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NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

LASER BEAM DREAM posted:

I've completely stalled out after like 1.5 hours of actual progression. I have plenty of leather to continue, but I'm having too much fun playing architectural design simulator!

At first, I was stymied trying to build a house like you would in Minecraft, frame out the walls, build the roof, etc. With the tops parts of my house in tatters on the ground, I remembered Pillars of the Earth from reading it a decade or so ago. Though I've forgotten large parts of the plot(except for the protagonist's mom pissing on the bible), I remember the focus on arches for building strength, especially with heavy materials.

With that in mind, I started experimenting with cross bracing the roof structure. It works exactly as you would expect! Once I get the roof on this sucker I may actually see what the rest of the game is about.



Someone mentioned making a Valheim thread earlier. Is someone going to jump on that? If not I have to dust off my bbcode reference sheet.

You can make big log beams if you chop down some pine trees.

e. don't forget to build a chimney over your fireplaces

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Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Hell Gem

Fart Car '97 posted:

No you probably just hit a biome between you and it. Sometimes you run into small biomes.

Oof yeah you’re right. This is a motherfucker though. It’s almost ringed in this thin line of plains biome which seems like end game. I built a house and portal on the plains shore before realizing how hosed I was.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


So is there a goon server or anything for Valheim? Based on stuff like Conan Exiles these sort of things can be more fun with goons, even if you rarely team up. Just being able to visit other people's settlements/homesteads or chat while doing your own thing is kinda neat.

GruntyThrst
Oct 9, 2007

*clang*

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

You can make big log beams if you chop down some pine trees.

e. don't forget to build a chimney over your fireplaces

Windows also work for smoke dissipation!

Ambaire
Sep 4, 2009

by Shine
Oven Wrangler
poo poo like this is what I live for! Smashing an oak tree with another oak tree from the other side of this meadow. Already got the fine wood bow from another oak tree, this time without even making the crude one to begin with.


Ambaire fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Feb 10, 2021

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

Do we know when release is due?

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
No but there's a roadmap

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
lol i love the muninn line just sitting there at the end

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
ARK: Survival Evolved is 80% off. I always thought you could only play on the official servers but it looks like there is local hosting as well as a solo mode.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Yeah plains biome is near endgame. Shits rough.

TeaJay
Oct 9, 2012


Ambaire posted:

poo poo like this is what I live for! Smashing an oak tree with another oak tree from the other side of this meadow. Already got the fine wood bow from another oak tree, this time without even making the crude one to begin with.


I tried this on the birches, and got a tree down, but the log itself didn't take any damage after that even when I tried rolling it around into stones and beech trees.

Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

ARK: Survival Evolved is 80% off. I always thought you could only play on the official servers but it looks like there is local hosting as well as a solo mode.

Yeah, you could always play it locally. You can self host a network server as well

LASER BEAM DREAM
Nov 3, 2005

Oh, what? So now I suppose you're just going to sit there and pout?

Azhais posted:

Yeah, you could always play it locally. You can self host a network server as well

I’ve kinda ignored this entire genre until Valheim. How do Conan, Ark and others compare? So far I’m really into the building mechanics.

Jusupov
May 24, 2007
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Azhais
Feb 5, 2007
Switchblade Switcharoo

LASER BEAM DREAM posted:

I’ve kinda ignored this entire genre until Valheim. How do Conan, Ark and others compare? So far I’m really into the building mechanics.

I haven't played Valheim, "dark souls combat" is the fastest way you can drive me from considering a game.

I didn't find conan's building all that great when I played it. Pretty lovely color palette and it was all pretty utilitarian for pvp purposes. Could be better now who knows, I have little interest in returning.

Ark I very much enjoyed, have like 950 hours in it. Riding around on dinosaurs was cool and there were a lot of great mod buildings and some really nice maps. Couldn't say much about recent expansions, it's been a couple years since I played.

GruntyThrst
Oct 9, 2007

*clang*

Pretty sure I just saw Odin peeking in on me from under a tree.

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


I really don't get the comparisons to Dark Souls combat with Valheim. It's absolutely nothing like that. If anything, the combat is just kinda generic hack-and-slash.

Unless people sort of assume that "Dark Souls" combat means "oh you should dodge occasionally", which I mean... yeah. But that has never been specific to Dark Souls.

Inexplicable Humblebrag
Sep 20, 2003

"slow, unforgiving, reliant on telegraphed attacks, and not very good", presumably

i like vanheim but it's currently weirdly balanced; whoever posted about spending most combat time walking around regenning stamina was correct

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

Drone posted:

I really don't get the comparisons to Dark Souls combat with Valheim. It's absolutely nothing like that. If anything, the combat is just kinda generic hack-and-slash.

Unless people sort of assume that "Dark Souls" combat means "oh you should dodge occasionally", which I mean... yeah. But that has never been specific to Dark Souls.
A lot of the time it seems to have become shorthand for "You have a stamina meter and enemies hit like a truck".

That said, even if they copy/pasted directly the greatest hits of Darksouls/bloodborne/sekiro itself for your combat movement, crafting tiers game by it's very nature can't replicate that same feeling of your initial Darksouls "After many hours using your lategame named weapon and greatshields, turns out your longsword and starting shield are ALSO some of the strongest items in the whole game, and now you have enough practice (and spare upgrade materials) to notice" loop.

To be fair, most games devs or fans describe as "Soulslike combat" skip glorifying the convenient parts of souls combat, even for the actual souls games. Making the collective gamer consciousness deciding it should be more about...

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

whoever posted about spending most combat time walking around regenning stamina was correct

Sankis
Mar 8, 2004

But I remember the fella who told me. Big lad. Arms as thick as oak trees, a stunning collection of scars, nice eye patch. A REAL therapist he was. Er wait. Maybe it was rapist?


GruntyThrst posted:

Pretty sure I just saw Odin peeking in on me from under a tree.

Yup. I have a ton of screenshots of this happening. Its so loving creepy and cool.

Vib Rib
Jul 23, 2007

God damn this shit is
fuckin' re-dic-a-liss

🍖🍖😛🍖🍖

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

i like vanheim but it's currently weirdly balanced; whoever posted about spending most combat time walking around regenning stamina was correct
Similarly most of the non-combat time is spent walking

Evrart Claire
Jan 11, 2008
Liking valheim so far, up to exploring the 2nd biome. Main complaints though:

10 stacks a bit too low for chests, they're easy to make a ton of but I'd rather have less of my housing area just clusters of boxes.
The early area could stand to be a bit more dense with enemies and maybe have a couple things that spawn at night that are more dangerous, like in terraria. Even for the tutorialish feel it's a kinda slow start. Especially if not many boars/deer are spawning since leather/hides gate a lot of early stuff.
Make base out of combat health/stam regen a little faster. Even with 3 foods going it feels like I'm waiting a long time between fights.
Can probably make beech trees a little less durable. It takes a ton of wood to make any sort of starting hovel that can fit a bed/fire.

LawfulWaffle
Mar 11, 2014

Well, that aligns with the vibes I was getting. Which was, like, "normal" kinda vibes.
I didn’t realize how easy it is to collect flint and only found enough for an axe upgrade in a chest after the first boss. I’m smelting bronze ore and just noticed all the flint while I was looking for tin, makes me feel like a chump for dungeon diving with my rags.

I got my 10th core in the second dungeon but wasn’t done exploring it, despite my rags being broken I decided to open a door to a bone pile before cutting my losses and retreating. Now I have that dungeon marked and expect there to be a few more treasures inside along with being bursting with skeletons.

Is there a good resource on how to build effective homes? My foundation is all screwy from raising and leveling the ground, and I have a novice understanding of framework but still plenty of parts of my roof look like they’re about to collapse from neighboring weight.

Pigbottom
Sep 23, 2007

Time is never wasted when you're wasted all the time.
I really like valheim. It's pretty much what I dream about when I play atlas or sea of thieves, a chill sailing/crafting game that has some pve to spice it up a bit.

My main complaints so far are:

- Lack of hold mouse button to mine/chop. That's really bad for people with hands/wrist problems
- having to hold the right mouse button + direction + space to dodge feels horrible.
- flattening the ground takes too much drat stamina and it gets frustrating really fast.
edit: - also the hit detection is pretty hosed up with some weapons I died once in a dungeon when near a door in a narrow corridor my spear kept hitting the door instead of the skeleton.

Pigbottom fucked around with this message at 14:08 on Feb 10, 2021

Fart Car '97
Jul 23, 2003

Zerilan posted:

Liking valheim so far, up to exploring the 2nd biome. Main complaints though:

10 stacks a bit too low for chests, they're easy to make a ton of but I'd rather have less of my housing area just clusters of boxes.
The early area could stand to be a bit more dense with enemies and maybe have a couple things that spawn at night that are more dangerous, like in terraria. Even for the tutorialish feel it's a kinda slow start. Especially if not many boars/deer are spawning since leather/hides gate a lot of early stuff.
Make base out of combat health/stam regen a little faster. Even with 3 foods going it feels like I'm waiting a long time between fights.
Can probably make beech trees a little less durable. It takes a ton of wood to make any sort of starting hovel that can fit a bed/fire.
Be careful what you wish for with night time. Biome 3-4 are basically no-go zones at night.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

LASER BEAM DREAM posted:

I’ve kinda ignored this entire genre until Valheim. How do Conan, Ark and others compare? So far I’m really into the building mechanics.

I've only got a few hours into ARK but it looks like the building options are more extensive than Valheim. So far I have moved out of my little thatch hut and deforested a hill to build my two-story dino ranch/hunting lodge.

e. The building is a bit clunkier than in Valheim as you need to pre-fab all your building pieces before you place them.

NoNotTheMindProbe fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Feb 10, 2021

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:


How's Ark solo or in a tiny group (2-3 people tops)?

HexiDave
Mar 20, 2009

Drone posted:

How's Ark solo or in a tiny group (2-3 people tops)?

It can be a lot of fun, but for the love of god look into upping some of the basic multipliers: taming speed, harvesting, etc. The defaults are based on the official servers, balanced against slowing down mega-tribes and are heinous.

LASER BEAM DREAM
Nov 3, 2005

Oh, what? So now I suppose you're just going to sit there and pout?

HexiDave posted:

It can be a lot of fun, but for the love of god look into upping some of the basic multipliers: taming speed, harvesting, etc. The defaults are based on the official servers, balanced against slowing down mega-tribes and are heinous.

I caved and bought Ark even though I'm just starting Valheim. Is there a guide for configuring a decently balanced solo session?

dogstile
May 1, 2012

fucking clocks
how do they work?
Valheim chat:

Honestly, I didn't find solo to be that much of a slog, but you do kinda need to know what to do and a lot of it isn't obvious.

Food is a big one. Cooking meat gives you massive stamina and health boosts. Because you have three slots you'll want to eat ideally, three different types of meat, but you can't do that at first. You can eat cooked meat, cooked necktail and honey as an early game food and you'll pretty much triple your health right there, you get about 95 and a ton of stamina from it.

The other thing is making sure you have the rested buff. You only really want to be doing things with that buff on you, because otherwise your stamina regen is ridiculously slow. You can make it last longer by building furniture in your house to raise the comfort level. Most of my huts have a bed, deer rug, then maybe a table + chair if i'm near anything that'll give me finewood.

I'll spoil my progression, but i'll go up to the first set of mining.



1. Grab stone and wood, cut down a couple of trees and make a tiny hut. You don't really need anything more than a few squares of space for a workbench and a bed, but you can go bigger. Build until bored.
2. Grab flint and food, go kill the first boss. You don't need any fancy tiered armour for this, but I would recommend leather and a tower shield. You don't need a bow. Make sure you have the rested buff, it'll be raining and that will debuff you. The rested buff will counter that.
3. You now have the stamina forsaken power. Make some runs into the forest to raid some dungeons. You need 10 surtling cores.
4. Go mine copper + tin and make yourself a cart + a bronze pickaxe first. You only need one two copper and one tin to make the bronze needed for a cart. You will need 18 pieces of copper and 9 tin for both. Using the cart means you'll be able to do this in one trip and just make huts whenever you need to rest.
5. This'll get you bronze armour. The next boss is the elder, you don't need potions for him but i'd recommend it.



Most of the compaints I see about the combat system is people fighting in wet weather while not being rested/eating lovely food. Just make huts wherever you travel and maybe have a proper home base in the meadows for when you want to do a ton of smelting. You will eventually want to make a second base for smelting too though. I'm currently trying to make a giant stone fort for that and it was a massive mistake, i'll need thousands of stone.

Also, enemies scale to your group level so if you want to fight a boss a second time and your group doesn't, i'd recommend doing it on a solo world. The other thing about beating bosses is that it seems to increase the spawns of nastier enemies in zones. We're now encountering brutes in our starting meadows.

GruntyThrst
Oct 9, 2007

*clang*

You must have a much nicer seed than mine because all my metals are on the sides of mountains, carts are a no go

edit: oh god I made this post while sailing and I looked back and there's a loving sea serpent oh god of gently caress I don't want to die out here

Also, build your main base on the coast. Chances are you'll need to transport metal across the sea, you don't want to have do that over land as well.

GruntyThrst fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Feb 10, 2021

TeaJay
Oct 9, 2012


We met the serpent on our first raft on the ocean but he hasn't shown up since. Makes me think if he's scripted to appear on the first time but stays away when you got a proper boat.

GruntyThrst
Oct 9, 2007

*clang*

This is my third or so round trip in the Karver so it's definitely not that.

Jusupov
May 24, 2007
only text
Pretty sure it's location based.

Endgame rant Why does the endgame armor need iron again when you got a perfectly good material in black metal. Stuck doing poo poo tier swamp when I could be genociding plains camps

Jawnycat
Jul 9, 2015

LASER BEAM DREAM posted:

I’ve kinda ignored this entire genre until Valheim. How do Conan, Ark and others compare? So far I’m really into the building mechanics.

I've extensively played both; escaped the exiled lands in Conan and 100% alpha ascended'd Ark (Do Not Do This). Of the two, I'd say Conan is the best, especially if you like the building, albiet with the caveat that your going to want to buy a few of the DLC packs just for variety in building materials and decorative objects. (The DLC's are all purely aesthetic poo poo, but good, chunky packs of it that put basegame stuff to shame) You can make some really pretty stuff in Conan once you learn the quirks and oddities of it's building system, whereas Ark always feels super utilitarian in it's structures. Being able to fill your structures with NPC's in Conan even if they are little more than glorified furniture is nice. And, most importantly imho, Conan actually respects your goddamn time, unlike Ark.

Here's some random old Conan screenshots dug up from the goon server discord, which I think is still up:

Promotional image from one of the DLC's IIRC


A section from my base from back when I played


Someone's cliffside encampment


Lighthouse tower full of bears and spiders after the unfortunate 'front fell off' incident


Sadly couldn't dig up any overview shots of buttland, the main goonmade city, spread wide in all it's glory

Drone posted:

How's Ark solo or in a tiny group (2-3 people tops)?

It can be pretty alright depending on map, Island or Ragnarock are pretty good starters (Island if you care about the story, Rag for pure sandbox), tho like mentioned you really want to up the rates on things since the rates are balanced around like a 32+ man 24/7 active clan. Experiment with them to find what works with you, but going even 5x probably wouldn't be amiss. Just mind that the maturation rate for breeding dinosaurs can gently caress up the imprinting mechanic (basically, super strong buffs to dinos that you've raised) if it's too high.

You may also want to look into some automation mods, so you don't need to babysit things -constantly-, Ark absolutely does not respect your time and wants all of it. S+ is fairly good for that without drastically loving with vanilla balance and mechanics and also fixes a bunch of vanilla building issues as it started off as a 'fix how lovely vanilla building is' mod, eventually most of it's changes got mainlined, and it's mutated into what it is now. Though this is mostly only nice QoL stuff unless your breeding dinos, drat game wants you to literally spend an entire real-time weekend constantly shoving food into a babies mouth and if you look away for five minutes it will die gently caress you.

OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart
I had really wanted to get into stuff like Ark and Conan, but mechanics like deterioration of your built base over time if you decided to play another game for a bit just put me off.
I know things like that can be turned off, but thats generally up to everyone else/server owner not you.

Rhymenoserous
May 23, 2008
Yeah the did the breeding and imprinting poo poo in Atlas too. Some of our folks were literally setting alarms at 2am to make sure they cuddled a bear that was just going to drown two days later anyways. gently caress all that. There’s a reason I just stayed on my ship.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Jawnycat posted:

Someone's cliffside encampment

I look at that and go "Argh thats before I upgraded from desert sandstone!". Though this just made me realize I never took any good pictures of my Longhouse homestead. Then again its hard to take pictures of the whole thing it when its up against a cliff like that.



Anyways I'm really enjoying Valheim and looking forward to when I get a bit more geared, situated, and maybe find a few people to play with, and can start building a nice longhouse in that game.

thark
Mar 3, 2008

bork

Zerilan posted:

10 stacks a bit too low for chests, they're easy to make a ton of but I'd rather have less of my housing area just clusters of boxes.

This really is my main complaint with the game. Why is it that every goddamn survival game makes sorting through a hojillion different storage containers a core part of the gameplay?

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tildes
Nov 16, 2018

LawfulWaffle posted:

Is there a good resource on how to build effective homes? My foundation is all screwy from raising and leveling the ground, and I have a novice understanding of framework but still plenty of parts of my roof look like they’re about to collapse from neighboring weight.

If you haven’t noticed already, I think the color of pieces when you mouse over with your hammer while building can tell you how close it is to collapsing. Eg if you’re trying to put a log on a roof and it is red/orange, be careful.


Also, what does the arrow on the minimap mean? Your next objective you have to head to?

tildes fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Feb 10, 2021

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