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Nitrousoxide posted:I think User0015 spent a little bit too much time in the whale mist I'm pretty much in the same boat now, having just caught up on the current season. I felt lost a bunch of times in part 1 and again in part 2, most recently when Regulus showed up in the flashback and he seemed really familiar but I couldn't remember why. So then I also couldn't remember if Pandora was previously seen or not. One of the biggest issues for me is all the related terms like witches, archbishops, apostles, other cultists, witch factors, authorities... multiply that by 7 (9?) and it's a ton of titles being thrown around, with just as many characters and motivations to keep track of over long breaks between seasons. Like even just considering a single sin like greed, you've got apostles that are unaffiliated with the archbishop, related characters like Roswaal and Beatrice who are unaffiliated with both, the witch herself, and all of them seem to have different goals... getting hard to wrap my head around. But don't try to google anything or you'll probably be spoiled for the next 3 seasons! Anyway. I like this show, and I'd like it a lot more if I could keep everything straight. edit: Welp, what a way to start a page.
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I think most of the terminology is clearer in the LNs where Subaru can either ruminate on a given term for a hot second or even ask for clarification, something that gets lost at times with the show adaption. I didn't understand the "apostles of Greed" in the first half of S2 but having just gone through the books equivalent to that part it wasn't complicated at all, it just wasn't described very well. Forgetting Regulus is funny just because he's literally the conflict that kicks off the entire season.
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Feb 10, 2021 23:28
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So, is Emelia having access to that key supposed to be something that we know the reason for at this point? Have I missed something or is this going to be expanded on later, I presume the latter because Pandora said she would be back for it? With a name like Pandora one has to assume that she will get to open her box at some point here.
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Feb 11, 2021 03:36
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Feb 11, 2021 03:36
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Nitrousoxide posted:So, is Emelia having access to that key supposed to be something that we know the reason for at this point? Have I missed something or is this going to be expanded on later, I presume the latter because Pandora said she would be back for it? We know she has a connection to Satella, who I am assuming is what is sealed away by the scary looking door. I just figured her being the key master had to do with that.
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Grouchio posted:A very spoilery OP mind you! Nothing's a spoiler when you don't know what's going on.
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Feb 11, 2021 03:58
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That was a nice flashback, but it would have been nice if it actually explained anything that occurred in it. I wonder if Echinda and Pandora are related in any way. I think they are the only characters who have those insanely bushy eyelashes.
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Nate RFB posted:
This is also kind of funny cause when I read the first part of Arc 4 in the Web Novel Regulus is literally described as someone with a plain and forgettable appearance.
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Feb 11, 2021 04:02
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This witch seems like they're so powerful they'd be impossible to defeat.
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Feb 11, 2021 05:53
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Yawgmoft posted:This witch seems like they're so powerful they'd be impossible to defeat. They seem impossible to kill, but she does not seem to really have any offensive power. I am betting the power has some sort of limit or weakness as well.
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Feb 11, 2021 06:07
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Speculation: Since she's the Witch of Vanity. So her powers must have something to do with how people see themselves or others. Which probables makes it powerful, but also very limited once you figure out the rules, ala Jojo Stands. I also imagine her nature as basically a Fey like being means she probably, much like Echidna, cannot act contrary to her nature, even if it is to her disadvantage and vice versa.
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Feb 11, 2021 06:16
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MonsterEnvy posted:They seem impossible to kill, but she does not seem to really have any offensive power. I am betting the power has some sort of limit or weakness as well. Didn't she ground pound regulus?
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Feb 11, 2021 08:42
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Nitrousoxide posted:Didn't she ground pound regulus? She pushed him into the ground, but it did not hurt him or anything. (Nothing he got hit with hurt him, but he was able to be moved when he was hit and did not expect it.)
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Feb 11, 2021 09:31
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Emelia has really won me over with this episode. Her resolve makes me want to root for her. Also Pandora must have limits. No way if she wanted the key that badly that she wouldn’t have just forced Emelia to open the gate. It could be like some fundamental force or rule that prevents her from doing what she wants. Also drat what a twisted monster gaslighting Betelgeuse into becoming another tool for her own ends.
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Feb 11, 2021 09:37
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Annointed posted:Pandora must have limits. No way if she wanted the key that badly that she wouldn’t have just forced Emelia to open the gate. It could be like some fundamental force or rule that prevents her from doing what she wants. Also drat what a twisted monster gaslighting Betelgeuse into becoming another tool for her own ends. Either you or I are misunderstanding the mechanics of the key here because I had a completely different interpretation of why Pandora doesn't open the door herself. I thought she genuinely couldn't, but not because of any mythical thing binding her, rather, it's the fact that Emilia is the only one that can do it. The key isn't invisible - it has no physical form. The only one that can create and interact with it is Emilia. There's no way to force her to open the door, because you can't just steal the key that exists for one person alone. Pandora tried everything in her power to convince Emilia (twisted as every single method was) because that was the one and only way to get what she wanted. And once it was clear she couldn't do anything, she left, making sure Emilia would forget her because otherwise the next time she tried, it'd just be a repeat of this one.
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Feb 11, 2021 13:25
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It's really weird to get all this backstory for Geuse after S1 is long since over. Gonna make the rewatch someday have a lot more weight to that part of it.
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Yeah I've been wondering what exactly the point of getting more Geuse in this backstory is supposed to be. Like none of it is outright bad or anything, but I'm not sure it really deepens my understanding of his character or Emilia's or anyone else's to any significant degree.
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Feb 11, 2021 14:11
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There's also plot (or at least relevant backstory) in this week's Break Time, so don't skip that if you usually do. On Regulus and Pandora: they're puzzle bosses, like 'Guese was. I expect once we know why they don't die when they're killed, neutralising them will be (fairly) straightforward - if that's even something that needs to happen. Speculation: Regulus seems to have two layers of bullshit: some attacks seemed to hit a force-field thing in front of him, but also he regenerated a broken neck when one attack did get through. Pandora's theme is "vanity" so whatever she has probably matches that. Maybe she can't be changed? Would explain why she still looks like a child - she's stuck with whatever form she had when she got the power. It doesn't explain what she did to Regulus, or the mind powers she used on Emilia, but a person can have more than one trick.
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Overlord K posted:It's really weird to get all this backstory for Geuse after S1 is long since over. More about getting us the audience to recontextualize it and feel sad at the tragedy of it all I imagine, because otherwise Geuse would've been helping Emilia instead.
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Feb 11, 2021 16:47
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The Authority of Sloth was also apparently entrusted to Petelgeuse by Flügel, so I suspect we'll be seeing more of him when the story begins to more directly address the matter of the Witch of Envy.
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Feb 11, 2021 20:09
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Brutal Garcon posted:There's also plot (or at least relevant backstory) in this week's Break Time, so don't skip that if you usually do. Where does this stream?
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Kadokawa has it on their youtube channel, and you can check the comments for translation or you can look up a youtuber channel called Hachiman which has a subtitled version.
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LostRook posted:Kadokawa has it on their youtube channel, and you can check the comments for translation or you can look up a youtuber channel called Hachiman which has a subtitled version. Yeah. They show a lot of interesting interactions between the characters that's left out of the series proper. Like last week's gives insight into Beactrice's and Geuse's relationship. It's also super cute.
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I'm not going to spoiler this since I've not read the novels and it's pure speculation from me, but I bet Pandora's power comes from her absolute conviction about the state of the world. You see a bit of it when she sends Regulus off. She simply states that he is, in fact, not here but back at his home, and that simply is the case. Whatever she believes the world to be, IS. So if she believes herself to be whole and unharmed, no matter how much damage is applied to her, she will simply remain unharmed. To defeat her you must convince her that she is injured, killed, or convince her that she is trapped and unable to escape. If she believes it, she will be. It fits with the vice of Vanity as well since it puts he belief about the world above anything else. She becomes the most important being.
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Feb 14, 2021 03:56
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So she's Evil Haruhi? 
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I fully expect to see the Abridged series make a Seto Kaiba reference with her, where her ability is "Screw the rules I have money" and defeating her requires making her run out of money.Tuxedo Catfish posted:So she's Evil Haruhi? I prefer to subscribe to the theory that it was Kyon the entire time 
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Raenir Salazar posted:I fully expect to see the Abridged series make a Seto Kaiba reference with her, where her ability is "Screw the rules I have money" and defeating her requires making her run out of money. Oh god. There's an abridged series? 
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AlternateNu posted:Oh god. There's an abridged series? I just assume there is one, I don't actually know! 
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Raenir Salazar posted:I fully expect to see the Abridged series make a Seto Kaiba reference with her, where her ability is "Screw the rules I have money" and defeating her requires making her run out of money. Seeing as her sin is vain glory, i guessing its more "Screw the rules Im sexy."
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Kung Food posted:Seeing as her sin is vain glory, i guessing its more "Screw the rules Im sexy." As an interesting aside and minor nitpick, the Witches aren't exactly what their vices imply as we've already seen! So Pandora's "portfolio" so to speak is also not exactly what it seems at face value just like Wrath, etc. Although Gluttony is about right.
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I just want to know why echidna and Emilia don't get along ... Sob
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Feb 14, 2021 16:49
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Satalla killed Echidna and she looks just like Satalla
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Feb 14, 2021 16:54
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Nitrousoxide posted:Satalla killed Echidna and she looks just like Satalla And she thinks Emilia's the reason she can't get in on the Subaru train.
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Rudoku posted:And she thinks Emilia's the reason she can't get in on the Subaru train. I imagine Echidna could easily get on the train as long as she wasn't evil about it. 
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Feb 14, 2021 17:12
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Raenir Salazar posted:I imagine Echidna could easily get on the train as long as she wasn't evil about it.
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Grouchio posted:She is not evil as much as her worldview is incompatible with Subaru's at the end of the day. Relationships are about compromise 
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Feb 14, 2021 17:48
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Was Hector voiced by Shinichiro Miki? Certainly sounded like him.
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Nate RFB posted:Was Hector voiced by Shinichiro Miki? Certainly sounded like him. 
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Roswaal sure put heavy emphasis on doing his thing for Echidna for 400 years. -e- Nate RFB posted:Was Hector voiced by Shinichiro Miki? Certainly sounded like him. It's Jun'ichi Suwabe. -e2- Echidna stole Dio's first kiss! Lurking Haro fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Feb 17, 2021 |
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Hector had the same sort of lilt to his voice that modern Roswell has.
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