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I feel like there will be an absurd number of unsigned FAs come ST this year
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 20:17 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 16:43 |
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Kluber's career has been longer but if we're looking at his peak it's more of a "Let's put Brandon Webb in the hall" sort of argument unless he has a major career renaissance
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 20:17 |
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Kluber's peak was historically excellent but he'll wind up in the same cell as Santana and Lincecum.
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 20:18 |
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Active pitchers right now with a legitimate Hall case: Kershaw Verlander Scherzer Grenkie King Felix maybe? He's fallen off a cliff but his peak was insane. deGrom got started late but back to back Cy's are a hell of a thing, I think he's 2-3 more excellent seasons off from having a solid case. Am I missing anybody?
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 20:26 |
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Felix retired
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 20:31 |
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Felix I'd say probably doesn't get in. deGrom needs to get another 4-6 seasons of elite production to get in. The rest are all shoe-ins IMO e: comedy Bauer option
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 20:32 |
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FlamingLiberal posted:Felix retired No he didn't, he opted out of last season.
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 20:38 |
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Sydin posted:Active pitchers right now with a legitimate Hall case: Do you mean they would have a Hall case if they retired now, or are on a possible trajectory? If the latter, Gerrit Cole has a great shot and Stras and Sale need some good seasons in their 30s. Price is probably too old now. When Hendricks strings together 10 straight 4 WAR seasons in his 30s he will be a shoe-in.
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 20:41 |
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yeah Kersh/Max/Verlander/Greinke are all essentially locks now. Any of those 4 could announce there retirement today and likely get in. deGrom is not yet a lock but well on track, he's where Kershaw was after like 2013, or maybe Scherzer after 2016 is a better comparison due to age: not quite enough under his belt yet but still in the midst of his peak and more likely to make it than to collapse and fall short. Sale at 45 WAR and Hamels at 58 are interesting bubble cases. Sale is certainly young enough to get there with a strong second act to his career, while Hamels looks like he may be cooked and fall just short. David Price (39.7 WAR) is another guy who could force a conversation if he continues to pitch well another 5-7 years. edit: Strasburg is like Sale in that he needs a productive 30's period to get there, but moreso because he's not quite had the peak that Sale did. Compare their Cy Young Shares (1.88 vs 0.65), Sale is #26 all time and second only to Wainwright among pitchers who've never won the award, while Strasburg is down near guys like Ryu, Porcello, Ramon Martinez, Joe Neikro, and Josh Beckett. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jan 13, 2021 |
# ? Jan 13, 2021 20:41 |
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Poque posted:When Hendricks strings together 10 straight 4 WAR seasons in his 30s he will be a shoe-in. bawfuls posted:Sale at 45 WAR and Hamels at 58 are interesting bubble cases. Sale is certainly young enough to get there with a strong second act to his career, while Hamels looks like he may be cooked and fall just short. David Price (39.7 WAR) is another guy who could force a conversation if he continues to pitch well another 5-7 years. I think Hamels ultimately falls just short and ends up as a Hall of Really Good guy. Sale and Stras are both in their 30's and have struggled consistently with injury issues, I think it's unlikely either is able to able to remain productive enough to build a case.
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 20:53 |
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Sydin posted:Active pitchers right now with a legitimate Hall case: Whoops missed it saying pitchers. Ya that's the list imo
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 20:58 |
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I think Sale is more likely to make it than Stras. They are the same age and both have injury risk, but Sale has 45 WAR already, 6 consecutive years of top-5 Cy Young finishes, and a 140 careeer ERA+. Stras meanwhile has 33 WAR, 2 non-consecutive years of top-5 Cy Young finishes, and a 129 career ERA+. Sale also has a 300 strikeout season and is currently the all-time career leader in K/BB ratio. Sale is coming from a higher peak and needs less additional production to get there.
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 21:00 |
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Chris Sale has an all-time record. It is one people probably don't really care that much about, and he might lose it as he ages. But point is, I think Sale is more likely than not to make it. But yeah, he needs some good years. /\/\/\ drat you bawfuls!
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 21:00 |
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Only 19 pitchers have achieved a 300 strikeout season. 14 of them are retired, 8 of those are already in the HoF and one of them is Schilling who's pitching is HoF-worthy.
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 21:13 |
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I feel like Strasburg will outlast Sale, although really who knows
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 21:14 |
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BALCO only happened because some tryhard down at the FBI got mad that Bonds broke the record and started looking through dumpsters.
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 21:43 |
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bawfuls posted:73.Corey Patterson omg lol
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# ? Jan 13, 2021 22:46 |
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Petey epitomized the love/hate relationship with a bullpen arm, so long old friend. https://twitter.com/jorgecastillo/status/1349492276729417729
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 02:21 |
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bawfuls posted:Petey epitomized the love/hate relationship with a bullpen arm, so long old friend. baez is still on the mound in Texas preparing to throw his fifth pitch
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 02:33 |
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lmao showed the tweet to my Dodgers fan roommate and he immediately goes "I dont give a gently caress what his ERA was, Baez sucks thank God we didn't resign him."
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 02:34 |
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I specifically remember Dodgers fans being filled with despair every time he came into the games in the playoffs
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 03:03 |
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Cross-posting from the Bay Area thread:
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 05:12 |
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That's a Yikes-a-reeno.
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 05:18 |
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Well bawfuls has his trump card against Spo now
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 06:06 |
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That guy should be forced to sell the team and the Giants should lose all their dynasty points
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 06:08 |
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Intruder posted:Well bawfuls has his trump card against Spo now
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 06:33 |
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Charles B Johnson has repeatedly been a yikesaroonie and I wish they'd expel his rear end but he owns a poo poo ton of the team so it's difficult. Also this is one of the few pieces of common ground we have:bawfuls posted:there are no good billionaires
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 06:44 |
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bawfuls posted:yeah Kersh/Max/Verlander/Greinke are all essentially locks now. Any of those 4 could announce there retirement today and likely get in. Do you think the voters would give Price a harder time even if he finishes his career great due to his historically bad playoff performances?
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 19:48 |
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coronavirus posted:Do you think the voters would give Price a harder time even if he finishes his career great due to his historically bad playoff performances? And Price somewhat killed that narrative for himself in 2018 anyway. Far more important is a productive 5+ more years or so to get him to 60-ish WAR, which seems like a stretch. But if he really pulled that off, he'd also have further opportunities to pitch well in October over the same period. bawfuls fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Jan 14, 2021 |
# ? Jan 14, 2021 20:11 |
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https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1349802036880056320?s=20 Just what the Mets needed: a slugger who can't effectively play defense at any position. They certainly don't have enough of those.
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 20:38 |
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Strasburgs UCL posted:https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1349802036880056320?s=20 For a max of 1.5 million and a 40-man spot, it's just a flyer/depth move. Maybe I'm just used to the Cubs doing that with every guy who "used to be pretty decent, right? Oh not since 2016"
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 20:50 |
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Strasburgs UCL posted:https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1349802036880056320?s=20 The Indians needed literally all 3 of those holes filled and couldn’t even shell out a million five MAX for him. This off-season becomes more frustrating every day
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 20:51 |
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https://twitter.com/Crayestout/status/1349794613377294340 lol
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 20:51 |
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We need somebody with a good reputation to act as the face for all the bad rule changes we're about to make!
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 21:26 |
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GPTribefan posted:The Indians needed literally all 3 of those holes filled and couldn’t even shell out a million five MAX for him. This off-season becomes more frustrating every day They have Bobby Bradley who can't hit, Jake Bauers who can't hit or field, and Josh Naylor who seems okay. Problem solved.
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# ? Jan 14, 2021 21:28 |
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Phillies picked up Archie Bradley 1yr/6 mil. Good move bullpen needed someone Would you rather have Liam Hendricks at whatever he just signed at or Brad Hand at 1/10
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# ? Jan 15, 2021 00:01 |
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Bradley and Alvarado are both solid pickups. I'd like to see them go after Hand or Colome as well. And of course sign Realmuto and Gregorius Jesus Christ Phils get your poo poo together.
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# ? Jan 15, 2021 00:20 |
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pffffffffthahahahahaha
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# ? Jan 15, 2021 00:46 |
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I love Archie Bradley !! Hooray
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# ? Jan 15, 2021 00:55 |
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# ? Mar 28, 2024 16:43 |
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https://twitter.com/sfgiants/status/1349899437699522561?s=21
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