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rjmccall posted:yeah, i mean it’s pretty intuitively obvious that people’s personalities are similar or different in various ways, and those traits drive a lot of things about them, and if you ask people to self-assess in as non-leading a way as possible then they’ll probably be mostly honest despite undoubtedly the occasional aspirational answer. so it’s not surprising to me that it’s a useful tool despite being grossly flawed especially theoretically people routinely get very different results on these tests when taken on different days
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except for extraversion/introversion! only you cant sell a test for 60 bux if its just that one so you gotta pull poo poo out of your rear end
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All these dumb personality tests get introversion/extroversion wrong though because, like basically every other psychological phenomenon, it's a continuum with a bell curve distribution. Almost no one is a pure introvert or pure extrovert. 2/3 of the population is somewhere in the middle and likes being alone sometimes and social at other times. The MBTI also suggests that some attitudes are exclusive of another when they clearly aren't. Why are thinking and feeling supposedly two ends of a spectrum? Can you not think about things logically and also feel emotions? It's purely management zodiac designed for HR people to slot employees into different boxes. This guy is a Cold Emotionless Robot but he's good at Brainy Logic whereas this woman is a Ditzy Airhead but she's Good With People. This will be the dissertation topic of my PhD in human resources Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Jan 23, 2021 |
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ima tell you about the independence and identicality of psychological variables: none of them are independent and none of them are identical. binet iq is distributed lognormally empirically forex. its my fav explanation for the forer effect, "ur distributional ansatz is wrong and you should feel bad" those tails are fat. both left and right tail
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bob dobbs is dead posted:ima tell you about the independence and identicality of psychological variables: none of them are independent and none of them are identical. binet iq is distributed lognormally empirically forex. its my fav explanation for the forer effect, "ur distributional ansatz is wrong and you should feel bad" I understand this post but I loving hate the way you wrote it
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yah ive been trying to type and post worse lately its been goin well
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i think the thing about these traits being continuums and interrelated (and dependent on how you’re overall feeling, and subject to legit change over time) is exactly why people get different results all the time. that’s a big part of what i mean by the theory being nonsense, and if you read meyers and briggs about it, it’s clear that they buy into the worst conceptions of it the management theory part is interesting. on the one hand it’a a huge grift like all management theory and the idea of putting people in a box based on their personality testing is terrible bullshit. on the other hand if it gets a manager thinking about how to deal with their reports as individuals with differences instead of demanding that they conform to a single idealized stereotype then it’s actually good despite all that
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rjmccall posted:if it gets a manager thinking about how to deal with their reports as individuals with differences instead of demanding that they conform to a single idealized stereotype then it’s actually good despite all that (narrator voice) this did not happen
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i just took the big 5 test and it just shows me a bunch of bars. wtf. where is my horoscope
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if you can't list 5 celebrities with the same whorls and voids in their brains as mine, how am i supposed to draw anything actionable from this online quiz
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myers-briggs may well be lovely science but it's an excellent replacement for horoscopes and blood types and dnd alignments people really like putting each other into fictional categories, for whatever reason. and if they get attached to sorta questionable science, that's a massive upgrade over getting attached to superstition in terms of general cultural level kind of like how the neil tyson-retweeting IFLS kids are cringey but still way, way healthier than if they had been parroting some ignorant actor or singer's platitudes
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NihilCredo posted:myers-briggs may well be lovely science but it's an excellent replacement for horoscopes and blood types and dnd alignments use 5-factor ocean instead if you want something that replicates deec for psychology or just use the e part cuz thats the part we're sure actually exists lol
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NihilCredo posted:myers-briggs may well be lovely science but it's an excellent replacement for horoscopes and blood types and dnd alignments i'd rather my bosses be into horoscopes and blood types than the mbti, it'd be more interesting and without the veneer of respectability granted by it's sciency-ness
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Oneiros posted:i'd rather my bosses be into horoscopes and blood types than the mbti, it'd be more interesting and without the veneer of respectability granted by it's sciency-ness thats nice but then they go and ask for a blood sacrifice to make sales go up
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MrGilbert 72 days ago | parent [–] | on: RIP Google Music I get the feeling that age discrimination is the new "black & white". "Oh, you are born in this decade, so you must be doing X". Yeah, whatever. I'm doing X because I like to do it. I'm an "ageing millenial" per GPs definition (so with mid-30 I'm old?), yet I'm well aware of TikTok and such. I'm so sick of it. - MrGilbert 72 days ago [–] > Comparing age with racial discrimination can only be done from privilege. What leads you to this conclusion? --- hacker news in a nutshell can't wait to see the age-ghettos and the transit systems literally being built specifically to exclude old people /s
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hobbesmaster posted:people routinely get very different results on these tests when taken on different days Sorry for the triple-post, but can you link me to the source for that? The only meta-study I can find at a cursory glance (I don't have all the materials I gathered back then, tbh) is from 2017 where they state: 1. There hasn't been a systematic meta-study performed previously that meets the Cochrane Collaboration's guidelines (Although I guess it's just Cochrane these days? that's still really weird to me). 2. Of the 221 studies they found meeting their criteria, three were of that exact metric -- test-retest reliability, and the results came out slightly below the general standard for acceptable reliability for T/F (.612), but just above the standard for for the other scales (I/E was .764, J/P was .775, N/S was .753). The standard that they reference is at .70 or greater, so it only just passes the bar mind you They do mention however that the samples were all white, cishet, middle-class college students, and recommend that if more tests are done they're not from a heterogenous population -- but most psychology studies suffer from that (I've forgotten the actual acronym that they use? but they include "living in a democracy" in it which, l o l). https://www.jstor.org/stable/26554264
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alexandriao posted:thats nice but then they go and ask for a blood sacrifice to make sales go up ima note that the peeps who made the blood sacrifices in mesoamerica were mainly the emperors, the mass sacrifice was kinda a sideshow and it had to be blood from their dick
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I took a test and it said I was a loser and I don't know how anyone could deny thats scientifically accurate
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i took one of those dumb personality tests because the boss's wife demanded every employee do it (i had been working there for seven years at this point) and she reportedly got mad and was close to demanding that i re-take it "seriously this time" because clearly i had lied the first time
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echinopsis posted:I took a test and it said I was a loser and I don't know how anyone could deny thats scientifically accurate 
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alexandriao posted:MrGilbert 72 days ago | parent [–] | on: RIP Google Music The only type of discrimination that exists is when it's done to a white tech bros in his 30s.
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Zamujasa posted:i took one of those dumb personality tests because the boss's wife demanded every employee do it (i had been working there for seven years at this point) and she reportedly got mad and was close to demanding that i re-take it "seriously this time" because clearly i had lied the first time one of my co-levels at a different job took a hr personality test that said they were a “Type A boss” type and so had our entire business group take the test so their employees could identify their own type and read how that type can accommodate their “type a boss” personality i took it and got the “awesome coworker who makes everything better” type and got accused of cheating
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echinopsis posted:I took a test and it said I was a loser and I don't know how anyone could deny thats scientifically accurate that was a mirror
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sorry boss, I don't like it either, but the tests don't lie. I'm an entj with mercury rising too, and this office ain't big enough for the both of us
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alexandriao posted:Sorry for the triple-post, but can you link me to the source for that? The only meta-study I can find at a cursory glance (I don't have all the materials I gathered back then, tbh) is from 2017 where they state: idk I just read this https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die
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Oneiros posted:i'd rather my bosses be into horoscopes and blood types than the mbti, it'd be more interesting and without the veneer of respectability granted by it's sciency-ness I got you covered. I wrote a script that scrapes a newspaper’s horoscope and replaces astrological terms with tech ones with regexes and it works fine: https://ferd.ca/horoscope.html
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NihilCredo posted:myers-briggs may well be lovely science but it's an excellent replacement for horoscopes and blood types and dnd alignments
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Never mind not opening this can of worms
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MononcQc posted:I got you covered. I wrote a script that scrapes a newspaper’s horoscope and replaces astrological terms with tech ones with regexes and it works fine: holy poo poo this is hilarious. bookmarked hobbesmaster posted:idk I just read this https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die I mean a fair number of those points are orthogonal to how it *could* be used, and excluding the one or two valid arguments there, the rest either do not have the data to back them up (newer studies conflict with their findings, etc.) or can be used against the psychometric tests that they recommend at the end. At the same time, it's very likely too heavily embedded in management culture to feasibly recover, so I'm glad on some level that people are ditching it. It's just not accurate at all to say that it's "equivalent to horoscopes", because it is on a number of levels, within some margins, "accurate" -- whereas horoscopes have *no* basis. Probably the last I'll say though for fear of gumming up the thread. Sorry folks 
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the 'myers' of 'myers-briggs' wrote a couple of detective novels back in the day, the second one was about a rich family whose members kept killing themselves and the big reveal as to why was that they had a black ancestor whose blood was in their veins
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fritz posted:the 'myers' of 'myers-briggs' wrote a couple of detective novels back in the day, the second one was about a rich family whose members kept killing themselves and the big reveal as to why was that they had a black ancestor whose blood was in their veins Chris Knight posted:it's just corporate phrenology
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management theory is just astrology for dudes who wear patagonia vests
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fritz posted:the 'myers' of 'myers-briggs' wrote a couple of detective novels back in the day, the second one was about a rich family whose members kept killing themselves and the big reveal as to why was that they had a black ancestor whose blood was in their veins mama mia
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fritz posted:the 'myers' of 'myers-briggs' wrote a couple of detective novels back in the day, the second one was about a rich family whose members kept killing themselves nice!   fritz posted:and the big reveal as to why was that they had a black ancestor whose blood was in their veins loving yikes! 
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MononcQc posted:I got you covered. I wrote a script that scrapes a newspaper’s horoscope and replaces astrological terms with tech ones with regexes and it works fine: this is wonderful, thank you for sharing
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quote:>This pardon is strongly supported by James Ramsey, Peter Thiel, Miles Ehrlich, Amy Craig, Michael Ovitz, Palmer Luckey, Ryan Petersen, Ken Goldberg, Mike Jensen, Nate Schimmel, Trae Stephens, Blake Masters, and James Proud, among others. quote:... or maybe they are competent and knows how to advance the public good. quote:ah yes, so much public good comes from rich people being allowed to commit crime. quote:mm sure do you think the USA would have beat the Soviets to the moon had it not been for this guy: Wernher von Braun? (about the guy who decided google was too darn ethical so he nabbed a bunch of lidar schematics and left for uber...)
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not_a_moth 43 minutes ago [–] Being watched and served recommendations is not the revolutionary paradigm for computers imo. reply Forge36 19 minutes ago [–] Why not? reply
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suffix posted:(about the guy who decided google was too darn ethical so he nabbed a bunch of lidar schematics and left for uber...) you so rarely see a reverse Godwin’s law invocation any more
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