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Tankakern posted:doesn't that take away the ps1 experience though not drinking methanol also kind of takes away the speakeasy experience, buuuuuut...
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Silver Alicorn posted:affine texture mapping is aesthetic as hell 
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I recognize the aesthetic but I can’t think of any games that are affine textured.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:I recognize the aesthetic but I can’t think of any games that are affine textured. minesweeper?
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PSX isn't based on quads
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yeah, that image doesn't show it correctly. this is the method the psx uses i definitely remember those warped projections
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Sagebrush posted:i suspect that a lot of people don't know that tony is short for anthony. dick kyanka Ornamental Dingbat posted:I loving HATED that game despite putting hundreds of hours into beating it. Retro games aren't necessarily good, we just had no better options at the time. retro games are almost universally bad. even the “good” ones would still be considered worthless garbage if released today Jim Silly-Balls posted:Honestly at this point, there are probably people who are nostalgic for the way early emulators messed certain things up on games omg i struggle to believe there are people who are nostalgic for ps1 graphics but i bet there are Agile Vector posted:an upgrade from their 'old milk jug left outside' npcs fuckin lol Sagebrush posted:yeah, that image doesn't show it correctly. this is the method the psx uses what’s going on here? when does far cry 6 come out i think i got it free with my processor but have to wait for it to exist first people back int the day couldn’t tell the difference between a challenge and having fun
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echinopsis posted:what’s going on here? different methods of projecting a 2D texture into perspective space. affine mapping, in the center, transforms the texture by doing a simple linear interpolation across the polygon (i.e. the checkerboard gets scaled and skewed, but each square in it is still the same size as all the others). this sort of works but it looks bizarre up close because the foreshortening is not correct, and it's especially noticeable when you put two polygons beside one another. proper perspective mapping, on the right, varies the scale of the texture continuously according to the angle, so the squares closer to the camera are larger. this looks correct. affine mapping was used by the playstation because it is computationally cheaper than perspective mapping. this gave psx games a unique sort of wobbly aesthetic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pm8GNfquEk more here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texture_mapping#Affine_texture_mapping
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also i don't know if i'm just missing the point here or what but i think both of these are wrong. i made this version instead; the bottom is perspective mapping and the top is affine mapping of a quad (with some distortion because of the warp tool). notice how the size of each square is an equal fraction of the edge it's on, rather than each one being foreshortened. 
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I've always found it pleasing when an artist drew plaid/chequered like this (the cowboy costume):  e: I always thought there was just one Tintin but appears there were several Tinstin!
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Sagebrush posted:different methods of projecting a 2D texture into perspective space. affine mapping, in the center, transforms the texture by doing a simple linear interpolation across the polygon (i.e. the checkerboard gets scaled and skewed, but each square in it is still the same size as all the others). this sort of works but it looks bizarre up close because the foreshortening is not correct, and it's especially noticeable when you put two polygons beside one another. proper perspective mapping, on the right, varies the scale of the texture continuously according to the angle, so the squares closer to the camera are larger. this looks correct. thankyou for this oh I just got it. it was the two triangles making a square that was getting in the way of me understanding what it was trying to do. imo the example would be clearer if it was just a lone triangle. maybe its godawful to look at lol 3D Megadoodoo posted:I've always found it pleasing when an artist drew plaid/chequered like this (the cowboy costume): I always felt like the sales dude from the monkey island games had a screen mapped plaid shirt. echinopsis fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Jan 7, 2021 |
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echinopsis posted:I always felt like the sales dude from the monkey island games had a screen mapped plaid shirt. 
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the pattern of the plaid shirt staying still while the guy frantically gesticulates is a fuckin great visual goof
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echinopsis posted:dick kyanka no one can have this many bad video game takes. please do not troll thank you
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bideo james
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echinopsis posted:i struggle to believe there are people who are nostalgic for ps1 graphics but i bet there are this dude is making a cool game using ps1 gfx https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qB3CNvOoGg
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polyester concept posted:this dude is making a cool game using ps1 gfx
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Kenny Logins posted:not watching because i prefer to think it's Xavier: Renegade Angel: the Game Looks about as appealing.
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echinopsis posted:dick kyanka I definitely have nostalgia for ps1 and Saturn era graphics. ps1 was the first system I worked for and got myself so there’s a lot of sentimentality to it too I guess
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PS1 is my favorite console and its graphics are 100% my aesthetic.
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ps1 graphics rule. as do n64. they are all a product of their time, they all look bad today. that’s fine because the aesthetic can be appreciated separate from and outside of 4K ray traced graphics I also feel like when we hit the ps2, we kind of started iterating on the same thing. ps2 graphics in general, mostly look like what we have today at lower fidelity, vertices and resolutions. think of how good GameCube and Wii games look scaled to 4K in an emulator. things haven’t changed a lot ps1 and n64 and previous consoles looked wildly different and I feel like we won’t see that jump from 16 bit sprites to 32 and 64 bit polygons again
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echinopsis posted:retro games are almost universally bad. even the “good” ones would still be considered worthless garbage if released today lol just loving lol
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if Wild Strawberries were released today it would be immediately discarded as trash. there isnt a single fight sequence and it doesnt tie into the MCU
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don't count out the dreamcast, which had the best fighting game ever made soulcalibur
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Silver Alicorn posted:PSX isn't based on quads Silver Alicorn posted:PS1 is my favorite console and its graphics are 100% my aesthetic.
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Roosevelt posted:don't count out the dreamcast, which had the best fighting game ever made soulcalibur soul calibur, crazy taxi, bangai-o (which can make emulators lsow to a crawl lmao)... lotta good games
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bump_fn posted:soul calibur, crazy taxi, bangai-o (which can make emulators lsow to a crawl lmao)... lotta good games also shenmue, which caused every game for the next decade to be infected with qtes
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The_Franz posted:also shenmue, which caused every game for the next decade to be infected with qtes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=depfVO4R2OA
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Roosevelt posted:don't count out the dreamcast, which had the best fighting game ever made soulcalibur loving yes
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retro games are bad because nobody knew what the gently caress they were doing
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i can still hear the announcer guy's voice in my head. sooooul calibur
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the soul still burns
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hades is good
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toiletbrush posted:I know I just thought it was a hilariously incompetent diagram it's actually making me angry because it looks like that is from a textbook or something and it's completely wrong. the top is showing camera-space mapping, not affine, and the bottom is just "gently caress my poo poo up fam"
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retro games are good, actually
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Silver Alicorn posted:retro games are good, actually some are good
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Cat Face Joe posted:hades is good 
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i still fire up super mario world from time to time. can't get enough of the blue/red/yellow yoshis
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Roosevelt posted:i still fire up super mario world from time to time. can't get enough of the blue/red/yellow yoshis blue yoshi is op
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don’t encourage him, 4 of his last 5 posts in this thread are exactly that the 5th is “shaggar was right”
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