|
Gaz-L posted:Roseanne and Married With Children would be the closest to the 'suburban family' sitcom thing they're aiming for, and that is a very different tone to Family Ties or Full House, but it's also much less focused on young kids. Otherwise the 90s tends to be much more 'single friends living it up in the city', a la Friends, Seinfeld or Frasier. I mean, there's also Fresh Prince or the Cosby Show, but well, aside from the cultural appropriation aspect, the former has the whole 'have vs have not' fish out of water element which doesn't fit the setting, and well... the latter has OTHER issues. They coulda done, like, a Boy Meets World/Blossom/Clarissa Explains it All kinda vibe if they wanted to focus largely on the kids. I guess you can say the 90s era shows were more focused on pushing boundaries/being wacky/EDGY, like you mention with the comparison between Roseanne & Married with Children vs Family Ties or Full House. Either through shows being sorta surreal & goofy, pushing cultural limits, or showing more family dysfunction. Less of a "we'll make it if we got each other" and more of a "life is unfair, you're not the boss of me now" vibe. But then they kinda hit that tone anyway so it's hard to get really disappointed, for me. And a lot of the subtle poo poo was GREAT, go back and watch it again. The loving music cues were incredible. It's just hard for the tone to stand out as much because such a big part of what defines this era is backing away from the manufactured, idealized reality, and embracing a bit more naturalism. "Unfiltered" isn't a very impactful filter.
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 22:27
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 27, 2024 16:57 |
|
|
Are they gonna do 2 Broke Girls next episode?
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 22:33
|
|
|
Its Rinaldo posted:Are they gonna do 2 Broke Girls next episode? The two other sitcoms they've mentioned in interviews are the Office and Modern Family. I wouldn't be shocked to see that as just one episode. I realized that one theory that started to spread more after last night seems less likely after thinking about it. This probably doesn't end with the world being changed House of M style. Spider-Man Far From Home takes place after WandaVision.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 22:41
|
|
|
Combat Pretzel posted:Just started to watch the latest episode. I sure hope that incompetent gung-ho boss trope is gonna have an actual point. Its funny, the stuff outside the bubble had more tropes than the supposed sitcom inside. Rolling my eyes at Darcy becoming a super hacker (was she in the movies), and them knocking out the soldiers just perfectly.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 22:43
|
|
|
XboxPants posted:They coulda done, like, a Boy Meets World/Blossom/Clarissa Explains it All kinda vibe if they wanted to focus largely on the kids. I guess you can say the 90s era shows were more focused on pushing boundaries/being wacky/EDGY, like you mention with the comparison between Roseanne & Married with Children vs Family Ties or Full House. Either through shows being sorta surreal & goofy, pushing cultural limits, or showing more family dysfunction. Less of a "we'll make it if we got each other" and more of a "life is unfair, you're not the boss of me now" vibe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8y8Ziwswe0?
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 22:46
|
|
|
Shageletic posted:Rolling my eyes at Darcy becoming a super hacker (was she in the movies),
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 22:49
|
|
|
Shageletic posted:Its funny, the stuff outside the bubble had more tropes than the supposed sitcom inside. Rolling my eyes at Darcy becoming a super hacker (was she in the movies), and them knocking out the soldiers just perfectly. Donezo!  like poo poo you coulda just tossed her into the hex with no changes needed
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 22:49
|
|
|
Son of a Vondruke! posted:Am I the only one pessimistic enough to think this whole Pietro thing isn't going to lead to anything? I'm betting it will turn out to be just what it appears on the surface. The same character from Avengers coupled with a cute joke about sitcoms recasting actors. People here have a lot of cool theories, but I'm guessing whatever Marvel actually does isn't going to be nearly as good. Ditto with Monica's engineer friend. I just get the feeling that Wandavision wasn't intended to be this big a deal. Covid 19 turned the whole world on it's head, and due to being the only one ready to release, Wandavision got thrust into the spotlight. I hope I'm wrong and something cool like mutants or the fantastic four comes from this, but I just don't see it. I just hope they tell a good story. Couldn't give a rat's rear end about crossovers or bringing in new characters or whatever the gently caress.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 22:51
|
|
|
STAC Goat posted:In Thor she's a political science major who doesn't know what's going on. In Thor 2 I think they imply that she's actually been learning from Jane between films but she's not in a lot of it. Its been like 10 years since then so really she could become accomplished at just about anything over that span of time. She could have shown up as an rear end kicking spy and my response would have been "that's kinda weird but I dunno what's she's been doing for the last decade." yeah that's what dennings said in something i saw her on, just like yeah after seeing everything that happened with jane foster, she probably changed her major and plans
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 22:51
|
|
|
Monica was apparently already a top-level SWORD agent before the snap, and Jimmy Woo in the comics is basically Asian-American James Bond. (Yes, I know he was a dorkus in Ant-Man 2, shut up)
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 22:51
|
|
|
Desperado Bones posted:Yeah, indeed. I think she got the "twin sensing the other twin dying because magical twin bond" trope. At this point I think Wanda being able to sense death or extreme pain in a close genetic relation is part of her power set in the MCU because it was Billy, pointedly not Wanda, who sensed that Vision was dying beyond the boundary of the Hex. Although how synthezoids pass on genes is a whole other can of worms.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 22:55
|
|
|
Timeless Appeal posted:I'm surprised people thought that the MiTM stuff didn't work for them. It was extremely on point for me. Like the other episodes were cute, but had to be pretty broad. This one had to work more stylistically and I thought the camera work, the music, and some of the jokes were perfect. They absolutely nailed the visual aesthetic and camerawork but the tone and content was nowhere near - especially the very bad opening credits.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 22:55
|
|
|
Its Rinaldo posted:Are they gonna do 2 Broke Girls next episode? They had the perfect opportunity this episode, Darcy just looks at the approaching hex wall, down at the handcuffs. "Well, this isn't the worst situation I've ever been in while handcuffed".
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 22:58
|
|
|
My theory is Mephisto is Agnes's husband Ralph.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 23:00
|
|
|
eke out posted:yeah that's what dennings said in something i saw her on, just like yeah after seeing everything that happened with jane foster, she probably changed her major and plans Yeah, it seems entirely plausible that given her experiences with Thor and Asgardians, relationship with two of the leading most astrophysicists on the planet, and inevitable association with SHIELD that her life path would shift in that direction and 10 years later she'd be an expert herself. Its at least as plausible as the idea that she should be the same person she was 10 years ago. Ultimately if you're bringing back a side character who hasn't been used in 8 years whatever you do is gonna feel a little forced because we missed a lot of her story. I'm waiting for a conversation that goes: Darby: You know Captain Marvel? Monica: Yeah, she and my mom were real close. She was like a big sister to me. Darby: That's so cool. I used to hang out with Thor. He dated my old boss. Jimmy:.. I know Ant-Man.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 23:11
|
|
|
STAC Goat posted:Yeah, it seems entirely plausible that given her experiences with Thor and Asgardians, relationship with two of the leading most astrophysicists on the planet, and inevitable association with SHIELD that her life path would shift in that direction and 10 years later she'd be an expert herself. Its at least as plausible as the idea that she should be the same person she was 10 years ago. Ultimately if you're bringing back a side character who hasn't been used in 8 years whatever you do is gonna feel a little forced because we missed a lot of her story. Darcy:What about the Wasp? She seems cool. Jimmy:... no.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 23:17
|
|
|
Next episode is just a 30 minute montage of pietro zooming around rescuing the whole town from the expanding hex in increasingly silly ways.
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 23:19
|
|
|
Supercar Gautier posted:Next episode is just a 30 minute montage of pietro zooming around rescuing the whole town from the expanding hex in increasingly silly ways. assuming that last zap wasn't terminal
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 23:22
|
|
|
stev posted:They absolutely nailed the visual aesthetic and camerawork but the tone and content was nowhere near - especially the very bad opening credits. never watched MitM aside from a few clips here and there, but what was bad about the credits? I looked up MitM's intro and it didn't do the whole "shaky-cam following characters around the house at high speed" thing, I guess that was either original for WandaVision or a riff on some other sitcom opening I don't recallad anyway, I'm glad they skipped over most of the 90s and didn't do another multi-camera sitcom episode. would have been too stylistically repetitive IMO
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 23:27
|
|
|
Gaz-L posted:Monica was apparently already a top-level SWORD agent before the snap, and Jimmy Woo in the comics is basically Asian-American James Bond. (Yes, I know he was a dorkus in Ant-Man 2, shut up) I really, really like the idea of goofball Jimmy Woo also being a total badass, but I have a thing for Zenigata/Lupin style relationships where the criminal keeps eluding the detective not because the detective is an idiot, but because the criminal is just that good it's that kind of pro wrestling logic where, when we the audience discover Woo is actually really loving good at his job when he's not being a dork, it makes Scott Lang look even cooler for outwitting him Lunatic Sledge fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Feb 12, 2021 |
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 23:32
|
|
|
Supercar Gautier posted:Next episode is just a 30 minute montage of pietro zooming around rescuing the whole town from the expanding hex in increasingly silly ways. Big missed opportunity if they don't do a X-men-style slo-mo scene with Quicksilver. It's like 90% of the reason everyone likes his version of the character so much
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 23:33
|
|
|
OldSenileGuy posted:Big missed opportunity if they don't do a X-men-style slo-mo scene with Quicksilver. It's like 90% of the reason everyone likes his version of the character so much They might do one with Tommy instead
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 23:35
|
|
|
Shageletic posted:Its funny, the stuff outside the bubble had more tropes than the supposed sitcom inside. Rolling my eyes at Darcy becoming a super hacker (was she in the movies), and them knocking out the soldiers just perfectly. She's a political science major who interned with an environmental science team
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 23:38
|
|
|
Lunatic Sledge posted:it's that kind of pro wrestling logic where, when we the audience discover Woo is actually really loving good at his job when he's not being a dork, it makes Scott Lang look even cooler for outwitting him Woorange Cassidy
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 23:47
|
|
|
Gavok posted:Woorange Cassidy he just wants to learn card tricks and hang out but if pressed, he will unravel the poo poo out of your conspiracy
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 23:52
|
|
|
Barry Convex posted:never watched MitM aside from a few clips here and there, but what was bad about the credits? I looked up MitM's intro and it didn't do the whole "shaky-cam following characters around the house at high speed" thing, I guess that was either original for WandaVision or a riff on some other sitcom opening I don't recallad More the song than the credits themselves. It's like they heard precisely one song from a Nickelodeon ad in the early 2000s and thought "yes we can do that".
|
|
#
?
Feb 12, 2021 23:58
|
|
|
I kind of agree that MitM is an odd choice for the 90s (since I also relate it more to the early 2000s), but I also think that the more iconic 90s sitcoms wouldn't fit the series. Married With Children is pretty iconic, but it would be too jarring if the neighborhood watch turned into proto-MRAs or if the series focused on down on his luck Pietro moving in with richer relatives like The Nanny or The Fresh Prince, it just wouldn't fit.
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:12
|
|
|
The World Inferno posted:pspoiler[ Does there really have to be only one "bad guy?" Like in some post-apocalypse game/movie, the President who lost his poo poo, started WWIII and now runs what's left of "civilization" from his bunker is clearly "the evil one." But the guys on the outside of that area who look around, see no authority present and say, "Hey fellas, you know what this place needs? Some rape gangs" are not the "good guys" either. Even with Wanda as the main "bad guy" there's plenty of room for "opportunistic infections" to take advantage of what's happened and perhaps subtly push her to keep going or expand so they can keep getting whatever it is that they're getting out of this.
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:20
|
|
|
stev posted:More the song than the credits themselves. It's like they heard precisely one song from a Nickelodeon ad in the early 2000s and thought "yes we can do that". Yeah, they really should have called in They Might be Giants
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:22
|
|
|
Yeah, I feel like we're not really gonna get one official big bad guy. My theory is Wanda will bear some responsibility, Agnes will bear some, SWORD will bear some, and maybe at the very end of the series they'll tease Mephisto or something as having been the force behind all of it but not one they fight.
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:24
|
|
|
Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, they really should have called in They Might be Giants This is all going to be resolved by sapphire bullets of pure love
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:26
|
|
|
Azhais posted:This is all going to be resolved by sapphire bullets of pure love Wanda and Vision do a Love Love Tenkyoken? So Mephisto will be in it!
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:29
|
|
|
Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, they really should have called in They Might be Giants A: The song this week was sung by Kathleen Hanna of Bikini Kill. B: The songs this week and last are much more indicative of the larger plot if you listen to the lyrics.
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:34
|
|
|
if woo does not try to call antman for some espionage duty now they know hayward is up to something shady, i will be disappointed in the missed opportunity
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:34
|
|
|
Splash Attack posted:if woo does not try to call antman for some espionage duty now they know hayward is up to something shady, i will be disappointed in the missed opportunity I will accept Michael Pena singing a bad parody of The Greatest American Hero theme as their office voicemail message, a la George Constanza.
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:38
|
|
|
Wouldn't mind a clip show of a bunch of stuff we didn't see in different episodes ala Community.
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:40
|
|
|
Splash Attack posted:if woo does not try to call antman for some espionage duty now they know hayward is up to something shady, i will be disappointed in the missed opportunity Woo: Huh. That was weird. Monica: What was? Woo: Well, I was right in the middle of asking Scott to come here and do some highly illegal espionage on SWORD, a top-secret government agency. You know, stuff that could get him sent to a CIA Black Site for the rest of his life, when he just said "Not it." and hung up on me.
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:43
|
|
|
So here's my thought. What Kat Dennings is looking at might be that Quicksilver was brought from another dimension deliberately to enter the simulation and ask her questions. Similar to Jake Gyllenhall in Far From Home. It definitely doesn't feel like he's being controlled. And it definitely feels like it's not Wanda on her own doing this.
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:44
|
|
|
Better yet, Jimmy says he knows a guy, the scene zooms in on an ant on a nearby tree... and cut to them talking to an 8 foot talking gorilla. "Ken, buddy, missed you at softball last season, how's the missus?"
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:45
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 27, 2024 16:57 |
|
|
Space Cadet Omoly posted:Yeah, they really should have called in They Might be Giants Quicksilver was Aaron Taylor-Johnson Now he's Evan Peters not Aaron Taylor-Johnson Been a long time gone since Aaron Taylor-Johnson Now on Disney+, which will have Moon Knight Every twin of Aaron Taylor-Johnson Lives with Evan Peters, not Aaron Taylor-Johnson So if you throw a hex at Aaron Taylor-Johnson You'll be knocking back Evan Peters Even Ruffalo was once the Fight Club guy Why recast him? I can't say Spinoffs are much more better that way!
|
|
#
?
Feb 13, 2021 00:45
|
|