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AdmiralViscen posted:Isn’t babu frik onscreen to murder threepio, which all the protagonists laugh at, and it turns out it wasn’t necessary anyway since the new droid had the info anyway
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I got a free trial of Disney+ so though I might as well watch rise of the skywalker last night. stills feel like a rip off. this movie is garbage
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I have also been ripped off by watching Rise of Skywalker for free.
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It's only free if your time is worthless.
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egon_beeblebrox posted:time isn't even real, buddy I thought our eyes weren't real
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Cerv posted:I got a free trial of Disney+ so though I might as well watch rise of the skywalker last night. Me, upon realizing there was still an hour and a half left to go in The Rise of Skywalker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_nPp64OrBc
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RotS is the last movie I saw in theaters, a fitting end to going out in public to be entertained.
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I broke down into loud laughter in a theater around the time the film opened during the scene where the decide to just randomly do the lion with a needle in its paw plot point in order to establish Rey's new magic power. ONE YEAR LATER posted:RotS is the last movie I saw in theaters, a fitting end to going out in public to be entertained. 
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karmicknight posted:I broke down into loud laughter in a theater around the time the film opened during the scene where the decide to just randomly do the lion with a needle in its paw plot point in order to establish Rey's new magic power. For me, it was the pointed close up shot of the Space Duct Tape around Anakin's lightsaber. I let out a long, overly loud groan because that was the moment I knew inescapably that the movie was going to be nothing but a mad dash to erase The Last Jedi at the expense of telling its own story. ONE YEAR LATER posted:RotS is the last movie I saw in theaters, a fitting end to going out in public to be entertained. 
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:RotS is the last movie I saw in theaters, a fitting end to going out in public to be entertained. It should have been CATS
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nine-gear crow posted:For me, it was the pointed close up shot of the Space Duct Tape around Anakin's lightsaber. I let out a long, overly loud groan because that was the moment I knew inescapably that the movie was going to be nothing but a mad dash to erase The Last Jedi at the expense of telling its own story.
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Cerv posted:I don't recall, was that before or after ghost Luke turned direct to camera and said quote "I (Rian Johnson) was wrong" ? WAY before that. This is like in the opening 20 minutes in that mad breathless blitz that included Kylo visiting like 50 planets looking for Palpatine and LIGHTSPEED SKIPPING.
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I didn't laugh out loud in the theater, but it was clear it was going to be horseshit from the first minute, when the central plot point to what was ostensibly the conclusion of a trilogy was revealed in the opening text crawl.
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im thinkin yeah, they fly now
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Some Goon posted:I didn't laugh out loud in the theater, but it was clear it was going to be horseshit from the first minute, when the central plot point to what was ostensibly the conclusion of a trilogy was revealed in the opening text crawl. THE DEAD SPEAK
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Somehow... palpatine returned.
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babu frik was a triumph of a small critter with big eyes triggering peoples baby reflex over the producers making the character or scene actually good disney learned from this and made a whole series with the same premise
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yeah Disney needed someone to tell them about small characters with big eyes
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Some Goon posted:I didn't laugh out loud in the theater, but it was clear it was going to be horseshit from the first minute, when the central plot point to what was ostensibly the conclusion of a trilogy was revealed in the opening text crawl. If only you'd played Fortnite
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nine-gear crow posted:Somehow... You could see Oscar Isaac's soul withering from his body as he delivered that line. Like, the energy just drained from his eyes and he became a meat puppet on strings in that moment.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It should have been CATS Can confirm that this was the best choice I made in my life.
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Why is Johnson still the one nerds hate instead of Abrams? Why am I seeing videos from Midnight Sun in 2020 (1??) about how they're destroying "kathleen and rian's legacy"?
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CelticPredator posted:Why is Johnson still the one nerds hate instead of Abrams? Why am I seeing videos from Midnight Sun in 2020 (1??) about how they're destroying "kathleen and rian's legacy"? not everyone who hates the sequels or TLJ is a weird chud but the long tail of being mad about TLJ on youtube is pandering to chuds
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Jan 11, 2021 03:30
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I remember midnight sun being a decent "poo poo happened behind the scenes of said movie" but as I typed that i recall watching videos mostly about Ghostbusters 2016 so maybe. It's just weird that the guy who made 2 out of the 3 sequels, laid out all the poo poo that messed it up, and ended the entire triogly with some lame poo poo is the one that everyone shrugs at. But the lady and guy who made the middle one get yelled at.
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Abrams is bad in a boring way, but Johnson makes a lot of weird choices that are more interesting to pick apart. The weirdness of those choices actually struck some people in exactly the right way so they'll be more energetic about defending them, as opposed to the bad but forgettable Force Awakens. I'm not really certain why the worst of the nerds chose the things they did to rage out at, I guess maybe Rose does emasculate the male leads with her earnestness? CelticPredator posted:It's just weird that the guy who made 2 out of the 3 sequels, laid out all the poo poo that messed it up, and ended the entire triogly with some lame poo poo is the one that everyone shrugs at. But the lady and guy who made the middle one get yelled at. I think it's wrong to accuse J.J. Abrams of setting up anything.
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Rise is clearly a corporate product that was the result of high-level meddling, and it's impossible to tell how much of it is Abrams' fault and how much of it was decisions made elsewhere. I really don't think it was Abrams' decision to have a major plot point be presented only in Fortnight, for example. And Abrams hasn't really made much of an effort to talk it up or defend it after it came out. Last Jedi's weird decisions and baffling plot points seem to be almost entirely Johnson's choices - though it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that some of the stranger moments were the result of corporate meddling. And Johnson and his supporters have been pretty aggressively defending the film's choices, so that leads to a more combative atmosphere. And, of course, Jedi came out first, so it got the stronger backlash; nobody was expecting Rise to pull the trilogy out of its nosedive.
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Angry Salami posted:And Johnson and his supporters have been pretty aggressively defending the film's choices, so that leads to a more combative atmosphere. Ah yes, it's the people defending something they love from the angry irrational mob that has tried to destroy it and multiple people involved its creation's lives because 90 minutes of cinema drove them brain-ripping mad and stained their very being, it's those people who have made things tense. Yes  The good ol' War of Last Jedi Defender Aggression.
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CelticPredator posted:Why is Johnson still the one nerds hate instead of Abrams? Why am I seeing videos from Midnight Sun in 2020 (1??) about how they're destroying "kathleen and rian's legacy"? Well He pissed of the chuds by introducing an Asian character and an SJW pink haired yaaas queen slay admiral that chewed out the male main character He pissed of old star wars fans with the way they wrote Luke He pissed off new Star wars fans with the way they wrote FN He pissed off fans of TFA because it didn't follow up on the mystery boxes and what not but instead did its own thing, and is blamed for "derailing" the trilogy And finally he made some utterly baffling choices that muddle or undermine the themes and ideas of the film. All of this combined made it an easy film to dislike Edit: I don't know how much executive meddling there was going on here, and how much of the above Rian is responsible for. I heavily suspect there was at least some exec insisting on sidelining FN at least McCloud fucked around with this message at 06:24 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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Angry Salami posted:Last Jedi's weird decisions and baffling plot points seem to be almost entirely Johnson's choices - though it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out that some of the stranger moments were the result of corporate meddling. And Johnson and his supporters have been pretty aggressively defending the film's choices, so that leads to a more combative atmosphere. I am extremely skeptical that the people defending TLJ are why the Doomcock/Quartering/Brie-Larsen-ruined-everything Youtube grifter crowd seized on it and still haven't let go years later. McCloud posted:an SJW pink haired yaaas queen slay admiral source your quotes e: lol fair Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jan 11, 2021 |
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Cease to Hope posted:I am extremely skeptical that the people defending TLJ are why the Doomcock/Quartering/Brie-Larsen-ruined-everything Youtube grifter crowd seized on it and still haven't let go years later. That is obviously not my take on her, but an exaggeration of how the chuds are sarcastically and derogatorily describing her and why they are upset with her.
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McCloud posted:Well These are good things, welcome to the 21st century. Women and minorities exist now, holy poo poo. McCloud posted:He pissed of old star wars fans with the way they wrote Luke People are capable of radically changing in the span of 30 years from adolescence to middle age. Luke being a burnt out gently caress up who squandered his potential thanks in large part to forces beyond his control is something that's actually very resonant for with folks who were 40-25 at the time The Last Jedi was made for some weird reason  Also Luke's arc from TFA to TLJ was lifted 100% from George Lucas's original treatment for VII-VIII-IX that he left Disney when they bought LucasFilm. Luke was an old broken recluse failure shithead who has his faith and power restored by training an optimistic young girl how to use the Force. McCloud posted:He pissed off new Star wars fans with the way they wrote FN Ya got me there, chief. Finn's arc kinda sucked from TLJ onward. Dude should have been a Jedi and hooked up with Rey, and they shouldn't have broken up the cast like they did. McCloud posted:He pissed off fans of TFA because it didn't follow up on the mystery boxes and what not but instead did its own thing, and is blamed for "derailing" the trilogy The Mystery Boxes were always empty. JJ didn't put poo poo inside them and blowing them all up was a great move. Snoke was a boring-rear end empty suit of an archetype and Kylo Ren merc'ing him randomly and then becoming the main villain was a shocking and brilliant twist because he was an infinitely better character to follow and his journey to becoming the top villain was one of the best parts of the trilogy until Abrams ruined with "Somehow... [soul-ejecting sigh] Palpatine returned." Duel of the Fates was able to rend a coherent ending out of where The Last Jedi left the status quo, and it was written by the guy who gave the world The Book of Henry. The gently caress was Abrams' excuse? McCloud posted:And finally he made some utterly baffling choices that muddle or undermine the themes and ideas of the film. The theme of the film is "Failure is the greatest teacher of all". How does a film that is 90 minutes of people loving up royally and then learning from their mistakes so they don't gently caress up again when it comes put up or shut up time "undermine its own themes"?
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TLJ is also the second of a trilogy, those are often subject to more discussion. Also, higher expectations since people wanted this to be the ST ESB.
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Nine-Gear, did you perhaps confuse "Reasons people hate Rian" with "Reasons McCloud hates Rian"?
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McCloud posted:Nine-Gear, did you perhaps confuse "Reasons people hate Rian" with "Reasons McCloud hates Rian"? I mean you left it a little ambiguous as to whether you believed what you posting rather than posting it for the sake of argument, but the point remains. Most of peoples "I will die mad about this" contentions with the film are remarkably flimsy and fall apart when poked at even slightly. The biggest one being the all-encompassing one "people got eternally mad over and constructed their own set of QAnon-level insanity around a movie about space wizards made for children" 
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nine-gear crow posted:The theme of the film is "Failure is the greatest teacher of all". How does a film that is 90 minutes of people loving up royally and then learning from their mistakes so they don't gently caress up again when it comes put up or shut up time "undermine its own themes"? I can think of several sort of muddled thematic messages off the top of my head. The movie has "self-sacrifice is heroic and great" and "self-sacrifice leads only to destruction" moments. TLJ also has this weird moral throughline of "you should have listened to what your superiors told you," which is really weird laid next to Rose's speech on the casino planet and Rey's necessary realization that there are things Luke and the Jedi texts can't teach her. I like TLJ but it has so much going on and much of it works at cross purposes. There are good-faith criticisms to be made here.
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I also just have to disagree with Snoke's death being a good thing because he is one-dimensional. It wouldn't have been difficult to flesh him out in TLJ, and it would have been really necessary because it could have helped fleshing out the FO. As it is, we know as much about the FO by the end of TLJ as we do at the beginning, only now Kyle is their leader.
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Snoke is both the mastermind manipulator who orchestrated Kylo's corruption, Luke's failure, and every other major event of the last few decades, and also an empty shell who neither Kylo nor anybody else owes any loyalty to. His death is both a major moment in Kylo's development as a character, and also a non-event that changes nothing.
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