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eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

feedmegin posted:

I realise this is still technically 'intel' but Itanium workstations running Windows were a thing more recently than that.



https://www.ebay.com/itm/133025780816

at least it can also run VMS rather well

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BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

eschaton posted:



https://www.ebay.com/itm/133025780816

at least it can also run VMS rather well

the same seller prices much more ancient hppa machines significantly higher, even in obsolescence itanium is a fizzle

pram
Jun 10, 2001
well of course, pa-risc had a cool rap. itanium is just lame

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
yeah, I got an rx2620 without the pedestal case for a couple hundred and I could spend another couple hundred at a surplus dealer I know and get the pedestal

it runs the latest OpenVMS beautifully but it’s loud enough that it overpowers my noise suppressing headphones

I ported the 3dfmaps “benchmark” and compiled it with as much optimization as I could muster and the best scores/times I was able to get were around 0.43

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull
my general memory of the era is that itanium workstations were a giant wet fart, literally only useful for software devs stuck with the deadend job of developing code for hp nonstop or whatever that big (ish?) iron product line was, you know the one place itanium ever did halway well (and that mostly due to captive hp customers)

Scrotum Modem
Sep 12, 2014

Ganoo Cyst 'em D. open sores cocks, get it? eh eh

my love/hate relationship with linux is eternal

Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011

𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬
the future of init is GNU shepherd praise gnu

Poopernickel
Oct 28, 2005

electricity bad
Fun Shoe
hell yeah, my init system definitely needs a 50 MB scripting language that depends on a bunch of external libraries

praise be to saint iGNUcius for showing his holiest of holies and vanquishing the evil TCL language

Poopernickel fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Jan 28, 2021

Poopernickel
Oct 28, 2005

electricity bad
Fun Shoe
to summarize, my position is:

- runit bad
- shepherd bad
- sysvinit bad
- systemd-init good, systemd bad overall

:getin:

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



I just looked at the github page for sudo and apparently this thing has like 400k lines of code? For something people basically use as a "pretend to be root for a few seconds" command?

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



Nitrousoxide posted:

I just looked at the github page for sudo and apparently this thing has like 400k lines of code? For something people basically use as a "pretend to be root for a few seconds" command?

all that commented BS everyone ignores in /etc/sudoers takes a lot of code to support. also unix makes it a bitch and a half to write sensitive code that's actually secure

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Poopernickel posted:

hell yeah, my init system definitely needs a 50 MB scripting language that depends on a bunch of external libraries

praise be to saint iGNUcius for showing his holiest of holies and vanquishing the evil TCL language

just put scheme in the kernel already you cowards, guile as pid 1 is just a stopgap.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

Nomnom Cookie posted:

all that commented BS everyone ignores in /etc/sudoers takes a lot of code to support. also unix makes it a bitch and a half to write sensitive code that's actually secure

Hey, I like /etc/sudoers. I learned to love it at the company that used visudo tied to a script to update sudoers manually for a company with ~10k unix accounts. Frequently to grant access to 2-3 machines out of a global farm of ~20k. That poo poo is awesome if you manage it right.

Or just touch it once to make a sudoers group across the whole farm and manage access by group membership.

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016
sudo is inefficent - I just login as root and do everything from there

Poopernickel
Oct 28, 2005

electricity bad
Fun Shoe
/etc/sudoers is also helpful in the world of embedded systems, where you maybe want one or two narrowly-defined commands that run as sudo

you can use it to express something like:
- user "foo" can run "/usr/local/bin/firmware-updater /tmp/update-file.tar.aes" as passwordless sudo
- user "foo" can't run firmware-updater from any other path, or pointing to any other update file
- the "PATH" environment variable is locked to "/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin" by sudo
- the "UPDATE_MODE" environment variable is passed through, but all other variables are ignored/replaced

then on engineering builds/debug builds, maybe you swap out /etc/sudoers for something with fewer restrictions

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



you see what I mean about Unix making it incredibly difficult to write actually secure code

Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011

𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

just put scheme in the kernel already you cowards, guile as pid 1 is just a stopgap.

it's cowardice! They could be gnu / gnu linux

Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011

𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬
wha apparently you can use guix with the hurd kernel... fuckin seeya linux

*marilyn manson voice* this is the gnu poo poo

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010

by VideoGames

(and can't post for 10 years!)


cjs: doing lots of science at the YAML> prompt

cowboy beepboop
Feb 24, 2001

im the mysterious black cube at the heart of it all

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
it turns out transparency doesn't work very well with 219.css

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

my stepdads beer posted:

im the mysterious black cube at the heart of it all

that’s the web

it’s powered by NEXTSTEP

sb hermit
Dec 13, 2016





I had a volunteer job at a lab... one of the computers was a nextstation. I think it had a failing hard drive and no one knew the login.

We forgot to plug it in one day and someone actually came by to complain. Apparently it ran some sort of dictionary service.

Welp, that's my nextstation story.

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

i worked in a computer lab that had a forgotten nextstation running a print spooler

forgotten until one of the other students rooted it and set up a webserver serving porn that got enough traffic to saturate the building network

git apologist
Jun 4, 2003

i saw tim bernese-lee’s next station, literally the first ever web server, at the science museum in london

Poopernickel
Oct 28, 2005

electricity bad
Fun Shoe
my design team is working on a custom ASIC right now. One of the design requirements is a hardware RNG. The RNG's requirement reads ""MUST RETURN A UNIQUE VALUE ON EVERY READ" in all caps.

gotta love mathematically impossible requirements!

Poopernickel
Oct 28, 2005

electricity bad
Fun Shoe
like if I had a coin-flip machine that returned a unique value on every flip, it would be pretty easy to predict

mystes
May 31, 2006

Sounds like you just need a pseudorandom permutation and some nonvolatile storage, and it just has to output enough bits based on the maximum number of times it will be used.

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

mystes posted:

Sounds like you just need a pseudorandom permutation and some nonvolatile storage, and it just has to output enough bits based on the maximum number of times it will be used.

skip the storage and just return the sequence 1,2,3,...

fully unique on every read.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

Poopernickel posted:

my design team is working on a custom ASIC right now. One of the design requirements is a hardware RNG. The RNG's requirement reads ""MUST RETURN A UNIQUE VALUE ON EVERY READ" in all caps.

gotta love mathematically impossible requirements!

point them at the NIST publications, even if you don't decide to comply directly they're excellent docs to mine for better language to use when specifying RNGs, both deterministic and non deterministic

https://csrc.nist.gov/publications/sp800
https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/SpecialPublications/NIST.SP.800-90Ar1.pdf
https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/SpecialPublications/NIST.SP.800-90B.pdf
https://csrc.nist.gov/CSRC/media/Publications/sp/800-90c/draft/documents/sp800_90c_second_draft.pdf

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull
p.s. if you actually care about doing RNG (either T or not-T) right, it is a deep fuckin' topic, so you may also want to advise them to perform due diligence on some ip cores and license the best one instead of trying to do it in house

Sassafras
Dec 24, 2004

by Athanatos

Poopernickel posted:

my design team is working on a custom ASIC right now. One of the design requirements is a hardware RNG. The RNG's requirement reads ""MUST RETURN A UNIQUE VALUE ON EVERY READ" in all caps.

gotta love mathematically impossible requirements!

I dunno, depends on the other requirements re: device lifetime.

"535660986 ... This chip will self destruct."

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

Hm, cool!

AMD FreeSync HDMI Patch Appearing For Their Open-Source Linux Driver

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003


sounds like it's just for proprietary freesync and not hdmi 2.1 vrr, which is being held up by legal bs surrounding the hdmi spec

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone



I'm really trying to like Arch, I really am. But like I'm getting core dumps from half a dozen applications every few minutes on this computer with an Arch based install, USB barely works and crashes out at least once a day entirely, bluetooth doesn't work until after login. This is even if I switch to the LTS kernal and have been looking through the Arch wiki and using the Arch distro forums to troubleshoot for over a week. I really want to like it with the AUR.

My Debian distro I have installed on another drive on this computer Just Works (R) with only a handful of tweaks here and there needed.

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

𝓪 𝓻𝓮𝓭 𝓹𝓪𝓷𝓭𝓪 𝓲𝓼 𝓪 𝓬𝓾𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓾𝓼 𝓼𝓸𝓻𝓽 𝓸𝓯 𝓬𝓻𝓮𝓪𝓽𝓾𝓻𝓮
linux fuckin sucks

mycophobia
May 7, 2008

Nitrousoxide posted:

I'm really trying to like Arch, I really am. But like I'm getting core dumps from half a dozen applications every few minutes on this computer with an Arch based install, USB barely works and crashes out at least once a day entirely, bluetooth doesn't work until after login. This is even if I switch to the LTS kernal and have been looking through the Arch wiki and using the Arch distro forums to troubleshoot for over a week. I really want to like it with the AUR.

My Debian distro I have installed on another drive on this computer Just Works (R) with only a handful of tweaks here and there needed.

use debian. dont torture yourself for no reason

Scrotum Modem
Sep 12, 2014

Nitrousoxide posted:

I'm really trying to like Arch, I really am. But like I'm getting core dumps from half a dozen applications every few minutes on this computer with an Arch based install, USB barely works and crashes out at least once a day entirely, bluetooth doesn't work until after login. This is even if I switch to the LTS kernal and have been looking through the Arch wiki and using the Arch distro forums to troubleshoot for over a week. I really want to like it with the AUR.

My Debian distro I have installed on another drive on this computer Just Works (R) with only a handful of tweaks here and there needed.

I had to google this if it's copypasta or something. As a common arch user I've never experienced anything like this, covering a wide variation of hardware setups and multiple different architectures as well. I'm curious what hardware setup is doing this if you're willing to share. Apps constantly crashing sounds like some serious core issue going on with the install, and it's not "cuz it's arch"

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xtal
Jan 9, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
It could be a driver issue if they're using worse-supported hardware, but isn't Debian more strict than Arch about having proprietary drivers in the repos? You can probably install the exact same software on Arch as debian and just didn't.

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