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It's weird that the implication is Lily was the first mother to die protecting her child. You'd think parents dying for their kids is something common enough that someone as learned as Voldemort would be aware of the magic it causes. They were only like 30 years removed from OG wizard Hitler's war. Voldemort lived through it. No parents died for their kids during that one?
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It's just the sort of thing that belongs in a world of whimsey but clashes a bit with the later war stories tone. Rowling veers towards suggesting that something else was going on with Dumbledore/the Horcruxes specifically that made it work, but never pulls the trigger even though "ancient mother magic that saves your life but forces you to live with your abusive blood relatives" is super messed up.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It's weird that the implication is Lily was the first mother to die protecting her child. You'd think parents dying for their kids is something common enough that someone as learned as Voldemort would be aware of the magic it causes. They were only like 30 years removed from OG wizard Hitler's war. Voldemort lived through it. No parents died for their kids during that one? IIRC this is actually addressed, Dumbledore tells Harry that somebody as knowledgeable about magic as Voldemort should absolutely have known about the magical significance of Lily's sacrifice. Voldy however didn't really put any stock in ~the power of love~ and between that and his own hubris probably wasn't even capable in the moment of countenancing the idea that any kind of magic invoked by Lily's love would surpass his own power to kill. e. This is also by the way why Voldemort ultimately getting beaten by wand law technicalities is dumb as poo poo. It's established that Voldy's one weakness is that his disregard for the power of bonds of genuine love and friendship, because they're something he's incapable of fostering and so he considers them beneath him. But then in book four he just bullshits some immunity to it and from then on Harry just gets saved over and over by wand bullshit - first the twin cores thing, then the Elder Wand ownership hot potato. Thematically Harry really should have won by cultivating a new magic powered by the friends he made along the way that Voldemort - as he did with Lily's sacrifice - underestimated to his doom. But I guess Jo just really needed to shoehorn in her magical mcguffins. Sydin fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Feb 2, 2021 |
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Feb 2, 2021 18:20
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Voldemort walking into a dozen rakes labelled 'obvious downfalls of villain in a prophecy' and he just keeps going
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There's also something Dumbledore points out about one of the wand things in 7 that kind of hammers home that the special magic Harry keeps getting only applies specifically to Voldemort who keeps accidentally handing Harry weapons through his hubris. If Harry had been AK'ed by any other wizard it would just be dead, but Tommy kept adding extra layers of esoteric magic onto their bond because of his obsession. So it probably doesn't come up a ton of time that some wizard specifically wants to kill a baby, someone sacrifices themselves for that baby and then the wizard is like "ah yes I will still personally murder this baby (instead of leaving it alone to starve)". Maybe in the heat of war someone dives in front of their child then the same person gets their spell rebounded, but it's just as likely that someone else who wasn't the original curse caster kills the original target (or you know, children aren't usually high priority targets in war).
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^yea that's a good explanation. He kept making his bond with Harry ever-deeper, essentially making the prophecy self-fulfilling when it didn't have to matter at all. It was Voldemort's hubris about love and also killing being the ultimate power that makes him lose. He underestimates Snape's love and assumes automatically that killing is necessary to transfer power of a magical artifact. He sacrifices a powerful, helpful ally and goes to his doom because he can't fathom that love is a thing, that trust matters, that Snape's help is not just about power and he can do everything important himself, anyway (oh except get a body back and a billion other things). It also plays into his fear of death. To him, death is ignominy and total destruction so why would you ever stun or disarm when you could kill? He's sort of objectivist and thinks deep-down everyone either thinks like him and just denies it or is weak. Of course the Elder Wand could only be transferred by killing and the wizard who made it would definitely have made it that way or else it would not be worth possessing.
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Feb 2, 2021 21:08
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A romantic comedy featuring voldemort going on a bunch of dates to destroy harry potter, until he falls in love for real and needs Harry's help to win her over.
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Tom Riddle falls in love, gets the person with Harry's help and finds the strength to feel regret and repair his soul. Sir Cadogan and Dumbledore (from their portraits) begin dating.
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Guy A. Person posted:There's also something Dumbledore points out about one of the wand things in 7 that kind of hammers home that the special magic Harry keeps getting only applies specifically to Voldemort who keeps accidentally handing Harry weapons through his hubris. If Harry had been AK'ed by any other wizard it would just be dead, but Tommy kept adding extra layers of esoteric magic onto their bond because of his obsession. He does make Harry essentially immortal at the end of GoF by making himself his pseudo-horcrux so the window of opportunity for a random wizard to get him passes. Hilariously Dumbledore seems to be relying on the fact that Harry isn't competent enough to kill Voldemort first or it'd be the other way round. I always thought that Lily's sacrifice was more that it wasn't an immediate subconscious choice, that she had time to think and consciously chose to die in Harry's place. So while it would have happened before it's not like an every day thing.
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My favorite part about Voldemort attacking Harry as a baby was how everyone told Harry that James was this amazing duelist who fought desperately against Voldemort to buy his wife and kid some time to escape. And then in one of the later books, Harry gets a memory or vision from Voldemort about that night and we're shown that James immediately bit it to Voldemort without even a fight. 
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Feb 4, 2021 12:55
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Dumbledore should have armed all his guys with Fawkes tail feather wands
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amigolupus posted:My favorite part about Voldemort attacking Harry as a baby was how everyone told Harry that James was this amazing duelist who fought desperately against Voldemort to buy his wife and kid some time to escape. And then in one of the later books, Harry gets a memory or vision from Voldemort about that night and we're shown that James immediately bit it to Voldemort without even a fight. I like how James is hyped up as this incredibly gifted wizard who's also smart and attractive like some gigachad, but then in all his movie appearances he looks like the dweeb who sits three cubes down from you that snitches to the boss about people who leave 15 minutes early. Guy really peaked in high school I guess.
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Sydin posted:I like how James is hyped up as this incredibly gifted wizard who's also smart and attractive like some gigachad, but then in all his movie appearances he looks like the dweeb who sits three cubes down from you that snitches to the boss about people who leave 15 minutes early. Guy really peaked in high school I guess. I struggle to think of an HP character who didn't peak in high school. They're all certainly forever relitigating it in their adult lives.
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Feb 4, 2021 20:23
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Literally all the characters marry and start popping out kids at 18 and then get government careers so
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When you only go to one school, and everyone in your country went there too, that's probably what would happen, yeah.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:I struggle to think of an HP character who didn't peak in high school. They're all certainly forever relitigating it in their adult lives. George, and to a lesser extent Fred.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:George, and to a lesser extent Fred. the one weasley who marries fleur and tames dragons or whatever too
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Dumbledore should have armed all his guys with Fawkes tail feather wands Yeah this is one of the small things that bothered me on my latest reread. Certainly even the super eccentric Olivander wasn't constantly getting like, only a single tail hair from every unicorn. He even makes a point to say "that particular phoenix only gave two feathers" as if he would normally try to get more. Like why wouldn't you try and buy in bulk. There's no way the twin core thing was all that rare, hell you'd figure as he was making wands and selling them each school year that you'd have a few matches in each grade who could never duel each other since their wands would go apeshit. Aardvark! posted:the one weasley who marries fleur and tames dragons or whatever too Weirdly the hip one who dates super models and wears dragonskin boots works for the bank. The other one who is barely ever on screen is the dragon tamer.
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It's also implied that he's a grave robber and that wizarding gold is all stolen from muggles.
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Guy A. Person posted:Weirdly the hip one who dates super models and wears dragonskin boots works for the bank. The other one who is barely ever on screen is the dragon tamer. Lmao, I think it's the boots that make me confuse them. Not that it's remotely hard given their combined contributions to the story
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Yeah Charlie is the one who gets the short end of the stick to be sure and I don't think he even gets to come to the final battle, I think he's just off in Romania recruiting other wizards for the majority of the last book. I think at a certain point there's only so much Rowling could do with "older Weasely brother who isn't a douchebag traitor like Percy" because there's even a joke about Molly cutting his hair for the wedding which is just directly recycled from a joke about Bill in GoF.
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Some Goon posted:When you only go to one school, and everyone in your country went there too, that's probably what would happen, yeah. A clever writer, or at least a slightly less asleep at the wheel hack, would have some theming about how the literal magic of the universe figuratively saps the more basic magic of living a full, complex life from its users. It seems to be happening so may as well engage with it a little and get up to the literary level of most other elementary school books.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It's also implied that he's a grave robber and that wizarding gold is all stolen from muggles. Its not even implication, just flat out stated. He's a 'Curse Breaker' who works for Gringotts and spends the first few books of the series removing curses on the pyramids in Egypt to acquire their treasures.
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It's pretty common for stories centering on high school to have its characters peak as teenagers, settle on their romantic partner for life, and then graduation is just fading away into a vaguely cheerful future. The other day I was reading Silver Spoon, and it had a really good ending where as everybody is graduating from high school, they're not freed from responsibilities, they're scrambling to get set with the next phase of their lives; trying to get into college, looking for a job, or setting up a new life for themselves. That's a story I could easily see continuing onward, even though they chose to end it there.
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Zore posted:Its not even implication, just flat out stated. He's a 'Curse Breaker' who works for Gringotts and spends the first few books of the series removing curses on the pyramids in Egypt to acquire their treasures. Well he may be a wizard, but he's still British
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What would’ve happened if Tommy just took out a Glock and capped Harry and his mother?
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Sodomy Hussein posted:I struggle to think of an HP character who didn't peak in high school. They're all certainly forever relitigating it in their adult lives. Luna, maybe? She didn't marry anyone she knew in high school and regularly goes on globetrotting adventures to find new magical creatures.
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Nitrousoxide posted:What would’ve happened if Tommy just took out a Glock and capped Harry and his mother? “I have access to magic Dumbledore never dreamed of” *pulls out a hand grenade*
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Nitrousoxide posted:What would’ve happened if Tommy just took out a Glock and capped Harry and his mother? https://i.imgur.com/Mx4msTZ.mp4
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Guy A. Person posted:“I have access to magic Dumbledore never dreamed of” we would have the boy who lived to be dirty harry potter rowling is too big a coward for gun wizards
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Literally all the characters marry and start popping out kids at 18 and then get government careers so Again, literally just the British upper class. Actually makes a lot of sense when you realise the whole plot is basically equivalent to the Republican donors turning on the chud base they've spent decades radicalising after the Capitol march threatens to actually make people stop putting up with their poo poo. Voldemort is Trump, who says the quiet part loud and doesn't follow decorum.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Again, literally just the British upper class. Voldemort = trump Just that simple folks
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:Voldemort = trump The joke is, not for the reasons everyone usually says. Harry is Mitt Romney
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please read, another book (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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ungulateman posted:please read, buddy, i'm not even reading this one
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josh04 posted:buddy, i'm not even reading this one wise af
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ungulateman posted:please read, 
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he's from an alternate universe version of the thread where we're all showing off our deathly hallows tattoos
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I'm re-reading the Silmarillion rn, a nice break from six months of delicious potter content what's literature? e: lol that people get dark mark tattoos. e2: i say that while having the white tree of gondor on my shoulder Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Feb 5, 2021 |
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