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Why is Ax talking about the telephone being modern? Andalites can't even use a telephone.nine-gear crow posted:For a crushing example of how time, technology and the internet have moved on since this book was written, here’s a tweet from Michael Grant getting pissed off at Dropbox like a weird old boomer I also dislike Dropbox and get confused by it, even though I work as a web programmer. I work a university where many of the researchers use Dropbox, and on the occasions where I also need to use it (which isn't that common, but sometimes someone is using it to make a file available or something) it always takes me some time to figure out. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Jan 27, 2021 |
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Ytlaya posted:Why is Ax talking about the telephone being modern? Andalites can't even use a telephone. Maybe that's why Ax thinks it's so much more modern. They had to invent the telepathic telephone or something.
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This Jake getting swatted stuff is the worst body horror yet. Like that actually made me kind of light-headed to read. I'm thinking that maybe I never reached this book as a kid, because this is way worse than the ant thing but I don't remember it.Epicurius posted:He made the decision. I think in a lot of ways, this is the most painful book so far for me. It feels like Jake is trying to act like he feels like a leader should act instead of being a leader...and of course, the whole time, he's just psychologically a mess here. This is why I like Jake and disagree with the people who think he's boring. The books are very good about conveying the reader Jake's stress/tension.
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Ytlaya posted:This is why I like Jake and disagree with the people who think he's boring. The books are very good about conveying the reader Jake's stress/tension. The books are good about that. I do think Jake's characterization suffers, though, because its hard to get a clear idea what he's like other than the leader of the Animorphs. The rest of them have strong enough personalities that, if the Yeerks hadn't invaded, I could tell you what they're like. Jake, on the other hand, his strongest traits outside of his role in the Animorphs is that he likes sports and idolizes his brother.
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Animorphs-Book 16:The Warning-Chapter 15quote:You think you’ve seen big houses? You haven’t seen anything till you’ve seen the home of Joe Bob Fenestre, WAA founder and megabillionaire. I think if you take anything from the Animorph books, it's that flying is awesome. quote:But at the same time I was noticing details with my laser-focus falcon’s eyes: three separate fences. One around the perimeter of the entire compound, woods, gardens, pool, tennis courts, and all. Then a second fence about twenty yards inside the first fence. And finally, a third fence just around the house and its lawn. Even for somebody paranoid, that seems paranoid. Chapter 16 quote:Rachel! Trapped! Eh, I don't know that he's entirely to blame, It's very Jake to be thinking that, though.
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Epicurius posted:The books are good about that. I do think Jake's characterization suffers, though, because its hard to get a clear idea what he's like other than the leader of the Animorphs. The rest of them have strong enough personalities that, if the Yeerks hadn't invaded, I could tell you what they're like. Jake, on the other hand, his strongest traits outside of his role in the Animorphs is that he likes sports and idolizes his brother. Yeah, but I think this is kind of deliberate and speaks to the way he's influenced by the burden of being the leader - he basically can't be himself and have much in the way of honest one-on-one interactions with other characters, since he feels like all the burden of having to "manage the group" falls on him. The rest of the team has the "freedom" to experience their own emotions/opinions towards the things they're doing because they can rely on Jake to make the decisions and carry the responsibility for their outcomes. Like in a non-Jake book it's usually about the character in question talking about their experience doing whatever the mission is and how they feel about it, while Jake is constantly occupied with making choices and managing the rest of the group. Even when he jokes with Marco, it always feels kind of forced, like he's trying to play-act normalcy or something (which we basically see to an exaggerated extent in this book where he's basically traumatized after the fly thing).
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quote:<Leave him!> I yelled. Goddamn. Is that the coldest leadership decision so far?
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quote:<Jake, do it! Do it now! Right now! Become human.> Jake has this reaction somewhat frequently, doesn't he? Off the top of my head I remember one of the last books in the series where a controller shoots him point-blank in the head with a handgun and miraculously doesn't kill him instantly, but Marco is screaming at him to demorph. His reaction is more or less the same. <Demorph? Oh, yeah... Yeah, right.>
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Shishkahuben posted:Jake has this reaction somewhat frequently, doesn't he? Off the top of my head I remember one of the last books in the series where a controller shoots him point-blank in the head with a handgun and miraculously doesn't kill him instantly, but Marco is screaming at him to demorph. His reaction is more or less the same. <Demorph? Oh, yeah... Yeah, right.> I think the idea is that the trauma left him in shock and disassociating. So he can follow orders if he's given them, but he doesn't have the initiative to come up with it himself.
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quote:“No way,” Marco said. “That guy hangs out in chat rooms? If I were him, I’d spend my day rolling around in big stacks of hundred-dollar bills, paying Michael Jordan to come over and teach me how to improve my three-point shot -” i have bad news for Marco about how it turns out billionaires really spend their time once Twitter is invented
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The thing that really stands out here (very end of series spoilers!) is that Marco genuinely does become a billionaire playboy with a sick-rear end mansion
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# ? Jan 28, 2021 05:13 |
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Animorphs-Book 16:The Warning-Chapter 17quote:We joined up, those of us who were left, on the roof of a Wendy’s a quarter mile away. We hid there behind rooftop air conditioners and exhaust fans, amid the smell of grease and the rippling heat. I mean, stuff has gone wrong and they're panicking, especially Jake, who knows he's over his head. Chapter 18 quote:I flew as fast as my falcon body could carry me, which was pretty fast. But the wind was against me. I tried to tell myself it would all work out because on the way back the wind would be with me. But who can tell with the wind? See, that''s also sad that he's thinking that. It's his guilt speaking. quote:Cassie had been right all along. We should have tried to save Gump. That would have been the easy thing to do. Instead I had to try and play the big general and decide to go after Fenestre, even without any preparation. So, isn't morphing supposed to be exhausting? That's a big part of the reason they can't usually switch back and forth from morph to morph quickly? It seems really, I dunno, fortunate of Jake here.
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You can push through exhaustion with adrenaline, I guess. I remember this book mostly for its extremely dated internet chat room, but this is actually a really impressively tense, serious situation that I'd forgotten all about. (Minor quibble here is that it would make way more sense for Tobias to acquire the rhino but hey, it's a Jake book).
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quote:<Yeah. I need a morph that can go straight through those fences, through the doors, and take a couple of bullets if need be. You have a better idea?> (of course, Rachel got dibs on the elephant, so he can't do that. Gotta be new!)
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Gun Jam posted:Elephant? If you're feeling charitable, you could assume that the elephant exhibit is a lot more exposed and more popular, and they had a better shot with the rhino. Rachel acquired her elephant through the employee entrance, after all. (but, yes, the real reason is almost certainly that the big morph Jake gets for the climax of this book can't be one we've seen before)
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Yeah, they constantly talk about how morphing several times in a row makes you exhausted, but they are also consistently doing it and just fighting through the exhaustion. They seem to do that a lot with the rules of morphing - establish a rule which is mostly consistent, but then show it actually can be broken. But then keep having the animorphs obey the rule as if it’s ironclad. You can’t morph rapidly or you’ll be too exhausted! Well actually, you can just push through. Acquiring an animal puts them into a trance! Well, sometimes. No reason for why it sometimes doesn’t. Morphing just reconfigures your mass and puts the rest into z space! Well, except when you morph something bigger than yourself, or if you’re allergic to alligators so you pop one out of your own body, in which case the extra mass comes from ???? You can’t morph from one animal to another without turning back into a human! Well, again, except if you have the alligator allergy thing. If you’re trapped in a morph you can never morph or regain your old body again! Well, unless a magic space wizard does it. (Fair enough on this one I guess) And from upcoming books... If you stay in morph for two hours you’ll be trapped! Well, except for the couple of times they accidentally go beyond the deadline by a bit but can still morph back because they try really hard. You can’t mix animal dna to make a chimera morph! Well, unless you’re really stressed out. And not just like, the amount of stress you get from fighting a losing guerilla war of attrition against an advanced alien species while they take over the planet, including your loved ones, but no one except your enemies knows about it. More stress than that. Morphing just changes your body’s mass into another form - it doesn’t create new living beings! Well except if you morph into a starfish and then get cut in half, and then demorph. Then there will be two of you... and they’ll split elements of your personality in between them. You can definitely come up with plausible explanations for some of these if you’re willing to speculate beyond what’s written. It’s just kind of funny, and you’d figure as the war goes on and they get increasingly desperate they might try to figure out a way to game the system to gain some kind of advantage. But, they are young kids, and andalite tech is pretty far advanced beyond what even the smartest humans could figure out, and most importantly, it’s clear they usually break the rules only to set up an interesting premise for the adventure of the month.
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How long, have Andalites had morphing technology? Obviously at least a few decades, per the Andalite Chronicles. But I'm not clear on if it's a technology they've been tinkering with or one they consider 'solved'. It seems like a lot of the rules of morphing are a side-effect of not perfecting the technology yet. If the two-hour time-limit being a bit muddy or not calming the animal during Aquiring are 'glitches', it would make sense that they're not really common knowledge, even among the Andalites.
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It always made sense to me that it wasn't exactly two hours, because there's no reason it would naturally line up like that. If it's actually two hours and seven or so minutes, it makes sense for Elfangor to round it down and say "remember two hours." Especially since, like we saw in book 3, if you're right up against that deadline, it's much more difficult to make the morph actually happen.
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^^^ this, but I am also amused at the thought of Andalite engineers being unable to design the morphing process so that it conveniently lines up with any of their native time units, but as soon as Elfangor lands on Earth he's like "oh sweet, what a cool coincidence".
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I want more Ax commenting on human culture. A post-war Ax with an online blog reviewing Shaggydog would be kinda hilarious.
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Imagine Ax with a youtube channel doing reaction videos where he eats and reviews human food. Don't let him get wind of the tide pod challenge
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it's fine, he could morph out before it got bad!
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Animorphs-Book 16:The Warning-Chapter 19quote:We raced back from The Gardens. I was exhausted. Tobias was exhausted. We had no choice. Time was running out. Ok, so we've got a rhino on scene. Also, again, the morphing exhausts you....sometimes. Chapter 20 quote:My new body moved surprisingly well. I felt almost like I was tiptoeing. But I was a tiptoeing giant. I mean, you have to admit, that was effective.
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FlocksOfMice posted:it's fine, he could morph out before it got bad! The cinnamon challenge, on the other hand, maybe not.
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wizzardstaff posted:^^^ this, but I am also amused at the thought of Andalite engineers being unable to design the morphing process so that it conveniently lines up with any of their native time units, but as soon as Elfangor lands on Earth he's like "oh sweet, what a cool coincidence". Given how much the Ellimist is messing with things, it's entirely possible he guided the design process specifically so the Animorphs would have an easily-understood time frame to operate in when their time comes
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Animorphs-Book 16:The Warning-Chapter 21quote:I’m sure it was a beautiful house. But I didn’t really see it. All I saw with my dim rhino-vision were walls and doorways. But at least we’d been right to guess that there were wide hallways. Wide enough for me to barrel down like a … well, like a rhinoceros. So, do rhinos actually have bad vision? We don't know. Conventional wisdom says yes. Some recent studies, though, say that they should have better vision than most people think. quote:I lowered my head and charged. So all sorts of things have gone wrong. Chapter 22 quote:I was human by the time I had reached the top of the stairs. But human isn’t a great morph when you’re thinking about going against guys with guns. When a tiger wants to deescalate, you deescalate. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Jan 30, 2021 |
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For all the dated cheesiness of the opening act, this book has turned into quite a tense action blockbuster.
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All I remember of this one was the chatroom and how it was neat to see that represented mostly faithfully in a book. I had, uh, wow, forgotten how DIRE this is. I love that it is expressly a throw-away filler episode and they nearly loving get totally wiped and they're AWARE of that.
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Animorphs-Book 16:The Warning-Chapter 23quote:I bounded into the room. It was dark, but my tiger’s eyes could see through the gloom as easily as if it had been lit with stadium lights. If you remember from the Andalite Chronicles, this is what the Yeerk homeworld looks like. quote:There were two cages beside the pool. Ax was in one. He was halfway between his northern harrier morph and his own Andalite body. He was frozen stiff. Unmoving. Not even breathing, like some nightmare statue composed of gray feathers and a scorpion tail and talons and a mouth-less face. In the other cage was Rachel. Still a bald eagle. Surprise! Jake's doing a pretty good job pretending to be an Andalite here. And, I suppose, Fenestre is trying to keep talking to stay alive. We'll find out more about Yeerk reproduction later in the books. Chapter 24 quote:We first encountered Visser Three within minutes of finding the Andalite prince, Elfangor. Well, this has gotten dark. Honestly, I like this entire conversation.
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Esplin-9466 the Lesser, the Liquid Snake of Yeerks in oh so many ways.
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ASK HIM ABOUT YRKH8ER
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That's a great line and yeah, I continue to be impressed by how a joke of a book has actually become really genuinely good.Epicurius posted:“In some cases, brothers can share. In some cases, twins can even become allies. But not with my brother. My brother is power mad. Or maybe just mad now. He left me nothing. He assigned me to a poor, unimportant human host. This Joe Bob Fenestre, a lowly programmer working in the bowels of a telephone company. It'll be interesting to compare this timeline when we get around to Visser - I don't quite remember it but I know Visser One only arrives on Earth during Desert Storm and then I think it's quite a few years before the Yeerks establish a proper secret invasion, and now it's... '96 or '97? Though I suppose rags-to-riches in the space of a handful of years isn't really that crazy when you look at modern day Silicon Valley, or even 2000s Silicon Valley.
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It occurs to me that this book opens with Jake talking about a number in a name important to him (bball23 or whatever), and now we meet an antagonist whose whole life has apparently been shaped by a number in a name.
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Bobulus posted:It occurs to me that this book opens with Jake talking about a number in a name important to him (bball23 or whatever), and now we meet an antagonist whose whole life has apparently been shaped by a number in a name.
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A Yeerk eating other Yeerks to avoid needing Kandrona rays is definitely up there among the more hosed up things we've encountered. At least Visser 3 changes into various beasts before devouring his kin. Also Marco has kind of been a prick in the last couple chapters.
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Ytlaya posted:A Yeerk eating other Yeerks to avoid needing Kandrona rays is definitely up there among the more hosed up things we've encountered. At least Visser 3 changes into various beasts before devouring his kin. There's a very high probability he killed his mother recently. I think Marco gets a break.
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Nthing the after so many silly books this silly gimmick plot ending up being one of the heaviest storylines yet is pretty intense. I can't believe I forgot everything after the chatroom.
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Animorphs-Book 16:The Warning-Chapter 25quote:Cassie let loose a growl and was racing toward Fenestre before I could say a word. He raised his Dracon beam. I leaped through the air. I mean, Christ. Like, what do you even say about this chapter, really. I guess it's the "Do the ends justify the means?" question. Chapter 26 quote:I guess someone eventually told Rachel and Ax what had happened. It wasn’t me. Honestly, that's a sweet scene. Jake's family does love him. And I think it's true, too. I think a lot of time people dismiss kids' concerns, but, you know, they have them just as much as adults, and like Jake's mom points out, they don't have the experience to deal with them. quote:The next day at school I was still feeling bad. It’s nice that my mom and dad care about me. It’s nice that they sympathize. But they don’t understand, and they can’t understand because for them everything is about my age. So wow. I mean, for a book that started off kind of silly with crazy internet adventures, it got pretty dark. It dealt with a lot of stuff....fear, and Jake's concerns about his leadership, and expedience vs morality, and a bunch of stuff. So the next book is The Underground, which is a Rachel book. It's got celebrity cameos! It's got sanity hearings! It's got delicious breakfasts! It's got bat poop! It's kind of silly, kind of serious, and I think you'll like it. But that's tomorrow, For tonight and into tomorrow, what did you all think of this book?
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# ? Feb 1, 2021 04:31 |
Jesus, I didn't remember that 'I don't know which I am' line. I remembered the bit about the wolf but not the fire. Who does everyone think did it? I'm guessing the fire was Jake.
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It was absolutely Jake. Cassie I just can't see independently doing something violent/dangerous even as a utilitarian means to an end (at least not this early in the series) and also if she was doing that there'd be no need to warn Gump, none of the others give enough of a poo poo to do it, and if it was Visser Three it's a hell of a coincidence for it to just happen now.quote:I make mistakes. I fail sometimes. Sometimes I’m just plain stupid. Sometimes there is no right answer to the problems we face, but what can you do but keep trying to figure the answer out, anyway? What else can you do? YES I make mistakes YES I fail sometimes YES I'm lighting this Molotov cocktail and hurling it through Bill Gates' window Epicurius posted:So wow. I mean, for a book that started off kind of silly with crazy internet adventures, it got pretty dark. It dealt with a lot of stuff....fear, and Jake's concerns about his leadership, and expedience vs morality, and a bunch of stuff. 100%, I think for a lot of us the silly chatroom is what stuck out in our memories and I remember it being as goofy and dumb a book as 14, but that second half is absolutely solid. 17 I remember also being goofy and dumb but not as much as this one, and my memory of this one was wrong, so looking forward to it!
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