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Ghost Leviathan posted:In general, 'obvious mental illness as a cute character quirk/obvious fetish bait' is something that was nearly omnipresent for a while in a lot of media and has not aged well at all. That was one thing I really liked about Silver Linings Playbook. Bradley Cooper's character is introduced as a "quirky but misunderstood" guy, but gets worse and worse until he has a breakdown half-way through and finally starts taking his meds. Only then is he able to begin improving his life. I went into it thinking that it was going to be one of those movies where True Love cures all, and was pleasantly surprised.
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IshmaelZarkov posted:The muscial numbers aren't really traditional musical numbers. I'm a big fan of this early non-spoilery song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brzZQBSVMX0
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hawowanlawow posted:dracula aged just fine except for van helsing's optimism about Texas joining the union I recently just read through Dracula and i'm not sure if you're joking about that opinion or not because whenever Van Helsing would go on one of this screeds my eyes would just cross and i would skip almost the whole thing. So maybe his opinion on Texas is in there somewhere  Dracula is pretty yikes about it's female characters in general though. Mina Harker is both a poor woman who can't handle of the burden of the task of hunting dracula. But she lifts everybodies spirits by being so nice and cheerful! Then when she's actually attacked by Drac near the end of the book they are more ready to actually let her do things to help and she actually is pretty instrumental in them finding Drac on the way back to his castle. I wonder how the original audiences to the book handled those parts? Was it okay for woman characters to have actual agency for a bit as long as they remembered they were "Ms.Main Character Man Name" at the end of the day?
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The Shame Boy posted:Dracula is pretty yikes about it's female characters in general though. Mina Harker is both a poor woman who can't handle of the burden of the task of hunting dracula. But she lifts everybodies spirits by being so nice and cheerful! Then when she's actually attacked by Drac near the end of the book they are more ready to actually let her do things to help and she actually is pretty instrumental in them finding Drac on the way back to his castle. I wonder how the original audiences to the book handled those parts? Was it okay for woman characters to have actual agency for a bit as long as they remembered they were "Ms.Main Character Man Name" at the end of the day? I mean Dracula is more recent than something like Jane Eyre. So then as now it'd depend on the reader, I'd guess.
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The Shame Boy posted:I recently just read through Dracula and i'm not sure if you're joking about that opinion or not because whenever Van Helsing would go on one of this screeds my eyes would just cross and i would skip almost the whole thing. So maybe his opinion on Texas is in there somewhere the poster who corrected me was ...correct, it was renfield and not van helsing
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:But more Vancouver-accented Chinese phrases delivered with an attempted American old-west dialect on top of it, please. Yeah, deadwood
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the_steve posted:I think he hasn't tried that because 1) It goes against the image of himself that he likes to market, where he's one of the Woke Good Ones I think all his fans are having to be quiet about that and have nothing left but to go on suicide runs against Snyder.
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AceOfFlames posted:And yet Homeland only ended in 2020. Someone who hates themselves plz sunup this shows most mental and bad moments. Remember liking the first two seasons as a teenager but heard it got real real bad.
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I'm glad romcoms are dying.
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Gaunab posted:I'm glad romcoms are dying. I've said unironically that romcoms and associated media using their tropes are probably more responsible for loving up young people's ideas of relationships than porn.
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Feb 6, 2021 04:49
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I've said unironically that romcoms and associated media using their tropes are probably more responsible for loving up young people's ideas of relationships than porn. I’ve had a few relationships hosed up by weird romance movie expectations. I haven’t really run into that since my late twenties but it’s definitely a thing.
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Feb 6, 2021 04:55
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Mostly the idea of 'you only ever get one shot to Confess Your Love to your Love Interest, and if you blow it then you've failed the script' is a big part of why we have incels.
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Feb 6, 2021 05:05
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Calico Heart posted:Someone who hates themselves plz sunup this shows most mental and bad moments. Remember liking the first two seasons as a teenager but heard it got real real bad. I stopped watching after the 3rd season. From what I remember she went off her meds at one point in the first season and pieced everything together during a manic phase, but nobody believed her because she was in a manic phase and she got her security clearance revoked or something.
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more kevin sorbo fun, but this time not from hercules: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlondt_U4w4 guy: your bride is over three thousand years old sorbo: she said she was 19! i remember watching that trailer and raising the old eyebrow at that part, even as a 12 year old. just to be clear, sorbo would have been 39 by this point.
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Feb 6, 2021 05:56
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What are the best discussions from 2017 on this thread? MeToo exploding in October must've been wild there.Inspector Gesicht posted:Who needs Moore when you have Araki and Urasawa?
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I definitely had an ex who was looking for a romcom life.
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Feb 6, 2021 10:40
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She didn't choose the romcom life, the romcom life chose her. It's pretty funny how the main draw of this movie seems to be "There's boobs in this movie!....and also Kevin Sorbo I guess."
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Feb 6, 2021 11:24
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Alhazred posted:She didn't choose the romcom life, the romcom life chose her. For 11 year old me that's all I needed.
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Feb 6, 2021 11:42
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hawowanlawow posted:the poster who corrected me was ...correct, it was renfield and not van helsing The biggest problem with Dracula is clearly that Van Helsing is supposedly Dutch when he's actually speaking German.
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Calico Heart posted:Someone who hates themselves plz sunup this shows most mental and bad moments. Remember liking the first two seasons as a teenager but heard it got real real bad. The protagonist at one point tried to drown her baby daughter in the tub during a fit of postpartum depression and it was pretty much glossed over.
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Alhazred posted:She didn't choose the romcom life, the romcom life chose her. Yeah he's a joke now but during that time when Hercules was running he was basically perfectly suited for simple, mostly comedy focused action roles.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Mostly the idea of 'you only ever get one shot to Confess Your Love to your Love Interest, and if you blow it then you've failed the script' is a big part of why we have incels. Or related to that, that you can persist with someone who just doesnt see how much they're in love with you yet. How real relationships form would make pretty boring films, but that doesnt make films a good model.
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DeafNote posted:The biggest problem with Dracula is clearly that Van Helsing is supposedly Dutch when he's actually speaking German. They're the same country dummy. That's why they call it Dutchland.
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Disco Pope posted:Or related to that, that you can persist with someone who just doesnt see how much they're in love with you yet. How real relationships form would make pretty boring films, but that doesnt make films a good model. There are just so many hosed up concepts in romcoms. That there is a "perfect one" out there for you. And only one. So you should feel free to totally destroy your current relationship chasing that dream. If your "perfect one" is already in a relationship, destroy their relationship. If you really love her, wait until the day she is marrying someone else to confess your love in front of everyone. Acting like a creepy stalker is actually romantic if you are "meant to be". You need to test their love. The crueller the test, the better.
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The problem isn't romcoms. The problem is morons believing that they're real and not fiction.
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Pop culture effects how people think, you can whine about it but that won’t ever change
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Plus antisocial boys don’t usually watch romantic comedies on their own. It’s more that a general overlapping set of ideas about relationships also infects teen movies generally, or stories that are about either sad boys or awesome heroes but which feature a romance plot or a girl suddenly falling for the hero after he saves the day.
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I remember being a child and watching Urkel say "I'm wearing you down!" to his unrequited love interest, Laura Winslow for literally years until he actually did wear her down and "won" the girl. I think by inventing a rocket ship or something, it's been a while. Anyways, you don't need to specifically watch romcom movies to have really weird toxic dynamics displayed for you in popular culture. And if you see too much of that when you're an actual child, it's going to program you a bit.
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It's more that romantic subplots in literally everything draw directly from romcoms usually without even the setting and context they have. Like, even shows that mostly have romantic relationships happen offscreen are better. Dragon Ball actually comes to mind, as a lot of relationships are shown as rocky, weird and not even necessarily ideal, but still more realistically and nuanced than nearly all anime, let alone cartoons and TV. Hell, let's get into DBZ a bit. Goku and Chi-Chi are interesting since some of the nuance of their relationship is lost in the dub- namely, they're both given accents of backwoods mountain hicks in the original, with surprisingly similar stereotypes to American equivalents as a result. (yes, been compared to Cletus and Brandine from the Simpsons and it's not entirely off the mark) Them having very few public displays of affection tracks with this, in something that got also maybe lost in the dub of Super where Goku is apparently surprised at someone kissing their wife in public (which has Vegeta of all people wonder how he's still married) and a few people wonder why they stick together, but Chi-Chi's traditional enough to stick with the one man who accidentally accepted her marriage proposal when he was a tween. Well, that and Goku is a thoughtless, literal alien weirdo but he's stupid hot and definitely loyal. We see worse in r/relationships every day. (also, after the Buu saga, he's technically ten years younger) Bulma and Vegeta is an interesting one, since the subtext is their relationship was based pretty much entirely on physical attraction to start with (and Bulma dumping Yamcha because of possibly unfounded jealousy) but they eventually formed a working relationship after Vegeta learned some hard lessons about fatherhood, and by Super, Vegeta actually seems surprised by his capacity to care, and is dealing with his emotional and social boundaries because he wants to be with his family. (funny thing is the opening episodes of Super kinda read as Vegeta having massive social anxiety issues) There's a whole thing with that in the final saga, but really more interesting when he's so hesitant to actually join a super important fight that Whis magically accelerates Bulma's pregnancy to a neat clean newborn just to get it out of the way. (which Bulma takes pretty much in stride probably because she's dealt with unending weirdness since she was a teenager) Krillin and 18 is an interesting one, for a few reasons, but I think a key point is- he demonstrated he had power over her, and then voluntarily gave it up, at massive personal risk (and kinda disastrous overall consequences, but hey) specifically because he felt so utterly uncomfortable with it. A way more solid basis for a relationship than most, especially since there was a previously established mutual attraction. And frankly, they probably have the best relationship of the lot, even with Krillin looking for an actual job and becoming a cop (at the very least, an incredibly restrained and professional one given at that point, even after going to seed, he's at a power level comparable to some versions of Superman) because of 18 apparently having expensive tastes, they both seem perfectly happy. And her brother 17 implicitly trusts her judgement on that- that if he's keeping her happy, he's worth her time. (will admit that Dragon Ball Abridged has overwritten a fair few of my memories of DBZ, but hey)
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Goku marries chi chi after their third meeting and only because he made a promise he felt bad breaking despite not understanding what he promised Vegeta and Bulma is standard girl falls for bad boy you can fix 18 and Krillin is based on a grand gesture. These are all fairly common rom com tropes outside Goku I guess
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At least 18 didn't immediately fall for Krillin after said grand gesture. But then again DBZ romance usually happens offscreen anyway.Solice Kirsk posted:They're the same country dummy. That's why they call it Dutchland. Dont make me use the hard G! (Speaking of media that hasn't aged well, anything that shows the Netherlands as being a meadow full of tulips and windmills)
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DeafNote posted:At least 18 didn't immediately fall for Krillin after said grand gesture. But then again DBZ romance usually happens offscreen anyway. Is this not accurate? https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/GF13-066NO_Nether_Gundam
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Len posted:Is this not accurate? Oh boy, do Mexico's gundam next, this is definitely the thread for it
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Hellblazer187 posted:I remember being a child and watching Urkel say "I'm wearing you down!" to his unrequited love interest, Laura Winslow for literally years until he actually did wear her down and "won" the girl. I think by inventing a rocket ship or something, it's been a while. Anyways, you don't need to specifically watch romcom movies to have really weird toxic dynamics displayed for you in popular culture. And if you see too much of that when you're an actual child, it's going to program you a bit. I thought it was noted cool guy Stefan Urquelle and not perpetual nice guy Steve Urkel that Laura fell for.
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Len posted:Is this not accurate? 
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Len posted:Is this not accurate? quote:Nether Typhoon wtf lol
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Oh boy, do Mexico's gundam next, this is definitely the thread for it https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/GF13-049NM_Tequila_Gundam At least the American Gundam aged well https://gundam.fandom.com/wiki/GF13-006NAII_Gundam_Max_Revolver
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Speaking of poorly aged gundam, Speed Racer everybody! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtQBUFMgi_U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mH8_YANlah8
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oldpainless posted:I thought it was noted cool guy Stefan Urquelle and not perpetual nice guy Steve Urkel that Laura fell for. ehhhhh....kinda sorta initially urkel would transform into stefan, which would make laura very happy. however, urkel also developed a surprisingly mutual relationship with myra as well, and suddenly had to decide whether he wanted her or laura. so in typical urkel fashion, he decided to bake his cake and eat it too, and so he cloned himself, letting the clone become stefan while he remained as urkel. now after that i'm not exactly sure what happened. i think stefan went off to become a fashion model or something, dunno what happened to myra (but her actress wound up dying sadly  ), and then urkel went to be an astronaut and proposed to laura and she accepted. i'm not clear on the details since i stopped watching after the show moved to CBS
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CharlestheHammer posted:Goku marries chi chi after their third meeting and only because he made a promise he felt bad breaking despite not understanding what he promised As said, most of the romance parts take place offscreen, at least. Bulma and Vegeta is at least more interesting since Bulma is at first fairly resigned to being basically a single mother, and in one future does a very good job of it, while Vegeta's deal is a little more complex than that, complete with a relapse because he really doesn't know what to do with himself besides being a conquering warlord til he very eventually realises he likes having a family, and even a friend. I made another joke in r/relationships that he works out better than Sasuke who ends up explicitly a deadbeat dad. Steven Universe, which takes a lot of implicit and explicit riffs on DBZ, is pretty good on deliberately averting romcom-derivated relationship cliches. Garnet explicitly says to a human infatuated with her that 'Love takes time, and love takes work' and there's repeated examples of romantic false starts, and in some cases hammered home with Steven's ideas of what would be ideal relationships not working out, for others and for him. Ghost Leviathan has a new favorite as of 19:15 on Feb 6, 2021 |
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