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Hey y'all, Blood Diner is loving WILD. I found out about it thanks to Dom Griffin's youtube channel and it does not disappoint. Watch it.
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"Selling out" seems inextricably linked to the idea of selling of one's labour-power to an employer - if not synonymous with the concept. So the whole notion expresses a disdain for the working classes. e: on a completely unrelated note, 2010: The Year We Make Contact is some pretty wild stuff. SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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Jan 23, 2021 05:20
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CPL593H posted:Though the other side of that coin a good friend of mine is away left wing art school guy who got a fancy high paying job doing graphic design for an ad firm. So basically he "sold out". But the hours were very long and his entire life was just that job. It drained him completely and he just hated his life. He ended up taking a different job with a severe pay cut but now he has time for himself and works on his own personal stuff and it's just been better for him. He's happier now but rapidly running out of money. So I guess either way you sacrifice one thing or the other because capitalism is a poison that destroys lives, fulfillment, and creativity. That's me. I love having so much free time but I'm on extremely thin ice financially. Yolo
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Jan 23, 2021 05:28
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'Selling out' is a really loving funny idea in retrospect given millennials got stiffed on the pay for it, and younger generations don't even have the option. Boomers bought into the system designed to give them material comfort and immediately voted to let billionaires strip it for crack money.
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Jan 23, 2021 05:47
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:e: on a completely unrelated note, 2010: The Year We Make Contact is some pretty wild stuff. 2010 is both much better and significantly worse than its reputation would imply.
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Jan 23, 2021 07:36
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:2010 is both much better and significantly worse than its reputation would imply. It's mostly the score. 2010 is an extremely dope horror movie about soviet cosmonauts facing cosmic terror, but the score is inexplicably set to "spiritually uplifting". It's totally dissonant with what the movie's actually about. (That, and it's got that voiceover narration. And pretty much everything on Earth is whack.) Nonetheless, I love how the production design is this transitional form, gradually morphing 2001 into Alien.
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Jan 23, 2021 07:53
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Ghost Leviathan posted:'Selling out' is a really loving funny idea in retrospect given millennials got stiffed on the pay for it, and younger generations don't even have the option. Boomers bought into the system designed to give them material comfort and immediately voted to let billionaires strip it for crack money. It can be summed up by this fictional conversation between a Gen Xer and a Millennial: Gen X: Oh, my job is a soul-draining hellhole, for forty hours a week I have to go in and swallow my pride and self-worth for this paycheck. And the rest of my life will be like this! I’m gonna retire having done nothing with my life, just some guy with a house and wife and a couple kids and a couple cars and all these “markers” of “making it”. But it’s all hollow, man, all hollow! Millennial: lol sounds pretty sweet can I have your job then Gen X: ... no. Not until I get the old guy above me’s job, anyway. Fucker’s 73 and still going! Boomer: please let me die
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Jan 23, 2021 09:46
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Safety Factor posted:Uh... I think you might have that backwards. It’s been ages so it’s entirely possible!
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Jan 23, 2021 10:11
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therattle posted:It’s been ages so it’s entirely possible! I think they’re referring to “punching down” against “punching up”. You got them flipped so it sounds like you think it’s holding up because he’s knocking poor people
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Jan 23, 2021 10:16
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The Cameo posted:It can be summed up by this fictional conversation between a Gen Xer and a Millennial: Boomers still don't believe they will ever die Also their job positions are going with them with duties folded into the gen xer's position
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Jan 23, 2021 11:15
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The boomers' ultimate act of pulling the ladder up behind them will be that the last one won't die until the earth is a completely wasted shell unsuitable for human life.
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Jan 23, 2021 11:41
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last one to die turn off all the lights
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The Cameo posted:I think they’re referring to “punching down” against “punching up”. You got them flipped so it sounds like you think it’s holding up because he’s knocking poor people No no, I meant what I said. Making fun of the weak, poor and oppressed never gets old! (Sheeeeit, yes, I got it mixed up. Silly me!)
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Ghost Leviathan posted:'Selling out' is a really loving funny idea in retrospect given millennials got stiffed on the pay for it, and younger generations don't even have the option. Boomers bought into the system designed to give them material comfort and immediately voted to let billionaires strip it for crack money. But then if someone struggles as a result, "it's they own drat fault." Empathy doesn't enter into it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMib65Vqk4I Anyway, he was good in Ghostbusters and had a weird cameo in Exorcist III. PeterCat fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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Jan 23, 2021 16:15
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The Cameo posted:I think they’re referring to “punching down” against “punching up”. You got them flipped so it sounds like you think it’s holding up because he’s knocking poor people In all fairness he kind of is punching down, like he's a movie star and he's dragging some frat boys and other schmucks.
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Jan 23, 2021 20:11
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Baron von Eevl posted:In all fairness he kind of is punching down, like he's a movie star and he's dragging some frat boys and other schmucks. He’s not using his star power over them as they don’t recognise him, so he’s not really punching down. White frat boys are hardly an oppressed minority - they are the exemplar of straight white male privilege.
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Very true!
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:"Selling out" seems inextricably linked to the idea of selling of one's labour-power to an employer - if not synonymous with the concept. I've always had a soft spot for that film. Suffers from being an unnecessary sequel to an iconic film but it's pretty strong sci-fi aided by a cool style and amazing cast.
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Jan 23, 2021 20:40
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Baron von Eevl posted:In all fairness he kind of is punching down, like he's a movie star and he's dragging some frat boys and other schmucks. When Borat came out Sacha was only known to people who tuned into HBO to watch British comedy imports. His Hollywood film work prior to the movie was Madagascar in 2005 (and he was just the lemur king, so like the third tier of stars behind the main cast and the penguins), and being the rival in Talladega Nights three months before Borat came out. Borat made Sacha Baron Cohen into a movie star. It’s also why he was able to pull off the whole thing so well, 99% of America had no clue who the character or Sacha was (despite him having won an Emmy with his writing staff - including Seth Rogen - for Da Ali G Show in 2005, which of course featured both Borat and Brüno in segments).
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Jan 23, 2021 21:10
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Baron von Eevl posted:In all fairness he kind of is punching down, like he's a movie star and he's dragging some frat boys and other schmucks. Ok, lets not go crazy here. Before Borat, Cohen was a UK television star That is not a movie star. That's barely a celebrity.
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Jan 23, 2021 21:22
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:It's mostly the score. Cosmic terror and cosmic wonder are never too far apart in any case. The entire Discovery segment of 2001 is a horror story (computer goes crazy and kills people), and Prometheus does a lot of swinging from wonder to horror. (Come to think of it, Forbidden Planet has a monster, Solaris has some horror-adjacent moments, etc.) In some ways what makes Alien different from all these is just that it doesn't play the initial discovery for wonder (and the crew don't want to gain knowledge, they're there because their contracts require it.) And even then- well something compels Kane to make that descent into the chamber. I think by that point he's genuinely curious.
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Jan 23, 2021 21:32
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Gripweed posted:Ok, lets not go crazy here. Before Borat, Cohen was a UK television star That is not a movie star. That's barely a celebrity. Maybe the US didn't care about Ali G, but Europe did. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sdz2oW0NMFk
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Jan 23, 2021 21:41
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Even so, "having been a guest on 8 Out Of 10 cats and the German version of 8 Out Of 10 Cats" does not put someone in a position of privilege in America.
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Jan 23, 2021 21:46
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I think the number of people I know who were aware of Borat/Baron Cohen prior to the movie was 3-4 at best. I was pretty hyped about the movie coming because I was a big fan of Da Ali G show.
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Jan 23, 2021 21:49
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:"Selling out" seems inextricably linked to the idea of selling of one's labour-power to an employer - if not synonymous with the concept. I'm not sure I'd go that far, since the question ultimately comes down to the perception of what one is selling, and to whom. To give a rather lackluster example: Obama sold out the working class by gaining power through denouncing the economic policies that he later reinforced once he no longer needed their support. KVeezy3 fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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What got me thinking about the changes in selling out discourse in the last 20 years is a recent (actually almost a year ago but time has lost all meaning) conversations with my friend and collaborator where he said something along the lines of ,,I might be an unemployed loser on disability but at least I don't work in loving advertising." After we saw a saccharine bank commercial at the movies. And how every other thing nowadays is #sponsoredcontent and the line between art and advertisment has become so vague that Adorno and Horkheimer would probably explode. It's understandable (a man's gotta eat) but I don't know if understandable means it's a good thing. It reminds me of how just before the financial collapse the arts in Iceland were heavily financed by the banks, which some or you might've heard were a bit corrupt, and as such artists were very vary of criticising any of that or making any work that could be even vaguely read as political. One dude did and was essentially black listed by his colleagues for rocking the boat. FreudianSlippers fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Jan 24, 2021 |
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Jan 24, 2021 01:28
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FreudianSlippers posted:I might be an unemployed loser on disability but at least I don't work in loving advertising." This is a really low bar. And I'm saying that as someone who is long term unemployed and on disability
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Jan 24, 2021 04:13
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'At least I don't work in x' doesn't really work anymore now it's pretty clear 'no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism' also applies to work.
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Only sell your soul in the thinnest slices.
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See this is what I mean. The stigma of selling out has been largely replaced by widespread acceptance that everything sucks and it's impossible to have integrity if you want to survive. Some of us use that as fuel to try to change the system but largely that "wisdom" was just used to denigrate anyone trying to do anything but submit to the system as hypocritical, lazy, naive or "probably rich or something". It was never a case of people trying to shame someone for working at burger king, it was always people being mad someone dared to question the new orthodoxy created by the early 90s recession, where basically you need to eat poo poo to live because all the good jobs went away. I'll take misguided idealism over resigned cynical smugness any day.
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Jan 24, 2021 12:52
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Ghost Leviathan posted:'At least I don't work in x' doesn't really work anymore now it's pretty clear 'no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism' also applies to work. I hate this argument. It suggests that because nothing is good, everything is equally bad. I just don’t think that’s true.
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therattle posted:I hate this argument. It suggests that because nothing is good, everything is equally bad. I just don’t think that’s true. It's the most lazy form of pessimism and it feels pretty widespread among millennials.
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therattle posted:I hate this argument. It suggests that because nothing is good, everything is equally bad. I just don’t think that’s true. No that's not what "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism means". It means that you personally can't do good in the world by shopping at Trader Joes instead of Target. The burden is not on you to live a moral life through your consumption because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. It all feeds the same machine. It's not your responsibility to find the right things to buy to be a good person, because the entire idea that you can be a good person by buying the right things is just marketing.
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Gripweed posted:No that's not what "there's no ethical consumption under capitalism means". It means that you personally can't do good in the world by shopping at Trader Joes instead of Target. The burden is not on you to live a moral life through your consumption because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. It all feeds the same machine. It's not your responsibility to find the right things to buy to be a good person, because the entire idea that you can be a good person by buying the right things is just marketing. I believe the rattle is quite right with respect to how the argument frequently gets deployed.
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Jan 24, 2021 14:16
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I watched Promising Young Woman and it’s really good. The ending could be a little tighter but overall it’s a fantastic Carey Mulligan performance and what else do you really need? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i5kiFDunk8
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Jan 24, 2021 19:03
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Josh Lyman posted:I watched Promising Young Woman and it’s really good. The ending could be a little tighter but overall it’s a fantastic Carey Mulligan performance and what else do you really need? I can't exactly tell from the trailer, but is it a "look how awful literally every single man is" type movie?
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I remember seeing the trailer for that in theaters (lol) and I had no idea that was Carey Mulligan. Then again I have that classic goon face blindness.
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