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Pick posted:I would see if I could trick the program into reverting to the core conceit of the original holodeck programming, and offer to have a steamy holodeck orgy between the crew of our vessels Hodgepodge posted:most of the canon "innovative solutions" are just hacking the computer, which boomers consider bold innovation I bet every cadet cursed Data's name when he invented the counter to the Picard Manoeuvrer. Of course in that scenario I guess the enemy would just blow up the freighter. That and I guess the ship can't just do the manoeuvrer over and over again.
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Yvonmukluk posted:I thought the '1v1 me, motherfucker' solution was against Klingons. It certainly seems like they'd go for it. I could swear I read the book where this happens, and that it was written by Shatner, but I can't seem to find it. Main antagonists of the overall story were borg?
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 03:32 |
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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:I could swear I read the book where this happens, and that it was written by Shatner, but I can't seem to find it. Lmao, was this "The Return?"
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 03:35 |
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Bogus Adventure posted:Lmao, was this "The Return?" indeed. they took a sick all black Defiant to the borg homeworld, and shut them all off at the source
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 03:39 |
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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:indeed. they took a sick all black Defiant to the borg homeworld, and shut them all off at the source Yes. Also Data's emotions become stable by explaining that they were erratic in the movie because the chip is literally going through an aging process, so he has to go through basically emotional puberty. And Spock and McCoy are around because they don't believe Kirk really died in Generations because he wasn't alone because of COURSE Shatner had to make Star Trek 5 a keystone of the plot. And Romulans are working with the Borg, and they bring Kirk back as a sleeper agent by brainwashing him with holodeck sex with a hot Tal Shiar agent. Also apparently that novel was the launch of an entire wing of the Trek EU in which Kirk again takes a leading role in Starfleet operations and Federation politics after this ressurection, stretching through and beyond the Dominion War.
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 04:22 |
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1v1, no items, captains only, final destination is Klingons. Its what Riker does iirc. Wont lie, depending on the time period I'd call up the maquis and use them as a proxy
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 04:34 |
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RBA Starblade posted:My winning strategy would be to kill the ship myself and defect to the Klingons Everyone coming up in Starfleet appears to know about the Maru test beforehand, which makes it both worthless as a test of character and encourages a growing number of students every year to just use the time to try and break the simulation or go idle instead of doing it. At least one student each year turns to the engineer, tells him to make the reactor go critical during warp, and cause a rip in the space time continuum that will kill everyone instantly and annihilate the galaxy in-sim, but on the bright side the sim will complete in 45 seconds.
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 15:26 |
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Everyone coming up in Starfleet appears to know about the Maru test beforehand, which makes it both worthless as a test of character and encourages a growing number of students every year to just use the time to try and break the simulation or go idle instead of doing it. At least one student each year turns to the engineer, tells him to make the reactor go critical during warp, and cause a rip in the space time continuum that will kill everyone instantly and annihilate the galaxy in-sim, but on the bright side the sim will complete in 45 seconds.
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 16:34 |
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I would use the replicator to make copies of the freighter crew and just tell everyone I rescued the original guys.
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 16:46 |
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Sir DonkeyPunch posted:indeed. they took a sick all black Defiant to the borg homeworld, and shut them all off at the source Lmao, I will always find Shatner's massive ego funny.
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 19:51 |
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Pick posted:The best is Nog bribing them to go its weird because its usually established that the klingons dont respond to hails
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 22:45 |
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Yvonmukluk posted:Do they? Has anyone actually talked about knowing what the test is beforehand? Saavik didn't seem to. Kirk had to retake it to beat it, remember. Well if you can retake the test of character, lol already.
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# ? Jan 31, 2021 23:37 |
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Well if you can retake the test of character, lol already. demanding to retake a pass/fail test that you already apparently passed is extremely nerd poo poo
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# ? Feb 1, 2021 01:27 |
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Verviticus posted:its weird because its usually established that the klingons dont respond to hails No one ever offered them gold pressed latinum and free oo-mox before
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# ? Feb 1, 2021 09:28 |
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I don't understand how "Leave them, one ship isn't worth a war or even worth unnecessarily putting your cre in danger" isn't Star Fleet's protocol.
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# ? Feb 1, 2021 19:12 |
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Alright set course at maximum warp, reverse direction. ..."But sir... the freighter is hailing us for-" "I know cadet. I know. But we're going to the heart of this problem. We're going back in time."
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# ? Feb 1, 2021 19:15 |
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Who What Now posted:I don't understand how "Leave them, one ship isn't worth a war or even worth unnecessarily putting your cre in danger" isn't Star Fleet's protocol. That's one of the two basic options. You can actually chill and let the ship go. Supposedly this triggers more RP where your ship threatens to mutiny at the idea of you not violating intergalactic treaties to fall for an obvious trap/rescue moron space colonists. Also now that I've looked, the Maru wikipedia article highlights one of my solutions, "YOLO everyone to death," and makes note that cadets frequently try to hack the sim quote:The Kobayashi Maru (Original Series novel) Name Change fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Feb 1, 2021 |
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Tulip posted:demanding to retake a pass/fail test that you already apparently passed is extremely nerd poo poo Kirk was originally written as being a turbo nerd in academy.
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Who What Now posted:I don't understand how "Leave them, one ship isn't worth a war or even worth unnecessarily putting your cre in danger" isn't Star Fleet's protocol. i think that goes back to how Starfleet draws heavily on naval analogues and traditions, and one of the big things about the sea is that sailors don't leave people stranded if they can help it like, even in B5, the Earth Alliance Earthforce has a general order saying "if someone puts out a distress call and we're not at war with them, you fuckin' help them" also, while "it could start a war" is definitely supposed to be part of the dilemma, "it could put the ship and crew at risk" wouldn't be; it may not be "the primary mission" or whatever but rendering aid to people in trouble is absolutely core to Starfleet's purpose. recall when Kirk burned out the engines in saving Harry Mudd and the space hookers
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# ? Feb 1, 2021 22:41 |
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Maybe the real kobayashi was the maru we made along the way
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# ? Feb 2, 2021 01:58 |
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SlothfulCobra posted:Kirk was originally written as being a turbo nerd in academy. Kirk still is a turbo nerd, even in the prime and JJ universes. It's just that he also successfully functions in social situations, which is a completely foreign concept to most Star Trek nerds.
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Bogus Adventure posted:Kirk still is a turbo nerd, even in the prime and JJ universes. It's just that he also successfully functions in social situations, which is a completely foreign concept to most Star Trek nerds. Also the key line that a lot of people miss in Star Trek '09 is that Kirk had already taken the Kobayashi Maru test twice already, so the version seen in the film is not his first run through it. The whole reason he's unbearably smug about the whole thing is that he had already had his poo poo pushed in by the test twice legitimately, so him gloating as he goes back and cracks it over his knee through cheating is 100% warranted. Because that's basically how anyone would act upon walking into a test you'd already failed twice and this time knowing that it was literally impossible to lose because you already did the work to beat it before it even began. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 03:24 on Feb 2, 2021 |
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Bogus Adventure posted:Kirk still is a turbo nerd, even in the prime and JJ universes. It's just that he also successfully functions in social situations, which is a completely foreign concept to most Star Trek nerds. I actually rather like that the captains tend to have a past that that they've synthesized/inverted. Kirk was a huge nerd, but as a captain he's confident about going with his gut. Picard was a huge jock but as a captain he's learned to appreciate taking things slow and technical and artsy. And Sisko started in engineering but on DS9 his main solution to problems is to support and push his subordinates, trusting them to find the best solution without his micromanagement. I don't know anything about the other captains so no idea if it holds up.
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Tulip posted:I actually rather like that the captains tend to have a past that that they've synthesized/inverted. Kirk was a huge nerd, but as a captain he's confident about going with his gut. Picard was a huge jock but as a captain he's learned to appreciate taking things slow and technical and artsy. And Sisko started in engineering but on DS9 his main solution to problems is to support and push his subordinates, trusting them to find the best solution without his micromanagement. Archer was an entitled frat boy product of nepotism growing and captained the NX-01 like an entitled frat boy product of nepotism.
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# ? Feb 2, 2021 04:08 |
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It's worth noting that Kirk is a bit of a power fantasy to begin with
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# ? Feb 2, 2021 05:13 |
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Sodomy Hussein posted:It's worth noting that Kirk is a bit of a power fantasy to begin with that's most space opera captains tbh
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# ? Feb 2, 2021 05:36 |
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Again, part of the appeal of the Kyobashi Maru is being told "this is gonna gently caress you up" and seeing what you've got to go against it. There should be staggeringly few in a human organization for command positions that wouldn't want to flex their creativity and try and prove everyone else wrong. See my fanfic for stories about a captain who does not attempt to rescue the ship. Tulip posted:I actually rather like that the captains tend to have a past that that they've synthesized/inverted. Kirk was a huge nerd, but as a captain he's confident about going with his gut. Picard was a huge jock but as a captain he's learned to appreciate taking things slow and technical and artsy. And Sisko started in engineering but on DS9 his main solution to problems is to support and push his subordinates, trusting them to find the best solution without his micromanagement. Going by this Janeway opposed torture and was mormon
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quote:See my fanfic for stories about a captain who does not attempt to rescue the ship. Torpedo the ship yourself, invite the Klingons for bloodwine
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nine-gear crow posted:Also the key line that a lot of people miss in Star Trek '09 is that Kirk had already taken the Kobayashi Maru test twice already, so the version seen in the film is not his first run through it. The whole reason he's unbearably smug about the whole thing is that he had already had his poo poo pushed in by the test twice legitimately, so him gloating as he goes back and cracks it over his knee through cheating is 100% warranted. Because that's basically how anyone would act upon walking into a test you'd already failed twice and this time knowing that it was literally impossible to lose because you already did the work to beat it before it even began. Which is why Chris Pine as Kirk is the one thing I truly love about the reboot. The other actors range from good to meh, but Pine loving CHANNELED Kirk at every moment.
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Tulip posted:I actually rather like that the captains tend to have a past that that they've synthesized/inverted. Kirk was a huge nerd, but as a captain he's confident about going with his gut. Picard was a huge jock but as a captain he's learned to appreciate taking things slow and technical and artsy. And Sisko started in engineering but on DS9 his main solution to problems is to support and push his subordinates, trusting them to find the best solution without his micromanagement. Janeway was a scientist and WARP PARTICLES *farrrrt*
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From my understanding, I think that Kirk as he was written early in the show was a lot different from the characterization that he would be stereotyped as from outside, especially after the movies came 'round and Shatner's ego could start bleeding into the character more.Tulip posted:Picard was a huge jock but as a captain he's learned to appreciate taking things slow and technical and artsy. From my experience in college, archaeology is the jockiest of the sciences. It comes close with geology because geologists can afford to be a lot more cavalier and careless, but archaeologists follow a more heroic narrative having to hunt down relatively small ruins instead of doing larger surveys of land, which feels more sporty.
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It's cool to have another form of confirmation that I didn't miss out much on the Star Treks I've skipped. Still wanna check out Lower Decks.SlothfulCobra posted:From my experience in college, archaeology is the jockiest of the sciences. It comes close with geology because geologists can afford to be a lot more cavalier and careless, but archaeologists follow a more heroic narrative having to hunt down relatively small ruins instead of doing larger surveys of land, which feels more sporty. I knew more archaeologists in grad school and later than during college and my experience was that they're mostly just very prone to sex cults/general poly stuff. Something about carefully cataloguing each thimble of dirt you move from a 600 year old kitchen for weeks without a real shower causes some lowered sense of boundaries.
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Tulip posted:It's cool to have another form of confirmation that I didn't miss out much on the Star Treks I've skipped. Still wanna check out Lower Decks. The caveat I use is that Lower Decks starts out kinda rough because it's got a lot of establish and a short time to do it given its format and premise, but it quickly finds its footing and absolutely nails it both as a Star Trek series and as a comedy series by the time it's done its first season. Definitely watch it when you can, it's great.
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# ? Feb 2, 2021 23:43 |
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Lower Decks is pretty fantastic, although it's a very different angle on things from the classic Star Trek shows. I went in expecting Rick and Morty lite, but they really do find a good balance of Trek optimism and the sort of millennial ennui that the series was inspired by.
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Who What Now posted:I don't understand how "Leave them, one ship isn't worth a war or even worth unnecessarily putting your cre in danger" isn't Star Fleet's protocol. In the real world, all ships have an obligation under maritime law to respond to any distress call and provide all possible aid, even to enemy ships, pirates, or vessels within a hostile nation's territorial waters.
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# ? Feb 3, 2021 04:48 |
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I feel like the concept of the Kobayashi Maru would be better served if it was one of a series of tests that were open ended but utterly unfair. One single "source of character information" is pretty reductionist, in the sense of "oh Captain X did the KM scenario this way, so now you know how he's gonna act from here on out".
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Bootcha posted:I feel like the concept of the Kobayashi Maru would be better served if it was one of a series of tests that were open ended but utterly unfair. One single "source of character information" is pretty reductionist, in the sense of "oh Captain X did the KM scenario this way, so now you know how he's gonna act from here on out". The implication is it is constantly updated and tweaked, but there are also huge gaps of time between shows. Ive always assumed there are other Kyobashi Maru class tests, like navigating two subordinates who do not want to work together or handling two conflicting orders from Starfleet, or attending a dinner party with an alien that just hates you and you don't know their culture and other occupational problems. The Kyobashi Maru is just the one that is the cornerstone and most important since it requires getting other people to practice their skills as a group exercise and its the only one to simulate spaceship pew pew so everyone focuses on jt.
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# ? Feb 3, 2021 05:29 |
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Objective: You must negotiate the release of the impounded federation vessel Kyobashi Maru from the Frogulons of Frogmus 5. They despise humans and are deeply insulted by humans who point out they look like earth frogs and have a deep seated hatred of humans for eating them. Dinner will be flies served loose. No other information is known about the culture
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# ? Feb 3, 2021 05:34 |
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I'm thinking more along the lines of "Captain, take that hill." Or perhaps a "You have two objectives: Don't let them declare war on us, and keep them in this room no matter what."
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I assume the lesser tests would be more personalized based on your specialty. Someone going into security has to root out the mole (you'll never find it!) while someone doing comms has to figure out how to on the fly parse open ended but possibly hostile messages and info the universal translator can't do. These are in a sense, extra helpful since when you fail these it can point out what you didn't consider so when you're in the field you can go "ok heres my A approach and here is what the Kyobashi Maru said I would miss B approach" Edit: There should absolutely be an episode exploring that. Where the villain has plotted around knowing how say the security chief operates to hide their crime then at the end is exposed when out of nowhere the chief suddenly does a second completely different kind of sweep that catches them. Closing line some pithyness about how by failing you can learn to succeed. Barudak fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Feb 3, 2021 |
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