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Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin
I love Arrietty, it has probably my favourite musical score of any Ghibli film

I wish it had a third act though. Some adventures outside of the house that aren’t just a montage during the end credits

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Sivart13
May 18, 2003
I have neglected to come up with a clever title
Have y'all watched those Pixar popcorn shorts?

I was hoping for something like Forky Asks A Question which is legitimately good, but these were extremely underwhelming. They hardly whelmed at all.

Lack of dialog makes it feel like a bunch of student films or a screensaver. I think prior to Disney+ these would be relegated to a deep menu in the Pixar 30th Anniversary Blu-Ray or something. Hardly seems like something that merits a press release, let alone a trailer.

I think an oral history of this project would be more interesting than the output itself. The resulting shorts make sense as something to tool up the junior staff, figure out WFH protocols, and keep people busy while they finish pre-production on whatever film these people will work on.

I did like the parts with the lamp though.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord

Pick posted:

I think it's literally just Miyazaki's nihilism. He's not happy about it but doesn't see it stopping. He's also an old man, so he's had plenty of time to see it not stop.

I think most of his movies are set at the end of one era where it's the very final days of one way of living as a new way takes over. A new generation meeting a dying way of life and ending up moving on and not reversing the decline but taking some part of it to assimilate into the modern world.

I think it makes sense, many of his movies are about childhood, and childhood ending, and that itself is a fact of life that is bittersweet. And his own childhood was during and immediately after world war II, and that is a lot more confusing narrative for a Japanese person. In the US, the story you get if you are 80 is "america was great, then we were the good guys, then america got even better!", while if you are 80 and japanese trying to talk about the world changing from your childhood it's a really mixed mess of "we were a bunch of fishing villages that turned into a military industrial superpower real quick, but it was bad, but we made cool planes, and we got utterly destroyed for it, but then we turned into a technological superpower and now everyone's life is much better than it was, but also worse, and we did it and that is good but also it happened because we did something bad, but it had to happen to get here, so I'm glad it happened but also it was bad" and I think that sort of very ambivalent, "it's good bad things are happening but now everything is better but also worse" makes a lot of sense as a theme for him.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

I think most of his movies are set at the end of one era where it's the very final days of one way of living as a new way takes over. A new generation meeting a dying way of life and ending up moving on and not reversing the decline but taking some part of it to assimilate into the modern world.

I think it makes sense, many of his movies are about childhood, and childhood ending, and that itself is a fact of life that is bittersweet. And his own childhood was during and immediately after world war II, and that is a lot more confusing narrative for a Japanese person. In the US, the story you get if you are 80 is "america was great, then we were the good guys, then america got even better!", while if you are 80 and japanese trying to talk about the world changing from your childhood it's a really mixed mess of "we were a bunch of fishing villages that turned into a military industrial superpower real quick, but it was bad, but we made cool planes, and we got utterly destroyed for it, but then we turned into a technological superpower and now everyone's life is much better than it was, but also worse, and we did it and that is good but also it happened because we did something bad, but it had to happen to get here, so I'm glad it happened but also it was bad" and I think that sort of very ambivalent, "it's good bad things are happening but now everything is better but also worse" makes a lot of sense as a theme for him.

I agree with all of this. I like that it's nuanced and hard to unwrap.

It's why his movies get folded into films like Where the Wild Things Are or The Last Unicorn, where there's going to be an individualized reading because the film is legitimately about a lot of things.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

A lot of his films leave me with a feeling of a person telling you a story they don't like where it ends up but telling it to you anyway and there is a melancholy resignation for what is being lost so the ending can happen seeps through all facets. Which worked great for me in Princess Mononoke but like dogshit in Spirited Away.

So yeah, it lives in the Last Unicorn zone.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
I love a lot of his work but When Marnie Was There is an absolute favorite of mine and it's pretty much just "life is complicated and :shrug:"

It weirdly reminds me of Russian Doll where it's like, "everyone's sorta bad and worried that they're worse and desperately trying to find a reason to live amidst tremendous fear that they're alone"

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

I think most of his movies are set at the end of one era where it's the very final days of one way of living as a new way takes over. A new generation meeting a dying way of life and ending up moving on and not reversing the decline but taking some part of it to assimilate into the modern world.

I think it makes sense, many of his movies are about childhood, and childhood ending, and that itself is a fact of life that is bittersweet. And his own childhood was during and immediately after world war II, and that is a lot more confusing narrative for a Japanese person. In the US, the story you get if you are 80 is "america was great, then we were the good guys, then america got even better!", while if you are 80 and japanese trying to talk about the world changing from your childhood it's a really mixed mess of "we were a bunch of fishing villages that turned into a military industrial superpower real quick, but it was bad, but we made cool planes, and we got utterly destroyed for it, but then we turned into a technological superpower and now everyone's life is much better than it was, but also worse, and we did it and that is good but also it happened because we did something bad, but it had to happen to get here, so I'm glad it happened but also it was bad" and I think that sort of very ambivalent, "it's good bad things are happening but now everything is better but also worse" makes a lot of sense as a theme for him.

I gotta see Royal Space Force again, now that I've finally watched all of Evangelion

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

Arrietty and Marnie are both not Miyazaki films.

Not Keyser Soze
Mar 7, 2007

Endless Celestial Sex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VIZ89FEjYI

The only way I can think of to describe this Raya and the Last Dragon trailer is someone trying to explain some interesting and original world building while someone else just screams in your ear "MORE PUNCH UP!"

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
I think that looks awesome. I love all the character designs

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
Yeah it looks beautiful - i wasn't quite into it until the second half the of the trailer. I'm always down for some girls kickin' rear end with no princes in sight

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

Owlofcreamcheese posted:

I think it makes sense, many of his movies are about childhood, and childhood ending, and that itself is a fact of life that is bittersweet. And his own childhood was during and immediately after world war II, and that is a lot more confusing narrative for a Japanese person. In the US, the story you get if you are 80 is "america was great, then we were the good guys, then america got even better!", while if you are 80 and japanese trying to talk about the world changing from your childhood it's a really mixed mess of "we were a bunch of fishing villages that turned into a military industrial superpower real quick, but it was bad, but we made cool planes, and we got utterly destroyed for it, but then we turned into a technological superpower and now everyone's life is much better than it was, but also worse, and we did it and that is good but also it happened because we did something bad, but it had to happen to get here, so I'm glad it happened but also it was bad" and I think that sort of very ambivalent, "it's good bad things are happening but now everything is better but also worse" makes a lot of sense as a theme for him.

One thing I picked up on when watching some older anime ('70s ish) is that they do the thing modern cartoons do where the younger characters often just have the one parent, but the reason is often obliquely hinted to be because their other parent died in the war.

Fartington Butts
Jan 21, 2007


Hey I've seen that sword before

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Vegetable posted:

Arrietty and Marnie are both not Miyazaki films.
Miyazaki didn't cowrite the script?

FunkyAl
Mar 28, 2010

Your vitals soar.
I like GORO miyazaki's earthsea movie because it feels like an atheist response to the magic naturalism in Miyazaki films, with the earthsea plot device/perspective of disappearing magic conveyed diagetically with the sound design and the still, detailed shots and paintings. And the climax being talking a man covered in black goop away from falling into a hole. Which also visually but not exactly is like the climax of the first book! A more exact adaptation is when you fight shadow link in ocarina of time lol.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Earthsea is weird because watching it I enjoyed a lot of the imagery, but for some reason the whole film felt weak. I can't really point to what it was that screwed it up for me.

I wish they had done just a straight adaption of the first Earthsea book.

Macaluso
Sep 23, 2005

I HATE THAT HEDGEHOG, BROTHER!
Now that I'm home from work and properly watching the Raya trailer on a normal screen, there are some things I noticed:

I didn't realize but the Mulan villain lookin dude is totally on Raya's side, he's not a villain at all (as far as the trailer is concerned)
The shot of Raya going into that temple, and the shot that is looking up at her when she throws her cloak and hat away is so sick. I absolutely love that entire part of the trailer.
Related, I also loved that little sword flip she does from that scene they show near the end. At about 2:07 she does this spin, I imagine her whip form turning back into sword form, and it looks cool as hell.
Love the dragon's design even more now that I'm looking on a computer screen. Her face design feels VERY familiar, but I can't place what it reminds me of.
I hope there's a substantial amount of time with her fighting with her sword. The few shots of it against the villain looked extremely cool.

Shneak
Mar 6, 2015

A sad Professor Plum
sitting on a toilet.
Raya looks like it has an insane amount of worldbuilding for a 90 minute movie.

hiddenriverninja
May 10, 2013

life is locomotion
keep moving
trust that you'll find your way

A huge chunk of the initial teaser trailer is focused on young Raya-in-training which I found a little boring, but I'm totally digging the vibe of the new trailer.

Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin
That looks fuckin amazing :aaa:

BonoMan
Feb 20, 2002

Jade Ear Joe
My biggest problem with that trailer on second rewatch - the con baby section is not funny at all and it's the first 35 seconds of the trailer

Robindaybird
Aug 21, 2007

Neat. Sweet. Petite.

Emperor's New Groove is twenty years old.

Megera
Sep 9, 2008
I hate that MLP dragon's unsettling Elsa face, but everything else looks great

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
I hate the con baby, but I love the pacing, design, animation of Raya. She flows like she's confident, cool, and full of brimming energy.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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What ... is a con baby


Is this referring to the pillbug thing with the cutesy teddy bear face?

Google is not helpful at all

Phylodox
Mar 30, 2006



College Slice

Data Graham posted:

What ... is a con baby

The baby pulling a con job in the beginning of the trailer.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Oh. Well crap, I was watching the wrong trailer, lmao.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BPMTr-NS9s

This one's much older I guess

CelticPredator
Oct 11, 2013
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Robindaybird posted:

Emperor's New Groove is twenty years old.

Opening day in the theater baby!

perepelki
Dec 11, 2020

know before Whom you stand
i am stoked to see all the weird porn of that dragon

e: that sounded snide. it's not. weird porn is legitimately one of my favourite things about living in the 21st century

perepelki fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Jan 27, 2021

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
what if PEOPLE have to save THEMSELVES without GODS :aaa:

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
through LISTENING

Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin

perepelki posted:

i am stoked to see all the weird porn of that dragon

e: that sounded snide. it's not. weird porn is legitimately one of my favourite things about living in the 21st century

If we still had a deviantart thread we could be looking at it right now

ThermoPhysical
Dec 26, 2007



Pick posted:

what if PEOPLE have to save THEMSELVES without GODS :aaa:

Not gonna lie, I'd watch a Disney / Pixar movie without magic or weird tech or superpowers and they have to talk and listen.

It'd be surreal only because there's no magic or anything.

Just force em to do a good story without any of that stuff.

Though I guess that's Zootopia.

Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin
Hey greatest news ever time

https://twitter.com/WhatsOnHBOMax/status/1353292844652515329?s=20

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It is a lovely night in Gotham, and you are a horrible Batman.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

perepelki posted:

i am stoked to see all the weird porn of that dragon

e: that sounded snide. it's not. weird porn is legitimately one of my favourite things about living in the 21st century

I appreciate the speed of it appearing these days too. I remember someone had porn up of some guy character 20 minutes after the trailer premiered. The artist was quite proud of their feat and rightfully so.

Kart Barfunkel
Nov 10, 2009



Awful, if true.

Hedrigall
Mar 27, 2008

by vyelkin

The_Doctor posted:

I appreciate the speed of it appearing these days too. I remember someone had porn up of some guy character 20 minutes after the trailer premiered. The artist was quite proud of their feat and rightfully so.

https://twitter.com/Kekeflipnote/status/1234180463259987968

Bootleg Trunks
Jun 12, 2020

AN batman

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The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Kéké definitely has a NSFW account, despite all his protestations. :colbert:

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