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Schwarzwald posted:This brand identification is just the '00s console wars writ large. Hold on - are we really going to pretend like the PS2's run wasn't the greatest of all time? :\
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I'd say that I felt there were entirely too many things happening in Ant Man and the Wasp. They should just have had Goggins be the main bad guy. They had at least 3 bad guys!!! Mr. Apollo posted:There's a ton of "I'm a lawyer and if Ray actually had something he could speak publicly without fear of being sued. He obviously has nothing and just wants attention." posts on Reddit along with a lot defending Johns saying he's done more for diversity in comics than Ray ever could. Jesus christ. This dude sucks!
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If Ray was speaking out of turn they'd have sued his admss for libel, the fact they didn't proves the validity of his complaints.Pirate Jet posted:And they never will because they made opinions on superhero movies into a moral signpost. They bet huge on Snyder turning out to be a secret QAnon psycho or something and now that actual politics and morality are involved they’re objectively wrong, so their best strategy is to hope nobody calls them out on it and/or accuse Fisher of being a liar. This is my take as well. There's this weird performative behavior where they assume Snyder is some alt right objectivist and his fans are MAGA chufa and they as leftists have a moral obligation to hate him and everything associated with him. Big props to Lindsey for breaking ranks though, lots of respect for that.
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Jimbot posted:Ugh. On top of being an awful person, she's an awful actress. Such a waste of effort and time. Just fire her and replace her with someone better. And a bad fighter. She's just mediocre enough at several things that it buys her credibility in the other things. She's a slightly better actor than you expect a fighter to be, and a slightly better fighter than you expect an actor to be.
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Mr. Apollo posted:a lot defending Johns saying he's done more for diversity in comics than Ray ever could. lol loving how? He spent most of his career trying to reset the status quo back to where it was when he was a kid in the late seventies. If he was trying to promote diversity he could have advanced the legacies to new, diverse characters instead of resurrecting Barry Allen and Hal Jordan (aka, square jawed white guy #3 and 4 of the DC universe)
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Guy A. Person posted:lol loving how? Here, have this loving clown explain how to you, lmao: https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinemat...share&context=3 a loving clown posted:Just in case anyone doesn’t know, Geoff Johns is of half Lebanese decent, was married to an Asian woman until 2009, was a part of the casting process that led to the West family being black in The Flash series, is the creator of Simon Baz, Jessica Cruz, the extended Shazam family and was a driving force behind Cyborg being a founding member of the New 52 Justice League. How the hell can anyone go to bat for the corporate side of things? It's so goddamn shameful and infuriating.
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Look I try to stay out of the idpol stuff and just stick to facts but "Geoff Johns wouldn't treat a black guy like poo poo because he's married to an Asian lady and half Lebanese" is really honestly throwing me for one. That is just an insane thing to say, in my opinion.
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teagone posted:Here, have this loving clown explain how to you, lmao: So the loving clown (who likely does not actually gently caress all that much because potential sex partner find him (it's almost certainly a him) to be distasteful) posits that it is somehow impossible for someone not a fully Caucasian to be racially bigoted? That seems absurd on its face. It's completely possible for a Black or Asian or (obviously) half-Lebanese person to show bigotry. The reason it's worse when we White people do it is because it has teeth. A poor Black woman might hate all white men equally with every atom of her soul. But she can't deny them employment. Or screw them out of benefits and housing. Or get them killed by calling the police on them. White people can do and have done all of those things and more. And given what has happened to Parker, it seems pretty clear that Johns' racism also has teeth. teagone posted:How the hell can anyone go to bat for the corporate side of things? It's so goddamn shameful and infuriating. "I want what I want when I want it and God gently caress anyone or anything that even appears to get in the way of that." AKA how White culture have treated non-White cultures every chance they've gotten.
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Everyone posted:"I want what I want when I want it and God gently caress anyone or anything that even appears to get in the way of that." 
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The thought process is that if you like movies being made, you should defend those who have the most say in whether they're made or not. So going to bat for the studio is really a selfish act. You just want to watch movies.
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I want to watch movies too, but there's more movies than just ok adaptations of comic books.
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Roth posted:I want to watch movies too, but there's more movies than just ok adaptations of comic books. They want what they want. Recall the outpouring of grief with Chadwick Boseman died. Figure some of it was unmixed, from the people who really knew him. But among the comic-book movie crowd, you know drat well that 99% of their "grief" came from "But, but what does that mean for Black Panther 2 and Phase 4 of the MCU?!" That's pretty true for everybody to some degree or another. It's just more obvious due to neckbeardy entitlement of comic book fans who watch the movies about their universe. Yeah, that last bit was awkwardly phrased but I wanted to pin down the detail. I'm not talking about the people who go see Justice League because "It looks fun." I'm talking the Cat Piss creatures who care deeply about this stuff. The ones who thought (and posted) that Zendaya playing the (fictional, not actually real, made the gently caress up) character of MJ was wrong because "Mary Jane is actually white!" Those fuckers.
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KVeezy3 posted:Hold on - are we really going to pretend like the PS2's run wasn't the greatest of all time? :\ Funny thing is the PS2's library hasn't aged the best in retrospect, last I heard. The Xbox at least has some weird and interesting stuff as they were willing to sign up with anyone to fill out their library, and the GameCube is a weird era of Nintendo being experimental while still using relatively normal hardware. Pretty much everything noteworthy the PS2 had was multi-platform or has been ported elsewhere, besides maybe the Ratchet and Clank and Jak and Daxter games. Snowman_McK posted:And a bad fighter. She's just mediocre enough at several things that it buys her credibility in the other things. She's a slightly better actor than you expect a fighter to be, and a slightly better fighter than you expect an actor to be. I suppose we've hit the point of progress where mediocre in all aspects but vaguely appealing mostly-white women can be as inexplicably indispensable as their white counterparts. (Sam Worthington et al)
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teagone posted:Well poo poo. Maybe I was wrong about her. She made one tasteless joke four years ago about his mother because she didn't know she was dead. That's pretty much all she has said publicly about him. Which makes The posts about her In this thread kinda weird.
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she also made a video about the transformers movies which amounts to her saying "i didn't understand the action, so therefore the action is objectively incomprehensible; i will now psychoanalyze michael bay for the next half hour".
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Alhazred posted:She made one tasteless joke four years ago about his mother because she didn't know she was dead. That's pretty much all she has said publicly about him. Which makes The posts about her In this thread kinda weird. Forgive me if one retweet devoid of context isn't making up for an entire career of lovely culture-war criticism for me.
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I think that was basically the only time she mentioned Snyder, and she did the one thing where I've been looking at that whole clique of people and going "Uh, why are you guys just ignoring this?" so whatever.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Look I try to stay out of the idpol stuff and just stick to facts but "Geoff Johns wouldn't treat a black guy like poo poo because he's married to an Asian lady and half Lebanese" is really honestly throwing me for one. That is just an insane thing to say, in my opinion. Yeah it's a really oblivious statement made by someone who is not very smart
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Pirate Jet posted:Forgive me if one retweet devoid of context isn't making up for an entire career of lovely culture-war criticism for me. Making video essays about the transformers movies isn't culture war.
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Pirate Jet posted:Forgive me if one retweet devoid of context isn't making up for an entire career of lovely culture-war criticism for me. Her Hobbit series is loving rad and who gives a poo poo about Transformers videos?
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"Someone didn't like a movie and made a video about it" doesn't make them a monster, relax Especially when it's the loving Transformers movies Piell fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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I never said anything about the Transformers movies? I don’t think a single retweet with the comment “wow” about an issue that has been going on for the better part of a year is enough to make up for spending most of your career accusing someone, let alone all their fans, of being bigoted fascists based on superhero movies only to very clearly be wrong. If she actually starts offering some pushback, excellent. I doubt she will. Pirate Jet fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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As far as I can tell Lindsay Ellis has never made a video about any of Snyder's movies
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Pirate Jet posted:spending most of your career accusing someone, let alone all their fans, of being bigoted fascists based on superhero movies  ???
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Piell posted:As far as I can tell Lindsay Ellis has never made a video about any of Snyder's movies She has commented on them several times and I didn’t even make this about Ellis, I was talking about the entire circle of critics around her as a whole.
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Pirate Jet posted:What really steels my hatred of Ellis, Olson, Fish, Renegade Cut, and the entire Breadtube clique is that they all claim to be leftists or at least Democratic Socialists, but they hung their hat on the idea of liking Snyder flicks to be somehow morally bankrupt, so when an actual labor issue that might make Snyder look somewhat good comes along it’s dead silence (if not outright denying it.) You can hate Zack Snyder and still not be a tool who accuses the black actor with a history in labor organizing of being a liar, but it’s specifically incompatible with these people’s world views because they made a business off of turning this into a culture war. You might be able to throw your support behind Fisher if your videos were just about how Snyder isn’t your thing, but they’ve spent so long attaching him to fascism and other moral degeneracies that to back even just someone with good things to say about him throws their entire thesis into question. Pirate Jet posted:I never said anything about the Transformers movies? Pirate Jet posted:She has commented on them several times and I didn’t even make this about Ellis, I was talking about the entire circle of critics around her as a whole. If you're at the point where "commented on something several times" is the same as "spending most of your career" then perhaps Ellis (who is literally the first person you listed in your original post and the one directly referred to with the "wow" comment) isn't the person who is the problem. Piell fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Jan 15, 2021 |
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Piell posted:If you're at the point where "commented on something several times" is the same as "spending most of your career" then perhaps Ellis (who is literally the first person you listed in your original post and the one directly referred to with the "wow" comment) isn't the person who is the problem. Said person has also done the exact thing you're complaining about by retweeting Ray Fisher.
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Yeah, whatever bizarre ideological project Maggie Mae Fish et al have going on to convince people Zack Snyder movies are right wing, it doesn't sound like Lindsay Ellis is part of it. And God knows it's hardly unpopular to dislike Transformers!
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2house2fly posted:Yeah, whatever bizarre ideological project Maggie Mae Fish et al have going on to convince people Zack Snyder movies are right wing, it doesn't sound like Lindsay Ellis is part of it. And God knows it's hardly unpopular to dislike Transformers! Like I agree that there's more going on behind the scenes of the Bay Transformer films I just don't think that makes them any better as movies
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Pirate Jet posted:I never said anything about the Transformers movies? I think you may be confusing her with Maggie Mae Fish, because Ellis hasn't done anything like this. edit: Oh never mind, you listed Fish and Ellis as two separate people earlier, so that's not it. You're just imagining things she's done then.
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The big issue seems to be that Pirate Jet incorrectly lumped Ellis in with people who have done this, seems like a pretty correctable problem here and nothing for anyone to freak out over
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Alright - I concede on Ellis. You’re right, other than that lovely joke and some other unrelated criticisms there isn’t actually much evidence I was able to find. My bad, everyone.
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Hollywood execs are alleged to be absolutely poo poo to a black actor “Ahh yes, it’s the loving libs on YouTube who are wrong”
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Funny thing is the PS2's library hasn't aged the best in retrospect, last I heard. The Xbox at least has some weird and interesting stuff as they were willing to sign up with anyone to fill out their library, and the GameCube is a weird era of Nintendo being experimental while still using relatively normal hardware. Pretty much everything noteworthy the PS2 had was multi-platform or has been ported elsewhere, besides maybe the Ratchet and Clank and Jak and Daxter games. I honestly think that Ico and Shadow of the Colossus is enough to justify KVeezy3's claim.
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Alhazred posted:She made one tasteless joke four years ago about his mother because she didn't know she was dead. That's pretty much all she has said publicly about him. Which makes The posts about her In this thread kinda weird. iirc she also made a tweet after he left Justice League that ended up being really lovely since it was also public knowledge at that time that his daughter had committed suicide. also I don't believe Ellis has ever made any videos specifically about any Snyder films but I recall in a video she made about Fury Road that she spent a fair chunk of time establishing that Snyder doesn't know how to properly use foreshadowing/flashbacks because Clark's flashbacks in Man of Steel weren't done the way everyone else does them, or something.
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Alhazred posted:She made one tasteless joke four years ago about his mother because she didn't know she was dead. That's pretty much all she has said publicly about him. Which makes The posts about her In this thread kinda weird. This is exactly what I was referring to, because I'm usually always the first to bring that up (because such a deliberate lack of tact on her part has left a significant impression on me). But her standing up among the rest of the lovely YTers to put a spotlight on Ray's situation makes me kinda go and do a "huh, look at that poo poo" type deal.
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That, and her tearing out Movie bobs heart in real time and feeding it to him has made her ok in my book
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Aces High posted:iirc she also made a tweet after he left Justice League that ended up being really lovely since it was also public knowledge at that time that his daughter had committed suicide. also I don't believe Ellis has ever made any videos specifically about any Snyder films but I recall in a video she made about Fury Road that she spent a fair chunk of time establishing that Snyder doesn't know how to properly use foreshadowing/flashbacks because Clark's flashbacks in Man of Steel weren't done the way everyone else does them, or something. I like her videos even if I don't agree with her points in them but that one was a supremely low effort junk video by her standards. It just came down to "this this is bad" and even the point she was making with Fury Road was muddy and unclear. She didn't elaborate or explain anything. If it were a paper it'd come back with "Show your work" in big, red letters.
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Really not liking Wandavision. Is this the right place to discuss this? Anyways the whole thing is just "hey remember these old shows?" While forgetting that some of those old shows were actually funny and had like, jokes in them. I have pretty much no interest in watching the rest of it. I've recently been watching I Love Lucy on Hulu and that show is actually funny most of the time, so this really falls flat for me.
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SolidSnakesBandana posted:Really not liking Wandavision. Is this the right place to discuss this? Anyways the whole thing is just "hey remember these old shows?" While forgetting that some of those old shows were actually funny and had like, jokes in them. I have pretty much no interest in watching the rest of it. I've recently been watching I Love Lucy on Hulu and that show is actually funny most of the time, so this really falls flat for me. If you don't like it, you don't like it, but that's kind of a weird argument to me. It's definitely not staying in sitcom land and the trailers showed at least one character from another MCU movie set in present day.
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