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I think it's also worth noting that Eren never truly destroyed that walls that enclosed him - he just gave them legs to move with him.
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whalestory posted:And what are people's reading on Eren's sitdown with Mikasa, Armin, and Gabi where he talks about Ackerman's being slaves and beating up Armin? Armin later argues that Eren made that Ackerman master/slave thing up, but Mikasa pinning Armin down seemed pretty convincing at the time... which also makes me wonder why Eren keeps insisting that he's not a slave and that he's free. That freedom doesn't seem to necessarily jive with is future actions, but I dunno. That part really stood out to me as a "doth protest to much" situation. "I'm not being controlled by my past shifters, your being controlled by past shifters!" So to me, seems obvious that he is being controlled by past shifters. But then the question is who? Eren already was off before eating the warhammer, so thats probably out. So that leaves foundation titan and attack titan shifters. Attack titan we only know two, his dad and the guy who gave it to his dad. His dad seemed to be controlled by erens future memories, so thats probably out. Perhaps the guy who gave the attack titan to his dad, that guy surely had enough reason to hate marley, but to wreck the entire world? Well so far its just marley that is wrecked anyway. Theres also the foundation titan past shifters, aka the royal family. But theyve been under the vow of peace. Maybe one of them was truly pissed off about that and is now making their move? Erens weirdness seemed to have started at touching historia so could be a good fit. Or maybe its a situation of the attack titan itself, it seems to have a thing where its always at revolts and seems to be all about being against slavery. Since they all came from ymir, maybe the attack titan is an aspect of ymir that desires freedom? Anyway enough options, and really hard to tell now who exactly. It probably at least is someone we have seen before. It all coming from some past shifter we have never even seen is bad writing. I guess we will know in two chapters.
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Feb 10, 2021 07:58
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Captain_duck posted:Anyway enough options, and really hard to tell now who exactly. It probably at least is someone we have seen before. It all coming from some past shifter we have never even seen is bad writing. I guess we will know in two chapters. Imagine if they end the story with "worm-kun was controlling Eren's memories all along" and make it the real final boss of the series. The last-minute relevance of the hallucigenia makes me worry about this.
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Feb 10, 2021 08:04
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I doubt Wormulon is controlling Eren. If it is that’s laaaaame
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Feb 10, 2021 08:09
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The Spineworm probably is just what Zeke was talking about this last chapter. It just wants to reproduce. I doubt theres more to it then that and i doubt we will ever know.
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Feb 10, 2021 08:53
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Captain_duck posted:That part really stood out to me as a "doth protest to much" situation. "I'm not being controlled by my past shifters, your being controlled by past shifters!" The point of the trip down Grisha's memory lane is that it's always been Eren. The fundamental difference of the Attack Titan, the Advancing Titan, is that while the rest are influenced by the past as bearers of the burden of history, the Attack Titan is influenced by the future. Not by previous bearers, but by those who were yet to come. And that all converges on Eren: he was the answer (or the key to the answer) to Ymir's wish to be free.
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whalestory posted:And what are people's reading on Eren's sitdown with Mikasa, Armin, and Gabi where he talks about Ackerman's being slaves and beating up Armin? Armin later argues that Eren made that Ackerman master/slave thing up, but Mikasa pinning Armin down seemed pretty convincing at the time... which also makes me wonder why Eren keeps insisting that he's not a slave and that he's free. That freedom doesn't seem to necessarily jive with is future actions, but I dunno. I’m just surprised Armin got pissed enough to throw down. Maybe he’s the one to eat Eren if it’s not Falco. He is the narrator in the anime after all.
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I’d have thought that Ymir would have been on Eren’s “I’m going to make sure things work out well for Historia no matter what” plan and not be part of the “he needs to be stopped” group. This seems like a weird change of character for her.
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Feb 10, 2021 19:08
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I don’t think that’s what happened
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Feb 10, 2021 19:09
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She saved Reiner from a Titan that was on his back so I’m not sure what else she could have been doing.
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Feb 10, 2021 19:12
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Ethiser posted:She saved Reiner from a Titan that was on his back so I’m not sure what else she could have been doing. It's pretty unlikely that she even has any idea what Historia's situation and motivations are wrt the craziness happening. Though even if she is aware via paths, there's always a chance that a deeper dive (if the author ever talks about this) would reveal she thinks this is what Historia needs.
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Feb 10, 2021 22:25
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The usual scanlation team just dropped their version of the new chapter. Glad I waited. That was pretty great.
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I agree with an earlier poster that Historia being missing from the actual on-page story is a real shame, and I hope she gets a spotlight in the next two chapters. Otherwise it feels like she's just been reduced to a plot device or a mechanism to motivate Eren.
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Feb 11, 2021 00:08
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this chapter was extremely anime and i loved it
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Feb 11, 2021 00:23
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A princess primarily used as a plot device for the main character who pilots a mech in a story about how war is bad? This was a gundam series all along.
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Feb 11, 2021 00:24
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how long until we're allowed to acknowledge that if this is how it actually ends then the series has flipped all the way back around to jingoism
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Feb 11, 2021 00:42
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Bleck posted:how long until we're allowed to acknowledge that if this is how it actually ends then the series has flipped all the way back around to jingoism Given that pretty much every character other than Eren agrees that what Eren is doing is morally wrong, uh, hopefully a while because that take would be pretty stupid.
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Feb 11, 2021 00:50
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Bleck posted:how long until we're allowed to acknowledge that if this is how it actually ends then the series has flipped all the way back around to jingoism Never? I can't even imagine how anyone would think that or somehow ignore everything each character has said/done to reach that conclusion. Your brain would literally have to stop working.
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Feb 11, 2021 00:56
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Buzzsaw Roomba posted:The usual scanlation team just dropped their version of the new chapter. Yeah, the Armin and Zeke conversation works a lot better there, I think. It's definitely the kind of scene where the translation matters a lot.
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Feb 11, 2021 00:57
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Buzzsaw Roomba posted:The usual scanlation team just dropped their version of the new chapter. That's much better translation than the leaks posted here before, thank you
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Feb 11, 2021 01:07
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Isayama is clearly a Cambria Sword fan deep cuts
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Feb 11, 2021 01:36
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Feb 11, 2021 01:42
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bees x1000 posted:Isayama is clearly a Cambria Sword fan Whoa, that reminds me of Taito's Darius. Gonna get it!
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Feb 11, 2021 09:11
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Bleck posted:how long until we're allowed to acknowledge that if this is how it actually ends then the series has flipped all the way back around to jingoism I mean have you actually read any of this?
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ETURNA posted:Whoa, that reminds me of Taito's Darius. Gonna get it! the dev says he was going more for BioHazard Battle
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bees x1000 posted:the dev says he was going more for BioHazard Battle I can see that. Haven't played it though.
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serious gaylord posted:I mean have you actually read any of this? I sure did just read the past forty pages of all of the military children banding together and using their military training to kill a guy with a nuke
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Feb 13, 2021 01:35
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Bleck posted:I sure did just read the past forty pages of all of the military children banding together and using their military training to kill a guy with a nuke Do you know what "jingoism" means, because it's not that, and in fact the opposite of what the group fighting against Eren are fighting for.
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something tells me that "the only thing that can prevent total annihilation is having a skilled team of military kids" is not the Anti-War message you think it is
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"... and so you see, antifascism is categorically no different from fascism!"
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Bleck posted:I sure did just read the past forty pages of all of the military children banding together and using their military training to kill a guy with a nuke Are you being for real right now or...? Like do you know what the word jingoism actually means? In case you don't here's a quick google search definition for you. " extreme patriotism, especially in the form of aggressive or warlike foreign policy." Now I want you to apply that to a group of people who are acting against what would arguably be in their countries best interest, trying to save everyone regardless of their nationality and you tell me when that starts applying to the above definition.
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Asuron posted:trying to save everyone Bleck posted:something tells me that "the only thing that can prevent total annihilation is having a skilled team of military kids" is not the Anti-War message you think it is
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Bleck posted:something tells me that "the only thing that can prevent total annihilation is having a skilled team of military kids" is not the Anti-War message you think it is So is your issue with shonen having young characters, in general? Like I don't get it. However that still doesn't answer the question of how in the world the anti-Yagerists banding together to defeat Eren is jingoistic
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still not jingoist or necessarily pro war
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Saagonsa posted:So is your issue with shonen having young characters, in general? Like I don't get it. here let me use as few words as possible: military, bad media where military good, bad
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Bleck posted:here let me use as few words as possible: Oh so it's just the same old "You can't make a truly anti-war movie" thing, which like, sure I guess if that's the stance you want to take. In that case though I don't know why you ever thought anything else about it.
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Alos the entire military command of both sides are dead and the last 2 members bonded over their common humanity before dying. I just dont see how you can interpret this as being pro war
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Okay, we can debate that, but you're using "nationalism" and "jingoism" in weird ways and that is the sticking point for a lot of the people in this conversation.
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Bleck posted:here let me use as few words as possible: That doesn't make something jingoistic you understand that right? I literally gave you the definition of what it was
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I mean, if you want to criticize the pro-military stance AoT appears to be taking, why can't you just say "militarism?' "Militarism" would actually describe what you seem to be complaining about!
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