are still genocidal warmongers and they aren't a moral equivalent to the New Republic. Being human doesn't automatically absolve you for the horrendous things you do in the name of a cause.

Lister posted:

I don't have anything else to fill my void of a life so I'm open to alternatives if you have suggestions.

piratepilates posted:

gripweed you're a nice guy and good poster, we're all friends here, and yes I know what thread this is, but can we all for the love of god stop fighting about the dumb star wars show.

piratepilates posted:

I watched one episode and didn't like it, the end.

Quantum of Phallus posted:

Sydney Bottocks posted:

How can you call them space pirates when there was not one space parrot or space eyepatch or one space "arr Jim lad" amongst them

Gripweed posted:

I don't think that was the intention. I think the point of the episode was to show how Bill Burr could've fought for the Empire and still be a good guy now. The cheering stormtroopers aren't "normal people", the townsfolk are normal people, and you see them look at them Empire with undisguised distaste. None of the Imperial forces even have faces, other than the moustache twirling officer. None of them even have distinct personalities. They're still the same faceless mooks whose lives have no value that they've been the entire series. At no point do the heroes have to shoot the specific stormtrooper who saved them from the "pirates", or anything like that.

You get a bit of Burr's backstory, where it's made clear that he was Imperial because that's the side he was born on. But then he saw that they were bad and left. It's a very simple moral setup. Burr was one of the faceless bad guys, at some point in the past off screen, but then he decided to stop being that and became an individual character.

I know you've watched Gundam, you know what that "there's decent people on both sides" looks like. The Bill Burr episode was no Time, Be Still!.

Sydney Bottocks posted:

How can you call them space pirates when there was not one space parrot or space eyepatch or one space "arr Jim lad" amongst them

Sydney Bottocks posted:

How can you call them space pirates when there was not one space parrot or space eyepatch or one space "arr Jim lad" amongst them

Arcsquad12 posted:

Burr didn't just see how bad they were he was directly affected by it when is COs burned a city down with his division still in it. It's not Time, Be Still! with the decent zeon troopers, that's not what I was getting at. What I was trying to point out is that the Empire is still made of people but they are awful people. Burr was trying to tell Mando everyone is the same to the little guy, same poo poo different leader, but he was trying to tell himself that more because its clear he had issues with what the Empire made him do and what they did to him. He wanted to tell himself that he wasn't a bad person for being an Imp, but in the end he couldn't keep up the lie.

That's what the episode was going for, building up a lie that the Empire and Republic are the same to the little people. The people at the base are still people but they're working for the Empire long after anyone who might have been "decent" left or died. You dragged Gundam into this, the remnants in Mando are basically the Delaz Fleet fanatics. Theyre certainly capable of being human but they're still loving nazis. The episode is a refutation of moral equivalency with nazis but it does toy with the idea of how someone can see fascists as "normal" by building up this bizarre reverse A New Hope celebration scene before you cut back to reality and realize "oh poo poo we're in a base of Stormtroopers, open fire!"

Galewolf posted:

Their skiffs didn't had sails, therefore cannot be pirates.