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NieR Occomata posted:Someone leaked the registration link to the general public so we got a bunch of randos who showed up demanding vaccines. Thank you for your service  In all seriousness though, I hope you were able to stick with it mentally, you're doing a good thing, and I hope you continue to bring funny stories. Vasukhani posted:sounds like you'll be throwing out a lot of vaccines. We aren't competent enough to do a tiered approach, we should just give up, a mass vacc as quick as possible. lmao this is such an awful idea
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NieR Occomata posted:I work at a COVID test site. Please tell me this is as comedic to me as it is to you same loving assholes yelling masks dont work are now the whiners lining up like "jesus christ give me the loving prick or get your manager"
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HelloSailorSign posted:Thank you for your service better than our rate so far of using 15% of doses lol
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It seems funny but it’s very exhausting telling people no and them throwing a tantrum like a 5 year old. Thanks buddy I already got one of those to listen to. Retail has poisoned a lot of (especially older) people’s minds. As a former retail employee, management will bend over backwards for a customer so they don’t have to listen to them.
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Jan 5, 2021 06:52
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It's not surprising in the least. America has always been a land of "gently caress you, got mine," but social media has metastasized the cancer further because now people get to brag much more easily about how much more special they are because THEY got something YOU can't.
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Jan 5, 2021 06:54
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NieR Occomata posted:I work at a COVID test site. Just keep a bunch of saline shots on hand to give to these people. Tell them they’re getting the special vaccine because they’re clearly important people, and only need a single dose because it’s better than the regular vaccine the regular folk are getting.
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HelloSailorSign posted:lmao this is such an awful idea We're literally throwing doses in the garbage right now because we're being so loving precious about only the right people getting vaccinated.
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gay picnic defence posted:Just keep a bunch of saline shots on hand to give to these people. Tell them they’re getting the special vaccine because they’re clearly important people, and only need a single dose because it’s better than the regular vaccine the regular folk are getting. I know/HOPE you're kidding, but the same people who will throw tantrums in a pharmacy will invariably be the types who immediately go "back to their normal routine" once they think they're vaccinated (just the once, not even the full dose nor waiting for it to take full effect) and safe and become massive superspreaders. I mean, that's a Venn diagram with two perfectly lined up circles. "Don't worry, I got my shot" is going to be the new "do I *look* like I've got AIDS?"
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Jan 5, 2021 06:57
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The optimum distribution strategy isn't to means test the vaccine, it's the AC-130 gunship scene from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare except with shots. Just vaccinate everyone who doesn't run fast enough.
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Y'all do know that not everywhere is having the same distribution problems right
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Oracle posted:No, Hawaii (and other islands) haven’t eradicated Covid because of lack of political will (or freedom) to do so either, so even with British being disqualified from island status on the Chunnel technicality it’s still a bullshit excuse for political failure to make hard choices in the west. One of the interesting things that has come up in Australia is a few epidemiologists suggesting who the first recipients of the vaccine should be here: not healthcare workers, or nursing home residents, or the elderly in general, but rather the pilots and flight attendants and hotel workers and security guards who form the ring of protection in our quarantine system. Because that's where it keeps leaking out from.
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freebooter posted:One of the interesting things that has come up in Australia is a few epidemiologists suggesting who the first recipients of the vaccine should be here: not healthcare workers, or nursing home residents, or the elderly in general, but rather the pilots and flight attendants and hotel workers and security guards who form the ring of protection in our quarantine system. Because that's where it keeps leaking out from. Ring vaccination is an excellent strategy if you are lucky enough / early enough to be able to implement it.
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Jan 5, 2021 09:31
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As the Guardian op-ed I posted last page said: luck has nothing to do with it. edit - that comes off as smug which isn't what I mean. I just feel like it's really important to refute the notion (which goes as an unprovoked truth in America and much of Europe) that there was never anything that could be done about COVID except to mitigate the damage. That was never true; it was just what your governments chose to do. It was a choice. Never forgive them for it. freebooter fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Jan 5, 2021 |
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Jan 5, 2021 09:37
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freebooter posted:One of the interesting things that has come up in Australia is a few epidemiologists suggesting who the first recipients of the vaccine should be here: not healthcare workers, or nursing home residents, or the elderly in general, but rather the pilots and flight attendants and hotel workers and security guards who form the ring of protection in our quarantine system. Because that's where it keeps leaking out from. As a pilot I agree. 
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Jan 5, 2021 09:38
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Are there any precedents (of any kind) for this type of tiered rollout applied to large populations? It seems like it's not working very well in the US for a number of reasons and risks becoming counterproductive. What's the bottleneck? It seems like the vaccines are getting produced and delivered, so not a manufacturing or logistics/delivery issue. Are appointment systems a mess, so people don't know when and where to go? Not enough people to deliver the shots? Demand low among priority people for some odd reason? A lazy tier enforcement approach seems fine to me. Someone shows up and can't actually prove they're in the tier they're in, then gently caress it, give them the shot anyway. But there'd need to be something to prevent it from running rampant if word spreads. I wonder if a "VIP" line approach would work. If you're T1a or whatever the top tier is at the moment, you can show up in a certain time window and skip the line. But meanwhile keep an unrestricted standby list so that we're not running an empty conveyor belt. Or maybe a mixed method approach like popular marathons where in addition to the real qualifiers, a certain number of slots are reserved for lottery or for auction.
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NieR Occomata posted:I work at a COVID test site.
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^^^ from my time in retail, telling them no and ignoring them is solid loving goldThe Oldest Man posted:The optimum distribution strategy isn't to means test the vaccine, it's the AC-130 gunship scene from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare except with shots. Just vaccinate everyone who doesn't run fast enough. "Don't focus the vaccine on the most vulnerable and most in danger, but instead allow whatever societal inequalities already exist to continue onto vaccination distribution" is a hell of a leftist take. In before "a rising vaccination rate lifts all lungs"
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I know/HOPE you're kidding, but the same people who will throw tantrums in a pharmacy will invariably be the types who immediately go "back to their normal routine" once they think they're vaccinated (just the once, not even the full dose nor waiting for it to take full effect) and safe and become massive superspreaders. Deep down you know those fuckers have hardly deviated from their normal routine the entire time
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Jaxyon posted:^^^ from my time in retail, telling them no and ignoring them is solid loving gold okay, why haven't 20 million people been vaccinated yet then. you know delaying this just means that poor working people will die in mass right or is it better for vaccines to be flushed to make sure they go to the right people first? Better to have the poor people die than risk a rich person who is doing wfh from getting the vacc! wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Jan 5, 2021 |
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Jan 5, 2021 11:49
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Deploy snipers with tranquilliser guns filled with vaccine. Anyone not wearing a mask gets a shot. Soldiers get $10 per confirmed vaccination.
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Lol at “I have cancer and I’m scared” slipping into the Karens list
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Fallom posted:Lol at “I have cancer and I’m scared” slipping into the Karens list drat Karen wanting to get that vaccine just because she is scared of dying and doesn't understand why 50-year-old politicians get it before her. Why don't these Karens understand the incredibly confusing guidelines (different for each state). It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard!’ wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Jan 5, 2021 |
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Vasukhani posted:okay, why haven't 20 million people been vaccinated yet then. Watching people go from need-based to "actually if I, a computer toucher, get the vaccine first it's woke" is something. I agree that in many places the distribution leaves much to be desired but going on a priority system still makes the most sense.
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Jaxyon posted:Watching people go from need-based to "actually if I, a computer toucher, get the vaccine first it's woke" is something. Throwing out vaccines is woke? The priority system is still good obviously, we just are unwilling and incapable of doing it in an effective way, and are instead obsessing over individual line cutters. Just have the state literally vaccinate on all olds on sight. wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 12:47 on Jan 5, 2021 |
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I agree that prioritization makes sense but the offramps need to look more like "Once all the staff at this clinic were vaccinated the remainder went to patients at a nearby dialysis clinic" and less like "This smiling young couple got a magic dose because they were friends with a hospital administrator!" And to be fair, some places are doing exactly that. Just another point against having a national rollout without national leadership.
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Fallom posted:Lol at “I have cancer and I’m scared” slipping into the Karens list Yeah that one stands out pretty poorly. IMO you print out signs everywhere that lists people that cannot receive it yet so you can atleast point to it and save your voice.
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Fallom posted:I agree that prioritization makes sense but the offramps need to look more like "Once all the staff at this clinic were vaccinated the remainder went to patients at a nearby dialysis clinic" and less like "This smiling young couple got a magic dose because they were friends with a hospital administrator!" And to be fair, some places are doing exactly that. Just another point against having a national rollout without national leadership. That dialysis option seems like a sure way to rake up some 100k fines, better just toss em.
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Vasukhani posted:Throwing out vaccines is woke? The priority system is still good obviously, we just are unwilling and incapable of doing it in an effective way. We actually are, it's just spotty because, as Fallom points out, it turns out that it does matter who is president. I have friends who are front line workers already getting their second dose in some states, and in some states not even their first. The answer to a priority system working bad is to make it better, not do a free-for-all.
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Jaxyon posted:We actually are, it's just spotty because, as Fallom points out, it turns out that it does matter who is president. I have friends who are front line workers already getting their second dose in some states, and in some states not even their first. I'm not suggesting a free for all. I want the state to use its coercive apparatus to force it. There should be no individual choice at all.
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Vasukhani posted:I'm not suggesting a free for all. I want the state to use its coercive apparatus to force it. There should be no individual choice at all. The person I was replying to was, in fact, advocating a free for all.
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Jaxyon posted:The person I was replying to was, in fact, advocating a free for all. I was suggesting that 20 million people (hell I'm sure you could even find 20 mil over 70) vaccinated is better than 5 million of the right people. It's not like people are going to hoard vaccines in their bodies. wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 12:46 on Jan 5, 2021 |
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Jaxyon posted:In before "a rising vaccination rate lifts all lungs" except in a pandemic this is literally true lol we simply need to emphasize getting shots into arms wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Jan 5, 2021 |
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Jaxyon posted:We actually are, it's just spotty because, as Fallom points out, it turns out that it does matter who is president. I have friends who are front line workers already getting their second dose in some states, and in some states not even their first. Cool, and there are countless articles about how it’s not working, how vaccines are sitting in freezers, how people who should be prioritized have heard crickets, how despite there being a priority list and appointments made old people are still waiting in line overnight in the cold. You’ve got anecdotes? Here’s some opposing anecdotes. A priority system is great if it works, but it’s not loving working. They’ve had 1 loving year to prepare for this and if they haven’t done it in a year they’re not going to magically fix it in weeks. Free for all (with appointments! Not just show up) is better than vaccines sitting in storage.
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A vaccine that goes to someone who is clinically vulnerable is many times more valuable in terms of preventing death and stopping the healthcare system from becoming overwhelmed. If you can vaccinate everybody who is clinically vulnerable, you pretty much guarantee that the healthcare system can cope with whatever COVID throws at it.
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I wouldn't assume everyone who shows up is entitled. I'm sure some of them are just loving horrified because this is the first positive thing that's been done for the last year. My dad has bladder cancer and my mom had a few breakdowns because she was so scared of catching it. They're both pretty tuned in to everything and aren't idiots, but I could see them freaking out and trying to get it under different circumstances. I've worked enough retail to get the whole "karen" thing but this isn't exactly some boomer trying to skip the waiting list for brunch in a busy restaurant.
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Unironically I wish we would make politicians be literally the last people in the country to get vaccinated, I'd love to see how quickly the vaccine rollout would go
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Unironically I wish we would make politicians be literally the last people in the country to get vaccinated, I'd love to see how quickly the vaccine rollout would go
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My insurance provider sent an email out to all clients with a message in big red letters: PLEASE DO NOT CONTACT YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER ABOUT VACCINE AVAILABILITY. I feel a little sorry for whoever is fielding all these questions when the answer is obviously "Not yet, not for you." Nowhere near as sorry as for the front-line health care workers, but still.
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