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TheWorldsaStage posted:Yeah I agree, but it is interesting she has/is allowed more recognition of things not being as they seem. Mr. Hart was hostile as well, but he was quickly punished for it after questioning them. I guess people come in and partially out of it. There's also the doctor that was planning to escape, he seemed partially aware.
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I feel like Herb was obviously very confused what with the cutting through the fence bit. That felt like something being wrong confusing him and breaking the control a little. Where Agnes was just chilling and speaking about the problem very clearly. That's the thing. Other characters have had moments where the break the control or have moments of confusion or clarity but Agnes has just always seemed aware of the nature of things. She definitely seems scared but she also seems like she's encouraging the whole sitcom nature of the delusion/fantasy/whatever. I felt like that's why she became concerned during the birthing episode, because things were going off script. And it led to Wanda remembering Pietro and Monica breaking the illusion and stuff starting to fall out of control. That feels to me like Agnes is "middle management." She's not the bad guy behind all his but she is somehow who understands the nature of things more than Wanda does but is still a bit of a prisoner of all this. That feels right to me with the Agatha Harkness as a witch making a deal with Mephisto theory but I could be seeing what I want to see.
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I think if Strange shows up at all it'll be as an after-credits thing in the last episode once Wanda's been taken into custody. He'll show up, go "Excuse me, I think I can handle this," and whisk her away before anyone can blink. Then, in Multiverse of Madness Wanda will be Strange's prisoner/protege.
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Feb 6, 2021 01:42
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Other random bits I liked: Jimmy Woo actually trying to "work the problem." Instead of you know trying to kill Wanda. Hex as a nod to her comic powers. Great acting chops at the end by Paul Bettany and Elisabeth Olsen. Elizabeth Hahn's acting and 80s work out gear.
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With the way the acting head of SWORD was asking relatively forcefully about if Wanda has ever had a codename or callsign, it makes me think he's an imposter or possibly from another universe where she is known as the Scarlet Witch. It also makes me wonder if they'll finally give her the moniker. I can't recall if she was ever referred to as a Witch in AOU but I don't think she was.
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Desperado Bones posted:Mr. Hart was hostile as well, but he was quickly punished for it after questioning them. I guess people come in and partially out of it. There's also the doctor that was planning to escape, he seemed partially aware. Yeah, I can buy the level of awareness for everyone ebbs and flows. Mooseontheloose posted:Other random bits I liked:
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Feb 6, 2021 01:48
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If I were Mojo, bringing in a special guest star to pump up the ratings would make a lot of sense. Also helps keep those pesky players distracted, and sticking to the drat script. Honestly, you just cant get good X-Men for your shows, these days.
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Feb 6, 2021 01:49
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So one thing that I haven't seen brought up: Pietro asks who the Popsicle is when he looks at Vision. To me that means that Pietro can tell that Vision is dead. I don't think he's someone like Mephisto masquerading as Pietro, because then he'd just be the MCU version. I think Wanda tried to bring Pietro back to life, but instead she pulled over the Fox version. Since he's from a different reality, he can see things as Wanda sees them. Also my theory on the whole thing: Wanda did go free Vision after learning what happened to his body. Because it's hosed up what they were doing to him. Then after rescuing him, she was overcome with grief because she couldn't bring him back to life. Now this is where the main villain comes in. Finding Wanda in her moment of weakness, the baddie says that he can help her bring Vision back and give her a perfect life. So they're living in a perfect dream world, right? So my guess is Nightmare is the one that manipulated Wanda and her reality bending powers to make Westview a reality. It's why she also can't remember how it started. I think this version of Nightmare is feeding off the grief and fear that the townspeople feel underneath the surface.
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Feb 6, 2021 01:54
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The costume design remains on point here. Everything looked 80s as gently caress and it was super cool the floating argument between Wanda and Vision was some A+++ acting. Vision's anxiety bursting was really well done. We also know now why Vision signed on to the Accords in the first place when his Ultron characterization might have suggested otherwise.
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AngryBooch posted:With the way the acting head of SWORD was asking relatively forcefully about if Wanda has ever had a codename or callsign, it makes me think he's an imposter or possibly from another universe where she is known as the Scarlet Witch. It also makes me wonder if they'll finally give her the moniker. I can't recall if she was ever referred to as a Witch in AOU but I don't think she was. I read that as Hayward just being a dick to Jimmy some more, belittling him and his interest in superheroes. "Oh, does your favourite hero have a special name? What's her power rating? Wanna show us her trading card?"
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Codependent Poster posted:So one thing that I haven't seen brought up: Pietro asks who the Popsicle is when he looks at Vision. To me that means that Pietro can tell that Vision is dead. I don't think he's someone like Mephisto masquerading as Pietro, because then he'd just be the MCU version. I think Wanda tried to bring Pietro back to life, but instead she pulled over the Fox version. Since he's from a different reality, he can see things as Wanda sees them.
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Phylodox posted:I read that as Hayward just being a dick to Jimmy some more, belittling him and his interest in superheroes. "Oh, does your favourite hero have a special name? What's her power rating? Wanna show us her trading card?" Extremely weird thing for him to get aggro about considering his ex-boss was an Air Force pilot with the callsign Photon but he could just be a dick.
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AngryBooch posted:Extremely weird thing for him to get aggro about considering his ex-boss was an Air Force pilot with the callsign Photon but he could just be a dick. I mean, we already know he's kind of a dick to Jimmy with the "Someone must miss you at Quantico" snipe.
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I thought it was weird when Darcy is calling Hayward a dick and it cuts to him saying "terrorist"; last week I thought he was just a dude in charge, but now I think there's more to him (but nothing supernatural)
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So I'm thinking that this show is how X-men are going to be introduced into the main universe. Basically, a reverse No More Mutants
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AngryBooch posted:With the way the acting head of SWORD was asking relatively forcefully about if Wanda has ever had a codename or callsign, it makes me think he's an imposter or possibly from another universe where she is known as the Scarlet Witch. It also makes me wonder if they'll finally give her the moniker. I can't recall if she was ever referred to as a Witch in AOU but I don't think she was. Tony calls her "that little witch" when hulkbustering the hulk, but in that Tony Stark kind of way
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I'd like to take a moment to appreciate how well Asif Ali did the jackknifing between distress and oblivious sitcom chum when Vision let him back into the hex. Also it's impressive how Vision's workplace really seems to be the same set as from the 50's episode, but entirely appropriate for the age. The house interior as well, it will be interesting to see if the cavernous layout of what is clearly a sitcom set will be replaced with something that looks more realistic by the time they hit the 2000s, especially the ridiculously high-ceilinged kitchen. It looks like it won't happen, but I still want Hahn to be Liv Octavius. I guess Mephisto makes sense and she seems to not be affected quite the same as people like Herb and Norm, but also doesn't seem so powerful or in control. There's just something in how she asked Wanda "You can do that?", which seems like something Mephisto would know going in. IShallRiseAgain posted:So I'm thinking that this show is how X-men are going to be introduced into the main universe. Basically, a reverse No More Mutants Ah, they screwed this all up: No, More Mutants! It would be great if Wanda enacts a fold-in of the Fox continuity next episode, it would let them be nineties as gently caress about it! Although it robs Deadpool 3 of the jokes about migrating between continuities without explanation in a way only Wade is aware of. But with that said, dropping Wade into Westview with his forth-wall-vision could be a fun exercise for an episode. BizarroAzrael fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Feb 6, 2021 |
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E: Not edit, whoops.STAC Goat posted:I feel like Herb was obviously very confused what with the cutting through the fence bit. That felt like something being wrong confusing him and breaking the control a little. Where Agnes was just chilling and speaking about the problem very clearly. It could be that Wanda was inside, and everything gets a bit less "detailed" when she's not present. Hence Vision working at a place that doesn't appear to actually do anything.
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I appreciated the use of the Commodore 64 for the 80s business machine. It was a great nod to how shows constantly misuse hardware/software and in-show I assume that’s due to Wanda’s inexperience with computers of that era and that’s her assumption of what computers were like everywhere.
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I have a theory about you-know-who but it's based on the leaked footage and it's not very specific anyway so whatever
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AngryBooch posted:With the way the acting head of SWORD was asking relatively forcefully about if Wanda has ever had a codename or callsign, it makes me think he's an imposter or possibly from another universe where she is known as the Scarlet Witch. It also makes me wonder if they'll finally give her the moniker. I can't recall if she was ever referred to as a Witch in AOU but I don't think she was. Not directly, but Tony Stark does tell Banner/Hulk "that little witch is messing with your brain" in AoU.
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AngryBooch posted:With the way the acting head of SWORD was asking relatively forcefully about if Wanda has ever had a codename or callsign, it makes me think he's an imposter or possibly from another universe where she is known as the Scarlet Witch. It also makes me wonder if they'll finally give her the moniker. I can't recall if she was ever referred to as a Witch in AOU but I don't think she was. I figured it out, he's driving that home because only the good guys (more or less) have code names in the MCU. So by emphasizing that she doesn't have a code name he's reinforcing the notion that Wanda is bad
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So I legit thought this show was bad two episodes in. Obviously like most of this thread I'm now on board, but it got me thinking of what didn't work for me. It's entirely how they dropped the episodes. It should have been first four dropped at once. Because 1,2,3 is just hard on the sitcom, and while the mystery is there, it's just a bit too self indulgent. Episodes 4 and 5 make this compelling, and also the more that our other leads are in this the better, since they play their roles very well. (And we already know our two mains are great). Still though, I do love where they started and where they took this, just needed to get there sooner.
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A fun production thing I've noticed is how they switch from the classic sitcom three-camera setup to a more cinematic style whenever someone realizes weird poo poo it happening or breaks the plot. Wanda momentarily loses focus on her TV show and switches to modern/movie style filmmaking, but as soon as it gets back on track it resumes the standard format.
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A little disappointed this ended on a cliffhanger. I could have settled in and watched cool uncle Pietro for a bit. Other than that solid episode. Speculating the kids are at least somewhat self aware and autonomous. Or at least Billy as it would fit his comic counterpart as being the demiurge.
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Agnes also might be there to kind of keep an eye on Wanda at the behest of whoever is behind it. She knows Wanda is dangerous but whoever sent her is even more dangerous. Would explain why she just shows up and moves things along because whoever it is wants that.
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Hahn has absolutely crushed every era she's gotten to play.
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so, barring the possibility that Aaron Taylor-Johnson returns as Pietro at some point in the last four episodes, I wonder whether there's bad blood between him and Marvel or whether he just didn't want to return. more likely the latter though
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Moreau posted:If I were Mojo, bringing in a special guest star to pump up the ratings would make a lot of sense. Also helps keep those pesky players distracted, and sticking to the drat script. Glad I’m not the only deep cut nerd that thought of Mojo. I swear to God, if it’s fuckin’ Arcade...
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Rewatching. Not going to go looking for it but whoever posted that this part was super unsettling was SPOT on: Agnes abruptly breaking her cheery character to worriedly ask if Wanda wants her to take it from the top That made me so uncomfortable. Like much more so than anything else we’ve seen in this show, and I can’t put my finger on why. some kinda jackal fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Feb 6, 2021 |
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re: the twins: it seems weird that nobody at SWORD seems particularly concerned about Billy/Tommy, their abilities (?) or their overall significance, since i'd think they'd be key to Wanda's whole motivation here of course i say that as a comic fan who knows that there's no way you introduce those characters without them playing a key role
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Martytoof posted:Rewatching. Not going to go looking for it but whoever posted that this past was super unsettling was SPOT on: that scene really makes me wonder what Agnes thinks Wanda knows -- like it seems like she thinks that Wanda is well aware of everything going on and is basically acting as a director, and she expected Wanda to react normally to her treating the role she's playing like she's an actor no idea where i'm going with this, but it seems like there's tension between how in charge people like Agnes think Wanda is versus how in charge she actually is. probably something to do with the literal multiple personalities she appears to have right now, the American Sitcom Wanda appears to be a lot less self-aware than Actual Sokovian Wanda
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Are things different enough from the comics that the people posting spoilers from them could be wrong? Otherwise I might just check out from the thread.
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:Are things different enough from the comics that the people posting spoilers from them could be wrong? Oh, sorry. Just a visual comparison. House of M is quite different to the show by all accounts. I just shared it as it's an obvious visual nod I also realised that Wanda is literally married to the source of her powers, the mind stone
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:Are things different enough from the comics that the people posting spoilers from them could be wrong? This series hasn't followed any comic storyline. It's pulled inspiration from a lot, but it's doing its own thing.
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LionArcher posted:So I legit thought this show was bad two episodes in. Obviously like most of this thread I'm now on board, but it got me thinking of what didn't work for me. It's entirely how they dropped the episodes. It should have been first four dropped at once. Because 1,2,3 is just hard on the sitcom, and while the mystery is there, it's just a bit too self indulgent. Episodes 4 and 5 make this compelling, and also the more that our other leads are in this the better, since they play their roles very well. (And we already know our two mains are great). Still though, I do love where they started and where they took this, just needed to get there sooner. I dunno, I was locked in during the choking scene from episode 1. The most Lynchian thing I've seen in ages- and from freaking MARVEL, no less.
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Thanks! I super enjoy the speculation but was worried that maybe I was just outright spoiling myself.
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NowonSA posted:I'm very on board for the "pull back the curtain" reveal of exactly how the Westview situation began through some flashbacks, and I hope we get that in episode 7 or 8. We're definitely getting some kind of "how it started" flashback considering the trailers have a moment of black-and-white Vision lovingly greeting Wanda as if they hadn't seen each other in so long.
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