Forceholy posted:

red pill for women?

indigi posted:

I’ve seen this said a few times now but I really don’t understand what it means

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

when did art/culture criticism get so loving bad? it’s just awful seeing poo poo like this and all the stuff (implicitly if not explicitly) arguing depiction == endorsement

https://twitter.com/harrytwalton/status/1349380681105895431?s=21

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

when did art/culture criticism get so loving bad? it’s just awful seeing poo poo like this and all the stuff (implicitly if not explicitly) arguing depiction == endorsement

quote:

Later that day, I had a white female student come to my office hours crying. Between picking up tissues and blowing her nose she said, "I'm doing a minor in African American Studies. How could your first images of black people be that horrible?" I told her that I understood her concerns. I went on to explain how the class was a historical look at sex on screen and as the reading for the class articulated, it was one of the first film's to show black people having sex and was important to film history. She still didn't get it. She said I had to show some positive images, otherwise it was unfair, that the other students weren't African American Studies minors so they didn't understand race politics as she did. I told her that I would bring a positive image to the next class to address her concerns. Finally, she smiled.

[...]

I also thought about a positive image of black sexuality and sex. I decided to show a clip from The Wire that shows Omar in bed with his boyfriend just after having sex, a tender moment where they kiss. Omar's character, a black, gay dude who steals from drug dealers, is a revolutionary representation of black masculinity that stands in stark contrast to SSBAS. I was excited to show it. I mean, it’s The Wire: who doesn't want to talk about The Wire?

I began class by talking briefly about learning through discomfort. The students were silent. I turned to them for questions about moments of feeling uncomfortable and how we could read these as productive. The student who came to my office raised her hand and asked, "Are we gonna talk about SSBAS."

“Yes,” I said, “but I want us to talk about any of the films that made people uncomfortable. Let’s discuss the discomfort." Her face fell. She started crying and ran out of the room. Her friend followed her. Right after she left I showed the scene with Omar. Later that day, she came to my office again, sobbing.

[...]

I went to get advice from a colleague in the department. He listened and said that during that time of the semester, students tended to get testy. He thought it was seasonal. I asked him if he ever had such a hard time with his students and he said, "No, I am an old white dude, I really think that as a young woman of color they probably just aren't afraid of you, they see you as a peer." For the record, I'm not that young but he may have been right. And here's the irony, all of the students who were upset were the feminists, the activists, and there they were, treating a woman of color professor like she wasn't an authority while treating old white dudes like they are.

Forceholy posted:

Isn't that subreddit just the red pill for women?

So that means it's guys masquerading as women who subscribe to the red pill.

Tubgoat posted:

Where do I find CSPAM-pilled broads? I'm done with liberals and their imperialist pop culture.

Wheeee posted:

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

when did art/culture criticism get so loving bad? it’s just awful seeing poo poo like this and all the stuff (implicitly if not explicitly) arguing depiction == endorsement

https://twitter.com/harrytwalton/status/1349380681105895431?s=21

Aglet56 posted:

somehow literature discourse on twitter just seems SO much worse than anything else. i mean, movie and music talk is pretty bad, but somehow it's also easier to just look at MCU fanboys or whatever and just dismiss them without letting it upset you. but not only are people's book opinions bad, but they're just so aggressively bad

Some Guy TT posted:

do we even have popular literature anymore

someone name a well known author who wasnt also well known in the twentieth century

Farm Frenzy posted:

femaledatingstrategy is a fun read. its not quite as overtly evil as manosphere poo poo but theyre the exact female equivalent of MGTOW guys. only they actually go on dates so theyve developed this entire taxonomy of being a 'high value woman' who cant tolerate 'low value' men who do things like split the bill

Toph Bei Fong posted:

Basically, I think it began when the trend of emotional reactions remaining unexamined and media criticism being reduced to a series of bullet points that needed to be checked off to be acceptable (what Eve Sedgwick called "Good Dog/Bad Dog" criticism) hit critical mass.

I recall reading an interesting essay about five years back where a black professor was trying to teach a Sex in Film class. She had a very interesting exercise set up where they would read an essay, then watch parts of Sweet Sweetback's Baadasssss Song, which features, among other things, the main character, as a child, being raped by a prostitute, and the kid grows up to be a sex god (among other things). The whole film can be read as a reaction to the victimization of black folks, with them retaking agency and being irrestably cool and sexually powerful. The child is played by the director's son, Mario Van Peebles, and the film is a landmark in black cinema. It was required viewing for the Black Panthers under Huey P. Newton, for example.

Well, the professor shows parts of the film, and after class, well...


The whole essay is really worth reading: https://www.salon.com/2015/10/28/i_..._this_would_be/

Some Guy TT posted:

it goes hand in hand with the popularization of the theory that capitalist cultural production can drive positive social change a notion that is now described as woke this theory necessitated interpreting films as if they were being observed by an extremely stupid and gullible person

gradenko_2000 posted:

I like how that post initially asserts that men don't read Atwood or Morrison except to get into women's pants, and then doubles-down on the bullshit by expanding the claim to include any woman who has ever written a book.

And by "like" I mean "wtf"

Dreylad posted:

that sounds like it's a bunch of people parodying liberal feminism but i should know better than to think it's anything but god's honest truth

Toph Bei Fong posted:

Basically, I think it began when the trend of emotional reactions remaining unexamined and media criticism being reduced to a series of bullet points that needed to be checked off to be acceptable (what Eve Sedgwick called "Good Dog/Bad Dog" criticism) hit critical mass. ...

The whole essay is really worth reading: https://www.salon.com/2015/10/28/i_..._this_would_be/

nonathlon posted:

That is a good essay. It captures something that I've been unable to articulate , an inability to stand back and consider parts of films and books and ask questions of them, to enjoy or dislike aspects, and thus an inability to ask what other people see in them.

Some Guy TT posted:

do we even have popular literature anymore

someone name a well known author who wasnt also well known in the twentieth century

Some Guy TT posted:

do we even have popular literature anymore

someone name a well known author who wasnt also well known in the twentieth century

vyelkin posted:

the guy who wrote that harry potter fanfiction, you know the one

Some Guy TT posted:

do we even have popular literature anymore

someone name a well known author who wasnt also well known in the twentieth century

Lib and let die posted:

You didn't say they had to be quality

vyelkin posted:

the guy who wrote that my little pony fanfiction, you know the one

vyelkin posted:

the guy who wrote that harry potter fanfiction, you know the one

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

when did art/culture criticism get so loving bad? it’s just awful seeing poo poo like this and all the stuff (implicitly if not explicitly) arguing depiction == endorsement

https://twitter.com/harrytwalton/status/1349380681105895431?s=21

Some Guy TT posted:

do we even have popular literature anymore

someone name a well known author who wasnt also well known in the twentieth century

Dreylad posted:

It's totally aesthetics-as-morality and it's absolutely nuts. I hate to even bring it up, but the Star Wars movies encapsulate the whole experience from a variety of people of different uh, ideological persuasions let's say.